Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[Something_Smart]

Even if thats the case it doesnt harm vft to claim doc

I mean, except that they don't get the benefit of this argument you're currently making.

[Critter]

dude theyd know who the protective is and theyd just kill them
Think before you post

Already said that and in that case scum don’t try to PR fish.

[StrangeMatter]

Scum-Venus doesnt claim a pr to draw ccs because..?

I mean obviously i would claim pr here as scum to draw the cc ...

I'm not getting flipped because i'm scum, or even because a majority of people in this pl think i'm scum

I'm getting flipped because lld got it in her brain that i'm scum and its a ridiculously easy position for scum to sheep (and just noting, again, that *this* is the wagon that's getting sheeped, and not dunn or bears)

Most of the people voting me dont even think i'm scum

Gamma Emerald
Towelie (hydra of borkjerfkin and notscience)
MUSHSHAGANA
E. M. M. I.
Milk & Mocha (hydra of PookyTheMagicalBear and Noraa)
Venus Fly Trap (hydra of skitter30 and lilith2013)
Dunnstral
Wisdom
Lady Lambdadelta
Something_Smart
Critter
StrangeMatter
ssbm_Kyouko Toogeloo

Town: lld, Wisdom, critter
Townlean: towelie, ssbm
Idk/in the middle: gamma, dunn
Scumlean: mm, ss, strangematter, mush
Ss: emmi

Largely the same as before, except towelie has gone up, and mush and dunn have gone down

After i flip i'd start by looking at the votes on wagon, in particular mush and dunn's

These are my reads, and where i think u ought to look tom

I'll be around more after work, if i'm not flipped yet

Excuse me, why is Wisdom town to you?

[Critter]

Even if thats the case it doesnt harm vft to claim doc

I mean, except that they don't get the benefit of this argument you're currently making.

Yep that.

Giving VFT 1 hour more or less or anyone before hammer

[Critter]

Even if thats the case it doesnt harm vft to claim doc

I mean, except that they don't get the benefit of this argument you're currently making.

Yep that.

Giving VFT 1 hour more or less or anyone before hammer

[Wisdom]

my argument is not bad but youre about to hammer town so i dont care to convince you further

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Morning everyone. After last night, when I found in a brief scan that my reasons to scumread VFT were INCORRECT AND FALSE (if we lim all liars, start with my memory!), I still found my head going "so, scum still." And I could not figure it out. More experienced players are less likely to collapse in defeat after a strong push, that's a noob-town-tell, so its absence is expected and NAI. VFT has been rather single-minded in terms of engagement (which I find weird for a hydra especially) but that feels town-ish if it's AI at all. There's nothing else there that could lead me to that conclusion from VFT's corner.

So I stepped back a bit and looked at what other players are doing around VFT -- this is risky, but it clearly isn't anything VFT is doing getting me a scumread on their corner, so where's it coming from? Well, I think I figured it out. I think my read on scum is coming from the wagon trajectory. It stalls out and backfires at the exact point I'd expect it to if the wagon was on decent scum in a 13p game. And THAT isn't coming from memory, I checked: it's hovered at about 5 since LLD dropped the initial push -- despite a lot of promises to jump on board from off-wagon for a while now.

That has a pretty decent track record for spotting scum in my personal experience -- at least twice in Death Curse (looked into it), once in a newbie game I played (ditto), and I feel like I've seen it before in games from off-site or other games I wasn't playing in on-site (this is the faulty memory talking, take with salt). I think it MIGHT have been brought up by people here in this thread before me, but I think they were more pointing at the off-wagon pushers and the stallers than at VFT, where when I checked in on where this would land, I found the red flashing over VFT.

Maybe (? I don't know) that's what caught my attention before, and I just forgot about it but confbiased my way to reading VFT as scum for their actions (as opposed to how others are acting on their wagon) because the feeling was unshakable and unplaceable (presumably true because that's how it felt this morning) and I had low focus and low energy to invest in the game (def true). Hard to say, I'm speculating on my own fucking motivations which can't end well for anyone, but that's where I'm at now that I have a clear head, there's no distractions in the game thread and I've had time to really interrogate myself and my feelings on the gamestate.

[Critter]

This is the first argument for VFT scum that I actually agree with.

Just giving people a chance to get last thoughts in

[Wisdom]

confbiased my way to reading VFT as scum

The only accurate thing in your post

[Critter]

Even if thats the case it doesnt harm vft to claim doc

I mean, except that they don't get the benefit of this argument you're currently making.

Yep that.

Giving VFT 1 hour more or less or anyone before hammer

Just curious; how popular is/was Mountain Dew DEW*S*A?

It was one of the last ones I tried before I started calorie counting and i really liked it. It was like sparkling berry, reminded me a little of whiteout which I guess makes sense because it was a mixture of whiteout code red and voltage

Remember this if day ends when I am afk

VOTE: VFT

[Cabd]

Driving. Flip upon getting home.

[Cabd]

Vote Count 1-21 (Final)

Time for the Holiday flavors! I am masochistic enough to try the gingerbread one that is shipping out now.

Venus Fly Trap (7): Lady Lamdadelta, Gamma Emerald, Dunnstral, MUSHSHAGANA, Something_Smart, Towelie, Critter

E. M. M. I. (2): Venus Fly Trap, Milk & Mocha
Something_Smart (2): Wisdom, ssbm_Kyouko
Wisdom (1): StrangeMatter



Not Voting (1): E. M. M. I.

With 13 players alive, it took 7 votes to eliminate a flavor.

Current Deadline: (expired on 2021-11-02 20:02:57)

E. M. M. I. is currently V/LA

[Cabd]

Venus Fly Trap,

Sprite the Mafia Goon,

was sent to no-caffine jail (eliminated) day one.

Night one begins now and will last for 48 hours: (expired on 2021-11-03 20:01:42)

[Cabd]

Something_Smart,

Pitch Black the Town Compulsive 1-shot Weak Hider,

was too grape to exist amongst you peons so shuffled off to the dead thread.

Lady Lamdadelta,

Diet Dew the Town Macho Activated Innocent Child,

decided to follow a new fad.

[Cabd]

Vote Count 2-1

Sadly, the Jewel I went to today didn't yet stock new flavors. So I picked up a ton of Code Red to cope.

Not Voting (10): Everyone

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to eliminate a flavor.

Current Deadline: (expired on 2021-11-13 20:35:30)

E. M. M. I. is currently V/LA

[Towelie]

VOTE: wisdom

-b

[Towelie]

Embracing my inner cab and using voice to text. It is pretty clearly wisdom from something smart and the other buddy is a very bad bear

[Critter]

I can vibe a Wisdom vote.

VOTE: Wisdom

Shocked not dead tbh

[Dunnstral]

So what do you think this indicates for Critter then? I did assume you were TRing him because of this post, because if that's what I thought was happening, I would TR him for it:

Huh, that's interesting. To me it seems clearly like something that can happen to town or scum. My main point with the post was just that hiding behind the alt was ineffective and it was responsible for some of his problems this game.

[Critter]

Time to figure out who Smart hid behind because it’s doubtful he picked LLD

[Towelie]

Time to figure out who Smart hid behind because it’s doubtful he picked LLD

VOTE: wisdom

-b

[Critter]

So what do you think this indicates for Critter then? I did assume you were TRing him because of this post, because if that's what I thought was happening, I would TR him for it:

Huh, that's interesting. To me it seems clearly like something that can happen to town or scum. My main point with the post was just that hiding behind the alt was ineffective and it was responsible for some of his problems this game.

Ah so you are arguing me. Alas I can assure you that’s not possible as I am provable town so…

[Towelie]

He clearly Targeted Wisdom stop being dumb.

[Critter]

He clearly Targeted Wisdom stop being dumb.

I am voting Wisdom.
I was countering Dunn’s suggestion.

[Towelie]

Home now can actually post stuff

I am good copping notty to knock the snark off Critter, we got scum to kill

I don't really get Wisdom's reads this game. I have a lot of respect for him, and I basically sheeped him to victory in 8-ball, but they don't really feel satisfying.

That said, after 8-ball, he's firmly in my "never exe D1" box.

I think you can do a reads wall/list and keep the nuance. Please.

Okay, I guess...
ssbm_Kyouko
Critter, MUSHSHAGANA
Everyone else
Wisdom

If that isn't satisfying, well, I told you so.

I would love it. Even if it’s just me. Because more sorts.

All right, here goes:

Gamma Emerald
Towelie
MUSHSHAGANA
E. M. M. I.
Milk & Mocha
Venus Fly Trap
Dunnstral
Critter
StrangeMatter
ssbm_Kyouko

The existence of these posts just heavily, heavily point to wisdom as the hidee (especially the last one, a scum read he specifically didn't want elimmed that day. hmmmmmmm)

-b