Slaughter Hour: Grand Debut | Hell

[ulyana]

yeah and you also know sircakez has already said dunnstral had weird interactions with me and that I wasn’t pushing for dunnstral duel, so

[Ydrasse]

like, beyond convincing me you can also trry to convince cakez to pick you too but like

idk

if ~i had the choice right now~ of sending me or you i feel a lot more comfortable in sending myself and /also/ i feel like i have a better chance to... communicate with the other people in heaven and get them to listen

p-edit:

i'm not trying to say you're mafia holy shit i just want enough of a reason to believe

you're towny enough to go and convince people if they were wrong somewhere on who's really scum and not just get killed over me

[ulyana]

again you’re saying point to something that isn’t there

instead of just asking me for my thoughts regarding things and why and such ya know the town bits

[Ydrasse]

like that's what this fucking boils down to and i don't feel like you're willing to give me what i'm asking and it's like ??????

IF YOU ARE PICKED TO LIVE AGAIN i want to feel comfortable because guess what, i'm town i know i'm town please please please send me too!! i want to go too! but between the two of us it feels like i am the only fucking one who will even have the dialogue heard out of "maybe this person could go if i can really believe in them"

[Ydrasse]

again you’re saying point to something that isn’t there

instead of just asking me for my thoughts regarding things and why and such ya know the town bits

BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE WHAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED THAT CAN MAKE ME BELIEVE YOU.

you can say whatever the fuck you want down here but like, actions! speak! louder! like holy shit congrats, you're town, you go up but then what happens when everyone points to those actions and goes hm, shiki, idk you're less towny there's a reason you got sent down to hell over us and they just think the game ends if they kill you regardless like i NEED YOU TO LOOK TOWNY to go up

[ulyana]

okay and i feel like you’re more likely to be mafia and i can see worlds in which that possibly makes sense and maybe i am not very convincing but you also know i will try, so

[Ydrasse]

like FOR ALL THAT YOU THINK OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO BELIEVE YOU TOO

we are the people that were LESS TOWNY in everyone else's eyes! we have to overcome that! HEAVEN PEOPLE have to see that!

[Ydrasse]

okay and i feel like you’re more likely to be mafia and i can see worlds in which that possibly makes sense and maybe i am not very convincing but you also know i will try, so

okay cool guess what i'm town and i'm know i'm town so believe me please just trust me i am town i know i am town and my thoughts are town

this is literally what this feels like right now it's fucking infuriating because i'm starting to think you're intentionally doing this and i dont' want to fucking think that!!!!!!!!!

[Ydrasse]

like holy shit i'm sorry i am snapping but i have been trying for however long to talk about this and it's just not going anywhere and i want to be able to sit here and not have to think more and more "shiki is scum stonewalling me maybe because i am not getting answers on things that i think are very fundamental to this mechanic"

[Ydrasse]

like lol i am literally crying out of frustration here trying to talk to you about this but i feel like there's some disconnect or soemthing that i don't understand why

[ulyana]

i do not wish to anymore

you know i town regardless of your alignment

and sircakez can decide

[Ydrasse]

yeah sure i definitenyl know for 100% yep sure whuatever

i'm leaving

[Ydrasse]

@shiki sorry. this conversation with you was very frustrating, but sorry to be mean and nasty.

[ulyana]

@shiki sorry. this conversation with you was very frustrating, but sorry to be mean and nasty.

it’s okay it was very frustrating conversation for me as well

i say you know i am town because you want evidence of me

looking

town as opposed to evidence that i

am

town and that only matters if i am indeed town and you also know i can’t provide the exact evidence you are asking for because it doesn’t exist and also you know that mafia manipulate the

looking

- skitter could have provided what you’re asking me for with regards to dunnstral - so the whole thing assumes i am town in the first place otherwise you would not be able to trust the

looking

i provided anyway

[Ydrasse]

i'm really not asking you for the evidence as some like, gotcha moment to screw you over.

the fact is yes, mafia manipulate the looking part. and we are already looking worse than the 4 people in heaven -- that is why we are in hell. we LOOK worse, even if we are town (and people think both you and me are town, generally) we need to look townier, and do something that is towny enough to overcome 4 people who look townier than us. this is why it's important that... even if i like, think you're town, what does that matter if i die and no one in heaven believes you despite you knowing you're town and me knowing you're town?

i need a reason to trust you that... you can go up there and like, if you're town, you can show this to other people. because like, i am sitting here and i think you're town but i don't... know if that's enough? it's like, how to communicate with people in heaven that you're towny enough to make up for being sent here in the first place.

[Ydrasse]

so i need to know like, what can you go to the heaven people and tell them to convince them you're town and hsould be listened to when they haven't listened a lot.

[ulyana]

which is like, ‘you’re town but you should die anyway’ which is same frustration from last phase and three hours ago i felt like that stupid train engine that climbs a mountain children’s book or like the ‘live through this…’ line from your ex-lover is dead like i could just show everyone if they’d let me like i don’t know what i need to show anyone - to me it’s just every post - but if they ask what i thinking here or how i viewed game at this point and such they could see and i would show them but don’t really feel like stupid train engine anymore

[Titus]

Can someone tldr this

[Titus]

Sorry I missed the deadline. Work blew up. Meant to decide today after court.

you just passed which is what you wanted to do so i think it's okay

cakez is up and shiki and i are going back and forth over stuff

I actually was leaning towards saving U but I got lost in life. I still think no save is proper but I was going to save so that if it was Cakez/Ydrasse, U would out it.

[Ydrasse]

sircakez not posting here monkaS

[Ydrasse]

Sorry I missed the deadline. Work blew up. Meant to decide today after court.

you just passed which is what you wanted to do so i think it's okay

cakez is up and shiki and i are going back and forth over stuff

I actually was leaning towards saving U but I got lost in life. I still think no save is proper but I was going to save so that if it was Cakez/Ydrasse, U would out it.

atp it could have saved me like two hours of tears and headache if that happened >_< oh well

[SirCakez]

why would Titus suicide to save you? that doesn't make any sense. everyone would see her flip scum and find you immediately suspicious.

because being suspected is better than being dead? like we can’t win game if we both dead and i could argue for being framed et cetera

except that Titus not doing anything has now left you open to argue for your own survival w Ydra and I in a less-suspicious manner if one of us dies for you

i think what cakez is getting at is titus pass -> potentially placate me and cakez to passing as well for some reason -> you give to titus so there's no way to send up 2? that's how i see it

or it could be this too

i mean

sircakez heavily suspects you/did, so

if titus sent you instantly, i would assume he would send me up to like... have 2 people up there because he wouldnt trust your word which, in a 1v1 situation like that (assuming you were scum) one of us would be proven a liar since we would be saying different things about it

but if titus passes, and you have the final action and send titus? there's less risk that me or cakez send up one another to 1v1

also this is a good point I didn't even consider and it makes me feel better about Ydra

[SirCakez]

like if you think you have a ton of town equity... you should be able to have something like that, yeah?

the town equity i was referring to was situation specific like… it doesn’t make sense for me to be scum here whereas it possibly makes sense for you to be scum here thus I have more town equity

what does this even mean wtf

[SirCakez]

honestly Ydra felt super fucking town on the last few pages and Uly was combative and evasive for like no reason
so I'm about ready to make my choice

[Ydrasse]

well if you have final thoughts you die when you sac so make sure you share them if you need something shared to heaven people