Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[Cabd]

Vote Count 2-2

Okay soda shop style sucked, back to Code Red for the time being.

Wisdom (2): Milk & Mocha, Dunnstral
Dunnstral (1): Wisdom
Critter (1): ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (6): Critter, E. M. M. I., MUSHSHAGANA, Gamma Emerald, StrangeMatter, Towelie

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to eliminate a flavor.

Current Deadline: (expired on 2021-11-13 20:35:30)

E. M. M. I. is currently V/LA

[Dunnstral]

I ctrl + f'd "hid" and that was the only post that showed up

[Critter]

I ctrl + f'd "hid" and that was the only post that showed up

Search function says no match found for his
And doing ctrl +f on this many pages takes time

[Critter]

Hid *

[Dunnstral]

Yeah it’s 100% not critter

I do think it’s in (Dunn, Wisdom) 100% of the time here.

I still think last scum is that bad bad bear.

I've been pushing bears all game pretty much. You should vote for Wisdom if you believe this. Or we can ignore the hider stuff and just get bears today, I'd do that.

Absolutely not we are sorting this first

-b

How about a claim from M&M considering they were weird about their claim earlier and there is no need to try to bait a kill anymore?

[Dunnstral]

ctrl + f on the iso

[Critter]

ctrl + f on the iso

This does check out. You still ping me though

[Critter]

Yeah it’s 100% not critter

I do think it’s in (Dunn, Wisdom) 100% of the time here.

I still think last scum is that bad bad bear.

I've been pushing bears all game pretty much. You should vote for Wisdom if you believe this. Or we can ignore the hider stuff and just get bears today, I'd do that.

Absolutely not we are sorting this first

-b

How about a claim from M&M considering they were weird about their claim earlier and there is no need to try to bait a kill anymore?

I think mass PR vs not PR claim would be good.

[Critter]

I still kinda think Dunn -> Kyo the more Kyo defends Dunn like that. It’s terrible

[Critter]

OK.

We can do different things tomorrow

I can get behind this.

It's quite unfortunate that two people I respect are disagreeing so heavily, but I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow.

Also, I think I agree with the reads here-- I can follow the town reasoning for SM, but Emmi not so much. But of course it's entirely possible LLD sees something I don't.

This could also potentially point to hiding behind Dunnstral: "I can get behind this", but the problem with this as a crumb is he goes on to say "I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow", indicating he's favoring LLD, who doesnt make sense as a target. I feel that if this post were meant as a crumb, it would have been worded more carefully so it could not be misinterpreted. There's even potential here that there's some kind of EMMI crumb toward the end if this post. This post is too unclear to be a crumb, so I'm going to assume it was not one, and "getting behind" something is not a crumb on the same level as "hiding behind" something as a Hider crumb.

This to me is a crumb.

[Dunnstral]

I think mass PR vs not PR claim would be good.

I don't think that helps us, gamma already has his targets, right? This would just make unrelated people claim info for very little gain. Unless you just want to mass claim.

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler:

Yeah reread it again because that post is very clear. I am noting my compromising. Not playing word semantics with you and Kyo.

I just went to your if not Kyo this. Extremely ungrammatical, but I gather that I'm now your second scumread behind Kyo. This seems to have been based on a misunderstanding. Do you retract it?
What do I think you are doing? I obviously don't know, you are either trying to advance town wincon or trying to advance scum wincon. Can you be more specific?
You have been trying to get reads to heatmap. Fair enough, that worked for you before, though I'm skeptical whether it will work here. I'm not sure how that's supposed to help LLD.
You are not tunneling Kyo, thank you, I appreciate it.
I have said several times that it's your town play. Also sounds like a misunderstanding. I had you as leantown a while ago but that's it.

Quoting this because he also says "behind Kyo" here, just to show that it is unfortunate wording rather than an intentional crumb on his part. It's just the way he speaks.

Maybe Im reading too much into it but maybe the omission was so it would be made clearer that it's a crumb.

That doesn't make sense, what he quoted isn't related to hiding or night actions or anything.

This post though

[Critter]

(This is all assuming Wisdom is scum)

Dont get too invested in your planning because Im not scum

Plan still works long as we nail scum

[Critter]

I think mass PR vs not PR claim would be good.

I don't think that helps us, gamma already has his targets, right? This would just make unrelated people claim info for very little gain. Unless you just want to mass claim.

No. I said what I said for a reason

I think since you’re being elimmed he doesn’t have targets and it’s up to him

Then we focus in PRs until Gamma is dead.

When Gamma is dead fair game on everyone and if a scummy player claims PR earlier they have to justify thoughout without advantage of other PR roles known

[Critter]

Spoiler:

Yeah reread it again because that post is very clear. I am noting my compromising. Not playing word semantics with you and Kyo.

I just went to your if not Kyo this. Extremely ungrammatical, but I gather that I'm now your second scumread behind Kyo. This seems to have been based on a misunderstanding. Do you retract it?
What do I think you are doing? I obviously don't know, you are either trying to advance town wincon or trying to advance scum wincon. Can you be more specific?
You have been trying to get reads to heatmap. Fair enough, that worked for you before, though I'm skeptical whether it will work here. I'm not sure how that's supposed to help LLD.
You are not tunneling Kyo, thank you, I appreciate it.
I have said several times that it's your town play. Also sounds like a misunderstanding. I had you as leantown a while ago but that's it.

Quoting this because he also says "behind Kyo" here, just to show that it is unfortunate wording rather than an intentional crumb on his part. It's just the way he speaks.

Maybe Im reading too much into it but maybe the omission was so it would be made clearer that it's a crumb.

That doesn't make sense, what he quoted isn't related to hiding or night actions or anything.

This post though

What about it? I don’t see how that relates and it wasn’t made anywhere near EoD

[Critter]

OK.

We can do different things tomorrow

I can get behind this.

It's quite unfortunate that two people I respect are disagreeing so heavily, but I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow.

Also, I think I agree with the reads here-- I can follow the town reasoning for SM, but Emmi not so much. But of course it's entirely possible LLD sees something I don't.

The way to convince me this isn’t a crumb is to find the better one.

Otherwise the smart play is to elim you and if we are wrong you’re VT so then I die and Gamma gets off another check win win.

[Wisdom]

Unless we lim the blocker I dont think we're getting gamma checks

[Dunnstral]

I think you are under the assumption that being "later" makes it more viable, but I don't believe that is the way S_S operates. I think he sets his crumbs early.

[Dunnstral]

Unless we lim the blocker I dont think we're getting gamma checks

Why?

[Critter]

I think you are under the assumption that being "later" makes it more viable, but I don't believe that is the way S_S operates. I think he sets his crumbs early.

That’s not an incorrect assumption though lol

SS could think I will hide behind Cabd. Crumbs.
Nope Dunnstral better. Crumbs again.

Later is explicitly better

[Critter]

Unless we lim the blocker I dont think we're getting gamma checks

It’s shit like that that makes me want to elim you.

If Dunn flips town elim Wisdom tomorrow no excuses

[Wisdom]

Hey hey I think this will convince you for certain

Subject: Undertale Mafia (Endgame):

It's not a clear crumb. It doesn't mean it's not a starting point. But it's not like "

I could get behind SS

" or "I'll be looking into SS overnight" level clear.

[Critter]

VOTE: Dunn

Yeah I heard enough.

Dunn is good for today and if he flips town go Wisdom

And if Dunn flips scum for the love of all that’s good consider Kyo for that defense of Dunn

[Critter]

OK.

We can do different things tomorrow

I can get behind this.

It's quite unfortunate that two people I respect are disagreeing so heavily, but I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow.

Also, I think I agree with the reads here-- I can follow the town reasoning for SM, but Emmi not so much. But of course it's entirely possible LLD sees something I don't.

This could also potentially point to hiding behind Dunnstral: "I can get behind this", but the problem with this as a crumb is he goes on to say "I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow", indicating he's favoring LLD, who doesnt make sense as a target. I feel that if this post were meant as a crumb, it would have been worded more carefully so it could not be misinterpreted. There's even potential here that there's some kind of EMMI crumb toward the end if this post. This post is too unclear to be a crumb, so I'm going to assume it was not one, and "getting behind" something is not a crumb on the same level as "hiding behind" something as a Hider crumb.

This to me is a crumb.

Like this defense from Kyo is like stretching pasta noodles to the point of breaking badly.

[Towelie]

Hey hey I think this will convince you for certain

Subject: Undertale Mafia (Endgame):

It's not a clear crumb. It doesn't mean it's not a starting point. But it's not like "

I could get behind SS

" or "I'll be looking into SS overnight" level clear.

Yeah i concede

Mea culpa
-b