Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yeah it’s 100% not critter

I do think it’s in (Dunn, Wisdom) 100% of the time here.

I still think last scum is that bad bad bear.

I've been pushing bears all game pretty much. You should vote for Wisdom if you believe this. Or we can ignore the hider stuff and just get bears today, I'd do that.

It's you or critter today and if either of you flip town it's the other tomorrow, barring any other believable crumbs

[Wisdom]

But yeah with the doc claim and no cc I feel like Critter's pretty conftown, so thats another point against that crumb being the one

There's no guarantee a doctor exists in the setup. There are other ways kills can be prevented.

Even if not a doctor it's guaranteed a protective exists. Macho does not affect other preventions such as blocks on the killer. It only stops protectives from working.
Meaning the uncc'd doc claim is truthful and makes critter conftown because we dont have two protectives.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I still kinda think Dunn -> Kyo the more Kyo defends Dunn like that. It’s terrible

Like the way Towelie defends you

[Towelie]

The thing that makes it an explicit focused crumb is the first person pov in there "I could get behind" along with its appearance in the day, neither of which the post about Critter has.

I think if he was crumbing Wisdom he was doing it in a "I'm setting aside this read for the day because I have something special planned".

But at this point I just think the former has more likelihood.

The critter post just seems like nothing to me.

-b

[Towelie]

I still kinda think Dunn -> Kyo the more Kyo defends Dunn like that. It’s terrible

Like the way Towelie defends you

I’ve literally been defending you from him too shut up lmao

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hey hey I think this will convince you for certain

Subject: Undertale Mafia (Endgame):

It's not a clear crumb. It doesn't mean it's not a starting point. But it's not like "

I could get behind SS

" or "I'll be looking into SS overnight" level clear.

okay maybe. UNVOTE:

[ssbm_Kyouko]

there

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is also

2

1 player

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here that

were

was in Undertale who might remember,

Nancy Drew and

Dunnstral were both in hydras in that game it seems

Sorry Noraa, I did it again

[ssbm_Kyouko]

alright I've read now.
VOTE: Dunnstral

If this is red I'll leave Critter alone. If not, he needs to die toMorrow.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also let it be known that if Dunn is a traitor I'm pretty much conf for nabbing that shit in 1687

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I also had a brief thought that S_S may have just thought Dunn makes a good investigation after I luckily caught Dunn on N1 in Isekai (I was setting up to Watch him for a scum killing him on a later night, but my role stipulated I could only Watch players that I had previously Tracked). Maybe S_S drew a similarity to Isekai!Dunn and decided Dunn would make a good target.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I still don't think we should claim PR/Not PR toDay. Eliminate Dunn first, if Gamma is alive tomorrow, wait until Gamma says whether or not he got a result (but not what the result is or who it is on), then we massclaim PR/Not PR. Assuming Gamma was blocked by scum, scum will know whether he has a result or not anyways. No need to reveal to scum who the PRs are before we're even certain that Dunnstral is scum. Critter can still be scum here if Dunn is town.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Should add to 2410 it would be odd for a town roleblocker to have blocked Gamma last night, so it can be assumed if Gamma is town he was blocked by scum, and that scum would be able to block Gamma again toNight if desired.

So that should reinforce we should not be claiming anything toDay.

[Wisdom]

Yep i already said that

[Critter]

That’s hogwash.

Even if we don’t get the roleblocker today they have to do shenanigans in order to get to Gamma and leave me alive another day.
With Dunn being very likely scum this means roleblocker won’t be useful unless multitasking.

So in the rare case gamma doesn’t get his check off we learn a lot

And PR or not informs what is likely the last checj.

You don’t have to say if you’re a PR that activates but PR/not PR should be done

[ssbm_Kyouko]

That’s hogwash.

Even if we don’t get the roleblocker today they have to do shenanigans in order to get to Gamma and leave me alive another day.
With Dunn being very likely scum this means roleblocker won’t be useful unless multitasking.

So in the rare case gamma doesn’t get his check off we learn a lot

And PR or not informs what is likely the last checj.

You don’t have to say if you’re a PR that activates but PR/not PR should be done

Give me a hypothetical where Gamma has a better check than between you and (someone else)? We already have a claim from you so using you as a starting point makes sense

[Critter]

He could.

Or he could check you and M&M like I asked and checks two people in the PoE since he likely has this check or none left.

It’s about optimizing.

If he had limitless checks I would agree check me + someone one at a time.

But we don’t and we know I am a PR so it’s mostly a waste.

[Critter]

So since I am gonna die your way only works if we mass claim to give Gamma cover for his checks.

So like ???

Checking two scummy people better than me + one scummy

[Critter]

alright I've read now.
VOTE: Dunnstral

If this is red I'll leave Critter alone. If not, he needs to die toMorrow.

Like with how much I screamed PR I am surprised I am not dead already.
Be even more surprised if I make it to tomorrow.

[Critter]

Yeah it’s 100% not critter

I do think it’s in (Dunn, Wisdom) 100% of the time here.

I still think last scum is that bad bad bear.

I've been pushing bears all game pretty much. You should vote for Wisdom if you believe this. Or we can ignore the hider stuff and just get bears today, I'd do that.

It's you or critter today and if either of you flip town it's the other tomorrow, barring any other believable crumbs

I get you want to not shoot me but you’re gonna. Just accept it.

[Wisdom]

Kyouko aint scum critter

[Critter]

I get you think that but I mean…

If I go with you town she actively sabotaged the counter wagon pretty hard
Today she’s trying to save Dunn

Then arguing and setting up miselims

What exactly is she town for?

[Critter]

I get she is efforting but effort != town

[StrangeMatter]

I get she is efforting but effort != town

I feel like if someone says effort makes someone town, then that's a very low bar and easily exploitable by scum most of the time.

[Wisdom]

Sm you didn't answer me

[StrangeMatter]

Sm you didn't answer me

I did see that so yes. Though I’m not getting why you brought that up in the first place.