Open 835: D6 | Songs About Ronald Reagan | Day 5

[Gamma Emerald]

uh legit though, I counted and isn't gamma supposed to be dead?

@mod can you recount the votes again? Pretty sure gamma was hammered

If this is the case 100% kill off enchant and redtea at first opportunity

[MegAzumarill]

Gamma isn't hammered.

[redtea]

I DIDNT MEAB TO OKAY

[redtea]

OOOoooh you're right, Roden switched off to vote me
talk about clutch

[Enchant]

uh legit though, I counted and isn't gamma supposed to be dead?

@mod can you recount the votes again? Pretty sure gamma was hammered

If this is the case 100% kill off enchant and redtea at first opportunity

"I am deserved to be quickhammered"
@ Gamma


You still do.

[redtea]

You do too tbh

[redtea]

and mozamis

[Enchant]

You do too tbh

no u

[Egix96]

Someone put Q on E-1 please

Eh, I feel like his reaction to being wagoned was slightly more towny than not. I'm curious as to why he leans scum on me though, and also Roden implicitly agreeing.

My read on you was pretty much entirely based on your 166. I'm not seeing the throughline of logic or emotion for you to land on a vote for redtea or TRs for Roden/Meg. Which to me smells like scum trying to fake reads.

More recently, I don't like 235. Gamma ultimately

wasn't

yeeted, which I think is much more telling than

almost

getting yeeted. (not you, Almost )

Egix, do you have any opinions on Enchant getting pissed off by his wagon? I have thoughts but I'd like to hear yours first.

Yes, I am totally going to post exactly how I'm feeling at every step /s. This is why reading people based on "progression" is often flawed.

Regarding Enchant, I really don't mean to sound insensitive by saying this, but I don't feel like he's actually that peed off? I mean, otherwise he wouldn't be joking about anime/weebs, and what else would he expect his scumreads to do apart from pushing back against him?

[Enchant]

Someone put Q on E-1 please

Eh, I feel like his reaction to being wagoned was slightly more towny than not. I'm curious as to why he leans scum on me though, and also Roden implicitly agreeing.

My read on you was pretty much entirely based on your 166. I'm not seeing the throughline of logic or emotion for you to land on a vote for redtea or TRs for Roden/Meg. Which to me smells like scum trying to fake reads.

More recently, I don't like 235. Gamma ultimately

wasn't

yeeted, which I think is much more telling than

almost

getting yeeted. (not you, Almost )

Egix, do you have any opinions on Enchant getting pissed off by his wagon? I have thoughts but I'd like to hear yours first.

Yes, I am totally going to post exactly how I'm feeling at every step /s. This is why reading people based on "progression" is often flawed.

Regarding Enchant, I really don't mean to sound insensitive by saying this, but I don't feel like he's actually that peed off? I mean, otherwise he wouldn't be joking about anime/weebs, and what else would he expect his scumreads to do apart from pushing back against him?

I am not joking, that's pure truth.

[redtea]

So what?
You think scum jebaited you into quasi-hammering so that they could dogpile you?

[Enchant]

So what?
You think scum jebaited you into quasi-hammering so that they could dogpile you?

Perhaps. Truly masterminds.

[Not_Mafia]

Did someone say hammer?

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[T3]

Vc

[Galron]

Early reads, in order from towniest to scummiest:

Town:
Roden
Penguin

Leantown:
A50
ssbm
redtea
Gamma

Null:
Galron
mozamis
Not_Mafia

Leanscum:
Enchant
Egix
Meg

Scum:
numberQ

I can elaborate on any of these if asked but I'm not going to elaborate on all of them right now, too much work.

I'm vibing with this reads list for the most part.

Why are you town reading Penguin?

If you take money from these people under false pretenses, you’ll be committing fraud.

VOTE: roden

VOTE: Galron

Ok, let's figure each other out. Are these serious votes? If so, why do you scum read me?

Start with the misdemeanors and then, we're gonna' push right on through to the lighter treasons:

Ughhhh...I'm gonna have to keep pushing discussion, aren't I?

I'm gonna unvote before this turns into a Thing
UNVOTE:

Considering no other things have happened or are happening, I say thing it up. Why is your vote better off the wagon than on it?

I'm trying to be a

little

more selective in my thinging

VOTE: gamma

that's me, being selective

Come on, that had to have been deliberate.

VOTE: redtea

Also Enchant wtf are you doing

I wanted quickhammer, but changed mind when noticed Mag was upset, and decided to hold for now.

Ok, but why do you want a quick hammer? And why is Meg posting emojis enough to stop you from quick hammering?

Why not?

Idk, honestly. Seems like i turned in wimp with high empathy when i am sleepy. Mostly i really don't care.

Why i am not sleeping?

Weeeeeeell! I need to go now seems.

This is also terrible.

Side note: Roden is prob town for actually having common sense around the whole quickhammer situation, and also Azumarill to a lesser extent.

TMI that me and Roden are town?

Somewhat agree with this. Shutting down early quick hammers is low effort town cred for scum, and doesn't even consider the possibility that Gamma could be my buddy and that I was trying to save him. That shouldn't really be seen as town indicative.

Egix, do you have a read on Gamma?

ok, sorry, didnt realise game had started, catching up, ty

It's been a day, and not much has happened since this post. Are you caught up yet? Do you have any opinions?

It is exactly the opposite:

VOTE: roden

I get that you're gimmicking this game, but it's obscuring your thought process. Can you explain your votes?

That's E-2/E-NM btw.

What's up Enchant? Do you have any reads?

[Enchant]

Let's try actually one tactic from wiki. Like what we lose?

Example:
If i am Role Oracle/Role Cop, i targeted Egix96 last night and found them as Vanilla.
If i am Parity Cop, i targeted Galron last night.
If i am N0 Cop, then ssbm_Kyouko is Innocent, as well as Galron.

If am other role (Roleblocker/Doctor/Jailkeeper/Bodyguard/Tracker) i used my ability on Gamma Emerald last night, but anything important didn't happen.
If i am Vanilla, disregard that.



If everyone fill this, then PR can leave "crumbs" without being painly obvious? Everyone should make effort to actually make it belivable though.

[numberQ]

Hmm. I kind of see the utility in doing that. But I also see at least one situation where this will just out a PR, particularly cops. If a non-cop and a cop both target someone who is widely SRed, then the non-cop is essentially forced to claim a guilty verdict as part of this smokescreen strategy. Because if they claim innocent, their SR will have to change to a TR, otherwise they're admitting that they are not the cop and the whole strategy is useless. But if the targeted player actually is town, then the real cop will have to claim an innocent result, otherwise the breadcrumb is useless. Which pretty much outs them as the cop.

Might be more examples of how this outs PRs, haven't sat down and thought through every possible scenario.

[Enchant]

Then "check" person who you actually townread. Considering Cops need to check actual nullreads, it makes sense.

Giving "Guilty" results is a kind of stupid, because you probably should speak up anyway... Or get them killed otherwise.

[Enchant]

Basically just faking it, before real invest claims Guilty result, after that we consider our work done.

[Enchant]

We have two days. Ding ding.

[T3]

Votecount:

• Enchant (2): Almost50, ssbm_Kyouko
  Galron (2): Roden, Gamma Emerald
  Gamma Emerald (2): MegAzumarill, Not_Mafia
  numberQ (1): PenguinPower
  Not_Mafia (1): mozamis
  MegAzumarill (1): numberQ
  redtea (1): Egix96
  Roden (1): Galron

I'm doing VC's by hand, please tell me if there are any errors.
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-11-10 07:56:01).
With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

[Almost50]

It looks like this will be a low-effort low-posting game

[numberQ]

VOTE: Enchant

Biggest wagon right now, and he's on the bottom half of my reads list already. If discussion is stagnating I feel like we should at least keep up the vote momentum.

[T3]

Prodding PenguinPower.

[redtea]

@Galron
Roden feels a lot like Deimos did in the first game I played with him. He got rushlimmed d1 for his weird (and similar here) tone and flipped town.

That's to say, some leeway should be given. Tone won't be a reliable way to read him imo

And if it's not that you're talking about then uuuuh I have no idea what you're talking about