Open 835: D6 | Songs About Ronald Reagan | Day 5

[numberQ]

So do we treat E-2 like E-1 with N_M around? Like if someone has intent to put Enchant at E-2, he should claim? I'm not saying I have that intent quite yet. Just wondering.

[Galron]

I can tell I'm not going to enjoy Galron's gimmick, even if I like the source material... It's not even a wild or potentially meme-worthy setup, I don't get bringing RP stuff like that into games like this.

I'm a saint, you know. I'm a living saint, and I get absolutely nothing out of it.

[numberQ]

*if someone has intent to put Enchant at

E-1

not E-2, typo

[numberQ]

I can tell I'm not going to enjoy Galron's gimmick, even if I like the source material... It's not even a wild or potentially meme-worthy setup, I don't get bringing RP stuff like that into games like this.

I'm a saint, you know. I'm a living saint, and I get absolutely nothing out of it.

Hello darkness my old friend...

[Roden]

(That was a joke on the same level as when I jokingly implied Gamma was VT, btw)

Are you saying the rest of the readlist was serious? because I assumed it was all upside down tbh. If you did mean I was a Town lean to you I would like a short explanation. I don't think i did anything alliance indicative thus far, unless you're meta-reading me. Is that it?

Partially meta. I don't really know what your scum game looks like, but you're giving me the same vibes as from NEP3. You were on side "meme game" in that one, but still, you were town and looked like this.

Otherwise it's just a vague feeling I get from your posts. 168 in particular didn't feel like scum because I don't think scum would blatantly say that instead of giving a few fake reads.

Admittedly, a somewhat weak read. Maybe you should be a couple slots lower, though still in the leantown category.

Early reads, in order from towniest to scummiest:

Town:
Roden
Penguin

Leantown:
A50
ssbm
redtea
Gamma

Null:
Galron
mozamis
Not_Mafia

Leanscum:
Enchant
Egix
Meg

Scum:
numberQ

I can elaborate on any of these if asked but I'm not going to elaborate on all of them right now, too much work.

I'm vibing with this reads list for the most part.

Why are you town reading Penguin?

Penguin questioning and then voting me felt genuine. Idk, I generally townread people who question me and/or scumread me, at least in the early game.

If you're vibing with it for the most part, what stands out to you as not vibe-worthy?

That's fair, I tend to do the same as well.

The only placements that stood out to me were Penguin and Meg. Penguin's posting has been fine, but nothing has stood out to me as particularly townie. And Meg hasn't felt like they've done much to get a scum lean, at least to me. But also Meg is a kind of player that I have to let simmer before I can read them, their town and scum metas are distinct but not immediately obvious.

Like I said earlier though I do mostly vibe with your list, if I were to write one out now it would be almost identical to yours. Which is actually kind of rare for me to have a similar reads list to someone else on Day 1.

I can tell I'm not going to enjoy Galron's gimmick, even if I like the source material... It's not even a wild or potentially meme-worthy setup, I don't get bringing RP stuff like that into games like this.

Yeahhhh I'm feeling the same at this point.

So do we treat E-2 like E-1 with N_M around? Like if someone has intent to put Enchant at E-2, he should claim? I'm not saying I have that intent quite yet. Just wondering.

It's a weird spot for me because I want to say yes, that should be enough for someone to claim. But also I don't like that with NM around it basically let's scum get claims out of townies sooner.

[Roden]

Early reads, in order from towniest to scummiest:

Town:
Roden
Penguin

Leantown:
A50
ssbm
redtea
Gamma

Null:
Galron
mozamis
Not_Mafia

Leanscum:
Enchant
Egix
Meg

Scum:
numberQ

I can elaborate on any of these if asked but I'm not going to elaborate on all of them right now, too much work.

I'm vibing with this reads list for the most part.

Why are you town reading Penguin?

If you take money from these people under false pretenses, you’ll be committing fraud.

VOTE: roden

VOTE: Galron

Ok, let's figure each other out. Are these serious votes? If so, why do you scum read me?

[Egix96]

Someone put Q on E-1 please

Eh, I feel like his reaction to being wagoned was slightly more towny than not. I'm curious as to why he leans scum on me though, and also Roden implicitly agreeing.

[Roden]

I'm gonna unvote before this turns into a Thing
UNVOTE:

Considering no other things have happened or are happening, I say thing it up. Why is your vote better off the wagon than on it?

I'm trying to be a

little

more selective in my thinging

VOTE: gamma

that's me, being selective

Come on, that had to have been deliberate.

VOTE: redtea

Also Enchant wtf are you doing

I wanted quickhammer, but changed mind when noticed Mag was upset, and decided to hold for now.

Ok, but why do you want a quick hammer? And why is Meg posting emojis enough to stop you from quick hammering?

Why not?

Idk, honestly. Seems like i turned in wimp with high empathy when i am sleepy. Mostly i really don't care.

Why i am not sleeping?

Weeeeeeell! I need to go now seems.

This is also terrible.

Side note: Roden is prob town for actually having common sense around the whole quickhammer situation, and also Azumarill to a lesser extent.

TMI that me and Roden are town?

Somewhat agree with this. Shutting down early quick hammers is low effort town cred for scum, and doesn't even consider the possibility that Gamma could be my buddy and that I was trying to save him. That shouldn't really be seen as town indicative.

Egix, do you have a read on Gamma?

[Enchant]

That's E-2/E-NM btw.

What's up Enchant? Do you have any reads?

All scum voting me, 100%

Atleast i don't see phrase "WELL NUMBERQ IS PROB SCUM AND WAGONED LET'S WAGON ENCHANT INSTEAD BECAUSE OPENWULF"

Blatant counter wagon, so mafia are Kyouko+Gamma+NumberQ.

[Enchant]

Also i don't mind getting WAGONED, but getting wagoned by mafia which i had opportunity to throw to death making me furious.

Fuck basic decency.

[Egix96]

Ah sry, missed that.

Somewhat agree with this. Shutting down early quick hammers is low effort town cred for scum, and doesn't even consider the possibility that Gamma could be my buddy and that I was trying to save him. That shouldn't really be seen as town indicative.

Egix, do you have a read on Gamma?

The thing is that, if Gamma were scum then how the heck did they almost get yeeted within the first five pages? That was my line of reasoning for thinking who looked good/bad out of the whole situation.
But yeah, apart from agreeing with Gamma's reads on red/enchant, there's nothing else posting-wise I can discern alignment from yet.

[numberQ]

Someone put Q on E-1 please

Eh, I feel like his reaction to being wagoned was slightly more towny than not. I'm curious as to why he leans scum on me though, and also Roden implicitly agreeing.

My read on you was pretty much entirely based on your 166. I'm not seeing the throughline of logic or emotion for you to land on a vote for redtea or TRs for Roden/Meg. Which to me smells like scum trying to fake reads.

More recently, I don't like 235. Gamma ultimately

wasn't

yeeted, which I think is much more telling than

almost

getting yeeted. (not you, Almost )

Egix, do you have any opinions on Enchant getting pissed off by his wagon? I have thoughts but I'd like to hear yours first.

[Almost50]

You know, of late I've been like... but.. so.. you feel?

[mozamis]

o do we treat E-2 like E-1 with N_M around?

yes.
Just be easier to get rid of NM.
Not sure if i am voting for him or not but I should be.
VOTE: NOT MAFIA

catching up.

[Gamma Emerald]

Early reads, in order from towniest to scummiest:

Town:
Roden
Penguin

Leantown:
A50
ssbm
redtea
Gamma

Null:
Galron
mozamis
Not_Mafia

Leanscum:
Enchant
Egix
Meg

Scum:
numberQ

I can elaborate on any of these if asked but I'm not going to elaborate on all of them right now, too much work.

I'm vibing with this reads list for the most part.

Why are you town reading Penguin?

If you take money from these people under false pretenses, you’ll be committing fraud.

VOTE: roden

What are you saying?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Galron
Yeah this gimmick is actively inhibiting to actually getting content out of you. You die now.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: mozamis

This vote is serious^tm, not even a vague attempt at scumhunting

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Galron
Yeah this gimmick is actively inhibiting to actually getting content out of you. You die now.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Imagine trying to use someones gimmick to push them instead of scumhunting

[redtea]

VOTE: redtea

Do you think their unannounced E-1 was a scum ploy or is there something else here?

An unannounced E-1 is always anti-town, but doing it after everyone was warned of a potential NM quick hammer is even worse. Plus I just don't like how redtea is trying to turn their misunderstanding around onto me.

If you're scum then ok, but I don't see how any townie is supposed to know that without a N0 guilty, nothing has happened yet to reasonably say anyone should get hammered.

Didn't I unvote you?

I totally forgot NM was in this game in between posts, and there were no warnings made between them. But that's on me for not checking.

[redtea]

You say we're oppotunistic for voting you. By those same standards, do you not consider your own votes and pushes opportunistic?

Well it says "Mafia Scum" under Roden's username so I think you're onto something.

VOTE: Roden

Unironically Roden is scum

Then vote them

VOTE: Gamma

He said there was nothing important to discuss so let's make something to discuss.

This is the worst take s2g

Leaning town on Enchant.
His play was bad for town but...bit wifomy but day one, it seems too ballsy for most scum.
Problem is, he fooled me before so this is a VERY LIGHT town read.

imo scum Enchant would do it

[redtea]

86 feels like stalling, 94 in hindsight after seeing 118 strikes me as motivated by trying to get a claim out of Gamma for free, and then 118 itself is actually just fishing after he didnt get what he was hoping for.

Strike fast?

weird pivot
idk if this is what numberQ was getting at or what

[redtea]

uh legit though, I counted and isn't gamma supposed to be dead?

@mod can you recount the votes again? Pretty sure gamma was hammered

[redtea]

VOTE: Galron
Yeah this gimmick is actively inhibiting to actually getting content out of you. You die now.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Imagine trying to use someones gimmick to push them instead of scumhunting

policy limming unhelpful slots on d1 is pro-town tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Galron
Yeah this gimmick is actively inhibiting to actually getting content out of you. You die now.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Imagine trying to use someones gimmick to push them instead of scumhunting

I straight up said I felt the gimmick was a play to avoid giving real content

[redtea]

So do we treat [E-1 like a hammer] with N_M around? Like if someone has intent to put Enchant at [E-1], he should claim? I'm not saying I have that intent quite yet. Just wondering.

Always. Roden has a good point about the fact it forces claims out early, but NM can and will hammer unless he has stated otherwise on a particular slot.