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[Loftwing]

Hi, bye, silent why. We never meant to part, by heart.
One, light, higher than the sun. Invisible to some, until, it's time.

[cyrus62]

loft is just bad for town. but here like always im sick of trying to work with you lot. bingel vote me dw vote me and i'll hammer. but and i mean this when i fucking flip town fucking vote loft off imminently day5 . your not going win by voting me off. your just going blow your chance at having two roles that can protect. pre edit jk blocks pgo. role block doesn't. in which case enchant must have been jk night1.

[Loftwing]

I would like to remind Cyrus that if they had successfully targeted StrangeMatter as they said, then they would be dead. As Cook has confirmed for us, roleblocking a PGO does not prevent their PGO from going off and killing the roleblocker.
This means that either an unknown Bulletproof Busdriver/Busdriver and protecter combo exists and we have not found them yet, or that Quiet Owl died to StrangeMatter because StrangeMatter was a Paranoid Gun Owner who Quiet Owl, a bus driver, visited, and subsequently died from.

Also, no Cyrus. Jailkeeper doesn't block Paranoid Gun Owner from killing, because Jailkeeper roleblocks their target. Jailkeeper doesn't banish them to the shadow realm for one night like some sort of Yugioh Commuter. Go ask Cook yourself if you think I am wrong.

And no, cyrus, no Jailkeeper was on Enchant Night 1. Dweelee was roleblocked Night 1, so unless you're about to say that you are a full Jailkeeper who targeted Enchant Night 1, no jailkeeper could have been on them.

[Loftwing]

I submit the following:

Paranoid Gun Owner may be preventable via roleblock, and the bus driver fucked with our results enough to land one of our roleblockers onto Enchant.

That would fall under major mod error but we can check.

@cook: would a roleblocker prevent a pgo from killing?

No.

@cook: would a jailkeeper prevent a pgo from killing?

[Mama Ru]

I don't know what to do. Suggestions?

[Loftwing]

Be gay and do crime?

[cyrus62]

I would like to remind Cyrus that if they had successfully targeted StrangeMatter as they said, then they would be dead. As Cook has confirmed for us, roleblocking a PGO does not prevent their PGO from going off and killing the roleblocker.
This means that either an unknown Bulletproof Busdriver/Busdriver and protecter combo exists and we have not found them yet, or that Quiet Owl died to StrangeMatter because StrangeMatter was a Paranoid Gun Owner who Quiet Owl, a bus driver, visited, and subsequently died from.

Also, no Cyrus. Jailkeeper doesn't block Paranoid Gun Owner from killing, because Jailkeeper roleblocks their target. Jailkeeper doesn't banish them to the shadow realm for one night like some sort of Yugioh Commuter. Go ask Cook yourself if you think I am wrong.

And no, cyrus, no Jailkeeper was on Enchant Night 1. Dweelee was roleblocked Night 1, so unless you're about to say that you are a full Jailkeeper who targeted Enchant Night 1, no jailkeeper could have been on them.

something is fishy for sure. but i think your lieing about something.

[cyrus62]

I don't know what to do. Suggestions?

vote me im sick of the game right now. since no one believes im town.

[Loftwing]

What do you think I might be lying about? Just, in general.

[cyrus62]

here is a good queston. would it not be game throwing if i was the last scum and telling people to vote me off? instead of conceding.

[cyrus62]

What do you think I might be lying about? Just, in general.

dont know dont care. i just dont like you okay.

[Loftwing]

That sounds like a question for a Mod Listerator

[Dwlee99]

Y'all we could be in ELO rn let's chill for a sec

[Loftwing]

I don''t like how that would imply that Cook decided to run a setup with a lot less than a town majority, while also letting one faction having at least 3 members, and at most 4 members (Mafia)

[Loftwing]

I also think that would necessarily implicate at least one of us, Dweelee, because otherwise we would both be able to roleblock everyone else who could kill, and thus prevent anyone from killing.

[Save The Dragons]

This game confuses me

[Dwlee99]

Cook didn't design anything

Everyone got what they rolled with a fudge, there were no other tweaks to my knowledge except for the cult thing. So it isn't about cook designing or not designing a balanced setup

[Dwlee99]

If I knew what actual game ratio was going to be I probably would have not fudged my alignment die to town but here we are

[Loftwing]

So here's the master plan:

During the night, Ru, STD, and Bingle use their investigative actions.

I roleblock Mama Ru and STD.
Dweelee jailkeeps Bingle.

If anyone dies, then it is guarenteed that either I or Dweelee is scum.

If Mama Ru or STD report recieving any result other than No Result, and Bingle reports recieving No Result, then I am scum and should be killed immediately.

If Mama Ru or STD report recieving No Result, then we kill Dweelee immediately

If Mama Ru, STD, and Bingle all report recieving a result other than No Result, then Dweelee jailkept me and should be killed immediately.

Under these circumstances, it is impossible for a solo scum in me or Dweelee to kill without resulting in an immediate loss.
The only fail here is if there is a pair of scum here and one of them is either me or Dweelee (in which case we would gain majority immediately.)

[Loftwing]

If either me or Dweelee were solo scum, then neither of us would be able to kill without losing immediately. Therefore, even if there were 2 solo scum (with one of them being in either me or dweelee), the night would effectively resolve as if there was only one scum, and it was between me or dweelee.

[cyrus62]

If either me or Dweelee were solo scum, then neither of us would be able to kill without losing immediately. Therefore, even if there were 2 solo scum (with one of them being in either me or dweelee), the night would effectively resolve as if there was only one scum, and it was between me or dweelee.

So why not vote you then. Then we know last scum is . Bingel.

[Loftwing]

If either me or Dweelee were solo scum, then neither of us would be able to kill without losing immediately. Therefore, even if there were 2 solo scum (with one of them being in either me or dweelee), the night would effectively resolve as if there was only one scum, and it was between me or dweelee.

So why not vote you then. Then we know last scum is . Bingel.

You are trying your damndest to kill me. It's pathetic.

[Loftwing]

But sure, let's assume that Bingle and I are both scum together.

In this scenario, I would be in a scum pair, and the game would end in a loss for town.

Let's now assume that me and Mama Ru were scum together. Or Me and STD, since both cases are funtionally symmetric.

In either scenario, I would be in a scum pair, and the game would end in a loss for town.

So your argument does not hold here, sir.

[cyrus62]

But sure, let's assume that Bingle and I are both scum together.

In this scenario, I would be in a scum pair, and the game would end in a loss for town.

Let's now assume that me and Mama Ru were scum together. Or Me and STD, since both cases are funtionally symmetric.

In either scenario, I would be in a scum pair, and the game would end in a loss for town.

So your argument does not hold here, sir.

or you could have been with strange.

[cyrus62]

Restating it here since I mentioned it but never directly said. Also, I don’t think I made it clear through I don’t intend on voting Loftwing unless something happens that changes the slot’s position so.

@Loftwing, why did you claim Cult, then folded later and said it was a gambit?

strange didmt want to vote you. lets dig deeper