Open 833: Twin Trap [Postgame]

[Noraa]

ok lets say its elo and theres a townie who's been waffley on you slot. You could get their vote or you could make them a mislim. What do you do and why?

[NorwegianboyEE]

ok lets say its elo and theres a townie who's been waffley on you slot. You could get their vote or you could make them a mislim. What do you do and why?

Again, i think the context matters.
But i guess i'm a bit more pockety as scum so try to get them on my side maybe.

[Noraa]

Hm ok that wasn't satisfying but I'm ok with the answer I guess.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean i'm not a frigging genius when it comes to playing as scum, most of the time i'd be happy with myself if i could do just the basics without being seen straight through.
Anyway what was the point in that? Did it help you read me somehow?

[Noraa]

No not really I just wanted to know if my suspicion on Fenny's opening post meant anything. Seeing different perspectives helps. I just wanted to see what you'd say given you dont know what exactly I'm getting at.

My opinion is basically just that his opening posts were very scummy in the sense that it's like oh maybe noraa is town which TRs often lead to a TR back. But then I also find his recent post scummy because it looks opportunistic. So now I'm worried because I dont want to be a mislim but I also dont want to cause a mislim because either one ends up losing town the game which I've done too many times.

[Tamora's Angel]

I'm not gonna vote, but i do lean more on the side of Vulture being town here than Noraa.

I feel the same strategically but disagree with the conclusion.

I'd like to hear STD chime in.

You’re gonna have to explain what that means champ.

I agree not voting is good but I think Noraa is town.

[Tamora's Angel]

I'm thinking STD and Vulture here. I feel pretty strongly here.

STD Noraa doesn't make any sense.

I don't see how STD is town here.

[Noraa]

Well I am thinking about if it's Fenny/Vulture or Norwee/Vulture. Either is possible but Vulture is confirmed scum right now.

I just poked at Fenny and there was no reaction. What this tells me is that it definitely cannot be Norwee/Fenny because even if scum were being sly and wanted to see if town could get the mislim through on our own, they would start worrying at this point and just quick hammer. And I'm pretty certain both players are online currently, maybe not checking the game but I feel like the scum pt would be a necessary check especially on an elo day.
Vulture has to be scum here otherwise scum would've hammered me.
If you believe im town, elim vulture with me. VOTE: Vulture Getting the votes may be hard but we lose if we dont get a scum flip today. The flip must be 100% guaranteed and Vulture is a 100% guaranteed scum flip for myself and ANYONE who townreads me. Vulture's flip also conftowns me so I die overnight but that's ok because I have more faith in basically anyone but myself in the grand finale.

Fenny/Vulture would mean the scum team didn't really do a good job with associations. I think this is the most likely but it also just means the scum team was always in a shitty position but managed to get by because of the game's overall deadness.

Fenny/Norwee might lose us the game. I never really understood the Norwee TRs but this could easily lose us the game given how consensus the Norwee TR is.

If its Tamara/anyone, we're all fucked. But I dont think this is ever true. Scum cant make every post sound genuine and curious. I dont think even pooky bear bear can do it.

[catboi]

Vote Count 3.02

Noraa (1):	Vulture
Vulture (1):	Noraa
Not Voting (3):	NorwegianboyEE, Save The Dragons, Tamora's Angel

With 5 alive, it's 3 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 3 is November 9 at 12:00 AM EST. Deadline timer:

(expired on 2021-11-09 00:00:00)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fuck, i’m doubting myself so much now.

[Vulture]

Meh. Game’s lost because of Tamora so.

Noraa just sat there poking around at what someone would theoretically do as scum instead of going back over the game itself and it doesn’t get much more obvious busywork and attempting to fake-solve than that.

[Vulture]

FWIW I ~feel strongly~ it’s Noraa and STD and given that one of those is a radically harder elim than the other, I tried to force it today so tomorrow could be an easy day of voting out STD.

[Vulture]

Work time now.

[Tamora's Angel]

Meh. Game’s lost because of Tamora so.

You act as if I have made up my mind.

I'm tempted to vote STD here just to clear NorwegianboyEE as town.

[Vulture]

When I see “feels strongly” I assume someone’s not changing their mind tbh.

[Vulture]

Like if you’re willing to listen to me: Noraa opened today townreading everyone to get a lay of the land (not pocketing, but keeping slightly on good sides) and then picked someone to try and kill. They’re making posts explaining their view of the game that contradict how they treated redtea’s slot for the sole purpose of pocketing you.

[Vulture]

Also, looks like they were setting up this situation in calling the interactions between me and redtea (that didn’t exist) as TvS and then also calling me the scum in them for illogical reasons (which I was pointing out even then). They had no reason to flip flop on redtea and only outed their “viewpoint” of the game after they were already dead. Defending redtea was strictly to make the argument they don’t do that as scum.

[Save The Dragons]

im worried about getting speed lim'd tomorrow and if that's the case then we've just lost

i think it's just noraa here. VOTE: noraa sorry if this is wrong, i'm in a slump so i wouldn't be surprised if i lose this for town somehow

[Noraa]

Norwee is scum here. Scum dont both vote me here. That's a gambit that's just too fucking risky. It's possible but not likely they would be betting both of their lives on town hammering me and if it fails, they instantly lose tomorrow. Fenny please unvote now otherwise I get hammered and we lose this game right now.

[Noraa]

Fenny. unvote.

[Noraa]

Dude if you dont unvote before Norwee gets here, I'm dead and game over.

[Noraa]

Actually I feel like Norwee hammers me even if he is town. Fuck. Shit.

Ok but would scum pile on me here? Like that's a huge gambit. Agh

[Tamora's Angel]

Conftown me

[Tamora's Angel]

Well only scum w Noraa

[Noraa]

Fenrir fucking unvote now. Norwee isn't online if you're town you need to unvote NOW.