Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

[ulyana]

And in two voting instances just now, you vote differently than what a stated preference was, when this is the optimal time to just work cohesively.

this is just flatly 100% untrue

[ulyana]

I give potential options for ISO and you conflate it with me trying to scumpush you and dismiss me even considering it.

did you do any of it? did you find it unlikely i had a partner? like what are you trying to say?

[ulyana]

i suggested better uses of your time - did you do those either? have you looked at the peta/ydrasse interactions? also why is gamma emerald definitely town so much so that you refuse to even look into them?

[ulyana]

like it’s not like i haven’t said all of this before and it’s not like i’ve received a response that made me go, ah, now i get it

[ulyana]

I gave a table so people can help reach a consensus and when I listed what I believed what you wanted you didn't state it, nor clarified your thoughts or why.

i literally stated my actual preferences, then you changed them to only be three names, thus weighting my opinion less than others, even though it was pretty clear what i wanted, like how is that on me

[ulyana]

I give potential options for ISO and you conflate it with me trying to scumpush you and dismiss me even considering it.

did you do any of it? did you find it unlikely i had a partner? like what are you trying to say?

spoiler - i don’t have a partner, i don’t even really think there is someone you can try to claim is my partner, and yet, still, here we are

[Taly]

I give potential options for ISO and you conflate it with me trying to scumpush you and dismiss me even considering it.

did you do any of it? did you find it unlikely i had a partner? like what are you trying to say?

No. One, I don't have the time at the moment. Two, you were heavily against it and said that trying would be a waste of my time, and implied that me trying would mean that I'm actively trying to scumpaint you. At least, that was my impression of your initial response.

So, I haven't ISO'd anyone yet, and I don't know what your expectations are here.

And in two voting instances just now, you vote differently than what a stated preference was, when this is the optimal time to just work cohesively.

this is just flatly 100% untrue

Do you disagree

Gamma

is consensus to be heaven'd AND that it's good to have as much agreeability here?

i suggested better uses of your time - did you do those either? have you looked at the peta/ydrasse interactions? also why is gamma emerald definitely town so much so that you refuse to even look into them?

No. I must have overlooked your suggestion of looking into

Peta/Ydra

interactions but why them? We both townread

Peta

and are comfortable with him being heaven'd, so what are you looking for?

And I'd reconsider

Gamma

in elo as I have a rule of reconsidering everyone if that were the case. But I don't think scum kingmakes their own and this game is so inconsistent with the emotional tone and trajectory

Gamma

makes on his scumreads in any other game I've faced scum-him.

like it’s not like i haven’t said all of this before and it’s not like i’ve received a response that made me go, ah, now i get it

I don't know what this is towards.

I gave a table so people can help reach a consensus and when I listed what I believed what you wanted you didn't state it, nor clarified your thoughts or why.

i literally stated my actual preferences, then you changed them to only be three names, thus weighting my opinion less than others, even though it was pretty clear what i wanted, like how is that on me

I gave the 3 names that you wanted to Heaven, what did I miss?

I give potential options for ISO and you conflate it with me trying to scumpush you and dismiss me even considering it.

did you do any of it? did you find it unlikely i had a partner? like what are you trying to say?

spoiler - i don’t have a partner, i don’t even really think there is someone you can try to claim is my partner, and yet, still, here we are

I did not say you had a partner. Stop putting words in my mouth. You're projecting that I'm informed and trying to paint a scum narrative on you when I'm literally trying to solidify a townread on you as much as possible because I think your play does have points toward it being town.

I hate that you keep assuming the worst of my intentions.

[ulyana]

I hate that you keep assuming the worst of my intentions.

what am i supposed to assume when you repeatedly make a show out of sorting me specifically, come to the conclusion that i am town, but still try to exclude me from what town should be voted to do, and then go, ‘hm, i am not sure about ulyana’ all over again

[ulyana]

No. One, I don't have the time at the moment. Two, you were heavily against it and said that trying would be a waste of my time, and implied that me trying would mean that I'm actively trying to scumpaint you. At least, that was my impression of your initial response.

because it would be a waste of time because i am town, so it’d just clear me and if that’s what you were trying to do - like you claim, right? good intentions and all - then you could just do so and find I was right that it was a waste of time

like it was super weird to me that you wanted to look into those interactions of mine because a) you had supposedly already looked into sircakez/me, as that was the basis of your scumread of sircakez, and i had recently had very notable interactions with the other two that it felt like you would have to be actively ignoring to not have mentioned when going, ah, should look into this specifically

[ulyana]

Do you disagree Gamma is consensus to be heaven'd AND that it's good to have as much agreeability here?

why would agreeablity be good if i disagree with the consensus how does this even make sense

[ulyana]

No. I must have overlooked your suggestion of looking into Peta/Ydra interactions but why them? We both townread Peta and are comfortable with him being heaven'd, so what are you looking for?

… you said that

you

wanted to look into almost50’s vote count analysis which was largely about this

[ulyana]

No. I must have overlooked your suggestion of looking into Peta/Ydra interactions but why them? We both townread Peta and are comfortable with him being heaven'd, so what are you looking for?

… you said that

you

wanted to look into almost50’s vote count analysis which was largely about this

like is the only part of almost50’s analysis you care about the part pertaining to me? and if so, how am i supposed to assume a ‘good intention’ there

[ulyana]

I gave the 3 names that you wanted to Heaven, what did I miss?

the two that were maybes? like i gave clear list of intentions, you distorted it then asked me if it was correct, i said no

you make no effort to adjust it then later claim i was not working together or whatever by you changing my intentions

[Taly]

I don't have the energy to 1v1 and you brought solid points against me that I've been lacking in my notions to ISO-dive players.

I have a hard time reading you because I don't know what is playstyle V AI for you. I can't tell that your constant insistence your town is frustration or it's meant to discourage people from looking at you more thoroughly. I don't know why you disagree with any current townbloc

(Namely Gamma)

, and I feel that my attempts to bring clarity about my gameplay to you hasn't helped you work with me.

I don't know how to approach your slot.

[ulyana]

I can't tell that your constant insistence your town is frustration or it's meant to discourage people from looking at you more thoroughly.

i am frustrated, yes, and i have at many points encouraged people to look at my slot more closely or to ask me any questions they have so they could see that

[Taly]

I can't tell that your constant insistence your town is frustration or it's meant to discourage people from looking at you more thoroughly.

i am frustrated, yes, and i have at many points encouraged people to look at my slot more closely or to ask me any questions they have so they could see that

That's the opposite of what I felt you've done in response to me this phase.

[ulyana]

I don't know why you disagree with any current townbloc (Namely Gamma)

at times it hasn’t felt like gamma emerald trying to solve the game, especially after getting voted to cross, feel like their push on me was choreographed, feel like scum would want to potentially kingmaker, still don’t know what benefit would have been, (though maybe it was toogeloo killing dunnstral on first shot, did think about this), dunnstral weirdly told me not to look at gamma emerald anymore after we voted to spare and i was questioning it, feel like gamma emerald was not considering my thoughts with regards to you even though i was in pt with you and that was something gamma had asked about and then was weirdly presenting inaccurately

[ulyana]

That's the opposite of what I felt you've done in response to me this phase.

like i said it felt like the way you were presenting it there didn’t check out

it’s not like i’m avoiding you or making myself unavailable to you

[ulyana]

feel like gamma emerald was not considering my thoughts with regards to you even though i was in pt with you and that was something gamma had asked about and then was weirdly presenting inaccurately

whole ‘taly and gamma emerald were opposed to petapan/infinity pairing!!!’ thing was kinda weird in general but dismissing my points with regards to your actual role in getting us to that point and continuing to present the same narrative was especially !!

[ulyana]

(though maybe it was toogeloo killing dunnstral on first shot, did think about this),

though this very unlikely because the duel itself was not the next event but rather the nextnext event, the voting for the duel was the next event, which brings us back to, what was benefit

[Taly]

See, this is what I'm wanting! Thanks

Ulya

.

I don't know why you disagree with any current townbloc (Namely Gamma)

at times it hasn’t felt like gamma emerald trying to solve the game, especially after getting voted to cross, feel like their push on me was choreographed, feel like scum would want to potentially kingmaker, still don’t know what benefit would have been, (though maybe it was toogeloo killing dunnstral on first shot, did think about this), dunnstral weirdly told me not to look at gamma emerald anymore after we voted to spare and i was questioning it, feel like gamma emerald was not considering my thoughts with regards to you even though i was in pt with you and that was something gamma had asked about and then was weirdly presenting inaccurately

Point 1-

What do you make of their kingmaker choice then?

Point 2-

Potentially, I assume you refer to Event 1 which is a blur to me at this point and will have to reread.

Point 3-

I also agree scum can want kingmaker but I don't know if scum are so obvious to nominate their own when it's learned that the chair didn't just eliminate who was voted. It feels too obvious and makes sense why scum would want to engineer a largely town-led push against a scum-

Gamma

by emphasizing the chair was bad

(Assuming TA slot is also scum)

and then place a towny in a position of probably misfiring. It feels like a gamestate that benefits scum better than to just put their own in the hotseat and risk team-wide scrutiny

(Again, assuming TA is scum, I find the former reality of Gamma-town more likely because that only means Skitter was the off-wagon scum.)

Point 4-

I'm failing to see the significance of

Toog

-town being part of the duel relates to

Gamma's

alignment.

Point 5-

Do you have the post of

Dunn

discouraging you from looking into

Gamma

?

Point 6-

I know I've loaded this post with a little bit of HW, but I'd like to hear how you feel about

Gamma's

gamelong townread on me.

p-edit

That's the opposite of what I felt you've done in response to me this phase.

like i said it felt like the way you were presenting it there didn’t check out

it’s not like i’m avoiding you or making myself unavailable to you

I'm starting to see that.

feel like gamma emerald was not considering my thoughts with regards to you even though i was in pt with you and that was something gamma had asked about and then was weirdly presenting inaccurately

whole ‘taly and gamma emerald were opposed to petapan/infinity pairing!!!’ thing was kinda weird in general but dismissing my points with regards to your actual role in getting us to that point and continuing to present the same narrative was especially !!

But this assumes I knew

Infinity

would've been paired and neglects the fact that my T/T of

Peta/Infinity

wasn't pronounced until after their posting in the Event 4 thread, I've elaborated on this more than once.

Like, I can see the argument you present in the lens of believing I'm scum for this, but what do I gain as scum by branding

Peta/Infinity

T/T when it's too late? The fact that I allowed myself a role in this puts me in scrutiny, and not a wise or feasible scumplay that I'd want to pursue. This is where I feel your perception of my potential scum-motives fall apart.

p-edit again

(though maybe it was toogeloo killing dunnstral on first shot, did think about this),

though this very unlikely because the duel itself was not the next event but rather the nextnext event, the voting for the duel was the next event, which brings us back to, what was benefit

Are you thinking of a

Gamma-town

or

Gamma-scum

world in this post?

[Taly]

unwnd

is correct, my play deliberate.

But I'd say even more so for my scumplay than my townplay here. I'm calculated as scum to a point that it's inhibiting, because I don't like pressure and my wind-tunnel brain doesn't spew into the thread.

[ulyana]

Point 1- What do you make of their kingmaker choice then?

i thought way they reacted to pooky dieing without missing a beat or factoring into further decisions was ??? like I said at the time

trying to weigh gammagooey alignment off of unsure gamma emerald alignment for all of this feels not a good task to try to undertake because could easily see reasoning for choosing town or scum

[ulyana]

Point 4- I'm failing to see the significance of Toog-town being part of the duel relates to Gamma's alignment.

if gamma emerald is town, we were supposed to get benefit from sparing them, so if we can identify very likely benefit, then gamma emerald likely town, if no benefit, then scum, so trying to find benefit worthwhile though pretty defeating process because like, it’s meant to be somewhat hidden but the ones i can find aren’t even really benefits so probably aren’t it

[SirCakez]

VOTE: gamma emerald

Uly is desperate scum ignore them