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[Off The Hook]

A reread quenches some of the fire
Let us see what else shall transpire

VOTE: Cephrir

What did you see when rereading?

-GE

[Bowser Jr.]

Ceph is pretty town here.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Man, I dunno.

I voted OTH and Galron yesterday and my opinions haven't changed, but killing in that subset doesn't teach me new things more than "well Galron's grouping is the scum grouping"

and people saying that any of

OTH
Ceph
Dunn

are "pretty town" or "obviously town" are being disingenuous for the sake of dramatic effect to sell their case.

And that's just not really working.

We should kill one of those 3 names today. Killing Galron is mechanically wrong. I'll kill any of those 3.

[GuiltyLion]

Gamma you could make this right by just voting obvscum guiltied Galron

I know you want your role to be useful but Galron is likely what he claimed and not scum. Take a step back.

you're not wrong, I do like to try to be the hero, but why is he "likely" not scum? Like what's your case for him as town?

I'm mostly operating under probabilities here, the odds of a town!Galron visiting the dead player for some other reason itself is usually low enough to make him the correct elimination today, regardless of any other factors. I'd be more tempted to look elsewhere if he was playing in a super transparent, obvtown fashion, but he's not. I don't even know why he's voting Titus, which is like the bare minimum of what townies should be explaining, who they are voting and why.

If you have actual hard info that suggests he is town, I think you should share it, or at least tell us that you do. Otherwise I'm trusting my hard info over your reads

[Bowser Jr.]

I think cephrirs post conveys he doesn’t give a fuck this game, a typically town-Cephrir trait. He sounds nothing like bloodstained.

Of the three, he’s the only one I’m against for reasons that aren’t “there’s a person tracked to TWO people who have had malicious actions against them”

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 2-7

Galron

(6): GuiltyLion, Skybird, Pavowski, Cephrir, Dunnstral, Bowser Jr.

Dunnstral

(4): Lady Lambdadelta, Wisdom, Off The Hook, Titus

Off The Hook

(2): Child of Fairies, Lukewarm

Titus

(1): Galron

Cephrir

(1): DeasVail

Wisdom

(1): Yorick

Not Voting

(1): Icebox

With 15 alive, it takes 9 to eliminate.

Deadline: November 10, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-11-10 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[Off The Hook]

I’m a Day 4 IC.

Spoiler:

-GE

[Skybird]

Oh yeah, yep. I definitely failed that test.
They were even called caskets.
Woops.

-Bell

Is it possible failing this "test" is what loverized you with Galron?

Sorry if someone already asked this. It just stuck out on my re-read.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh yeah, yep. I definitely failed that test.
They were even called caskets.
Woops.

-Bell

Is it possible failing this "test" is what loverized you with Galron?

Sorry if someone already asked this. It just stuck out on my re-read.

This would be incredibly backwards. Portia's test was to find her true love, and she could only marry someone who passed it.

Infact, if someone failed, they were meant to be stripped of all wealth and titles and disallowed from ever marrying anyone else again. That was the deal of the 3 box test and trying to marry Portia.

So failing it would be the furthest thing from loverization, I would think.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think cephrirs post conveys he doesn’t give a fuck this game, a typically town-Cephrir trait. He sounds nothing like bloodstained.

Of the three, he’s the only one I’m against for reasons that aren’t “there’s a person tracked to TWO people who have had malicious actions against them”

Look I don't get why you're arguing against the mechanically correct play. Galron is probably scum but there's just no reason to kill him here. There's a 10% chance he's town, and even if he is scum, his power would have to be Money Steal. He's getting tracked again, and we'll see what happens. It's worth letting it go to night.

As for Cephrir, Ceph hates scum. Ceph is much more engaged with town games than scum games. and the games where Ceph doesn't give a fuck as town are followed by a tone of incredible frustration, which was lacking here.

This is "not having fun" Ceph. Not "I'm frustrated" Ceph. It feels way more like scum.

[Lukewarm]

Gamma you could make this right by just voting obvscum guiltied Galron

I know you want your role to be useful but Galron is likely what he claimed and not scum. Take a step back.

Do you know something that we don't know?

[Wisdom]

No

[Lukewarm]

Okay, then things we know:

We know for a fact that scum visited wheme
We know that scum almost certainly visited Skybird
We know for a fact that Galron visited both wheme and Skybird.

So is it "possible" that Galron is what he claimed, and just happened to visit the same people scum visited -yes. But it is not "likely"

[Lukewarm]

I want to kill Galron, unless icebox has a role that they think would be useful toNight, and worth holding off for them.

If icebox does, then I think we should kill oth

[Off The Hook]

I’m a Day 4 IC.

Spoiler:

-GE

for tweedle dum over here

-GE

[Wisdom]

Im not killing oth

Dunn > Ceph > DV

[Wisdom]

We know that scum almost certainly visited Skybird

Disagree

[Wisdom]

Beware! Where there is gold, there are thieves.

Gold stealing is part of the mechanic
It could easily be coming from town trying to steal from their scumreads

[Lukewarm]

I'd that is the case, the town who stole from Skybird should 1,000% out that information since it is currently important to the discussion. Until that happens, I am gonna treat it as a scum activity

[Lukewarm]

"guilty lions track is not a guilty because I am the one who stole from Skybird" is definitely worth outing a semi-negative utility role portion of a role.

[GuiltyLion]

Galron also claimed thieved, so if town stole from him they should out that as well.

[GuiltyLion]

well, maybe not, but how many gold thieves can we really have in the game realistically

[Cephrir]

I wouldnt say I hate scum, I am a bit sick of rolling it at the moment though

I have a lot going on in my life right now and that is making my effort across games low. I dont get frustrated in every town game, it's just happened a bit lately. See dead silence, and chromatic ascension, for examples of chill town me. I also am not going to get frustrated until something frustrating is happening

[Skybird]

I'm not sure I believe Galron was robbed. I think claiming to be robbed is a good way to throw people off.

[Skybird]

Titus, you are pretty good with mechanics iirc. Is letting Halron live the best play here?