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[Galron]

I'm really not happy about this, and I don't know how to approach it any other way.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I will continue to only complain about Galron being alive until he is limmed. Notty might be a better sport than me but I refuse to consider or engage in anything else until he is gone.

The fact that so many players are jumping through hoops to justify keeping a 95% guilty player alive is embarrassing and reminds me why I don’t play mafia anymore.

~Spiffy

You know what Spiffeh? I'm tired of being talked down to by people.

I am a better mafia player than you point blank and I am advocating for this half measure plan. Because it's optimally correct and forces scum into the most interesting positions.

Because it forces people to take stances pro/con galron instead of it being a clean sweep

because it means we get to find scum interactions that aren't just hopeless bussing and death, if Galron is scum. And if he's town, we get utility.

There is NO GOOD REASON to be against the play that WISDOM and I BOTH AGREE ON.

That is 2 very good players who rarely agree, agreeing. That should tell you something.

If you're tired of people playing optimally and looking for cool angles, I don't know what to tell you, but don't pretend this is some kind of "people are playing mafia poorly."

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, please vote for Galron. If you fail to do so by the end of the Day phase, I will consider it a scum claim.

PEdit: @marci I am 95% sure Galron is scum based on all of the information provided today. I am not even close to like 50% sure about anyone else. Limming Galron here is a no brainer and the fact that getting votes on him is like pulling teeth is incredibly concerning and frustrating.

~Spiffy

Scumread me then motherfucker.

You're playing bully with ME. I fucking try to avoid this shit now a days, but let me remind you that I have NOT FUCKIGN FORGOTTEN HOW TO PLAY THREAD BULLY.

So calm the fuck down and talk to me, and treat me with some respect or we can see this game get really unfun really quick.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because if there is one thing that is true about me? It's that I do not back down when people do this shit. It's a flaw of mine. I'm aware of it. I don't like it about myself.

But I am not the one, so do not try me.

[Off The Hook]

Oh bowser isn’t gamma

WHOEVER BOWSER HEAD THIS IS WANNA HEAR A JOKE?

No the joke is your play this game

Boom. Roasted.

VOTE: skybird

What the hell is happening here.

Wheme wagon is faltering but I don't see why, the voting / posting pattern is weird af.

Granted I don't know Wheme. And maybe given his posts there's something mechanical happening here. But he's null at absolute best

Their lips art sewn so has't they decre'd. And yet, what is this? i sense not the tug of fate upon their words

seems like shading wheme for not having an evident PR despite having claimed one

If we are assuming Juliet is scum we should VOTE: Pavowski

pav is obvtown so this is a bad vote trying to tie obvtown to what I'm betting was a scumflip

That is a very very weak read on Dunn though. So if you got something more then "he hasn't done much" hit me with it

At this point it'd pretty much just be "put enough pressure on him that he actually does something", hence why I'd rather go with OtH.

It must be fun to grandstand rather than engage with me

When you've barely done anything yourself and you've somehow homed in on me despite LLD only voting so far.

I was wondering who would rush to point that out.

Does this make you think anything

two problems with this, first is trying to allay suspicion onto LLD despite having vouched for LLD earlier in the post below

LLD hasn't made a post of substance yet. It's all been naked votes. If she's got a case to be made, she'll make it surely.

I doth not fav'r this

Just gonna claim now. I'm poisoned, I die at the end of night 3.

I doth not knoweth wherefore thee claim'd

and the second is him trying to nudge Cephrir into pushing us

You're right, probably better to elim me for no reason than to get the guy who visited the night kill

Literally no reason:

vote:Dunnstral

And "He hasn't done much":

let's talk about who we want to elim today

Dunn maybe? He hasn't done much

bad reaction to getting voted imo

VOTE: Dunn

I feel Galron is probably scum, but I agree with the mechanical call more.

Why are you voting for me?

cases are scummy

-GE

[Off The Hook]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87781 - Chromatic Ascension, Dunn was Knight Beige
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=87638 - True Love
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=83971 - Forest Fire

some (semi-)recent samples of lurkscum Dunn
there could be others from games I didn't keep tabs on but it's hard to verify how his posting rate measures to each game without doing some fancy shit I lack the time for

-GE

I'm not lurking in the first 2 games, I'm town in the last game.

I can see that defense for CA but I call all the bullshit regarding True Love, your lover partner was probably the key reason you didn't get yeeted with extreme force that game.

-GE... AKA: BNUUY

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you wanna talk about why I'm doing this, Spiffeh, go right ahead.

But you cannot lead a Galron death overtop of me this way. It literally won't happen. If you want a Galron death, you're gonna need to talk with me and get me to relent on my position.

[Galron]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11837846

Polandball

[Galron]

If Notsci thinks I'm scum, he and Spiffy are moving into my scum pile along with Pav and Dunn.

[Off The Hook]

lol why is pav scum for you

-GE

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If Notsci thinks I'm scum, he and Spiffy are moving into my scum pile along with Pav and Dunn.

Okay, if you don't want to die I'm going to need you to stop making really bad posts like this.

Cause another post like this and I'll just kill you myself and be damned the optimal play. Bowser Jr. is town.

[Galron]

Bowser is making a really bad call here. Why should I relent even under threat?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, Galron you need to understand something.

You're alive basically at my mercy right now. That means the moment you stop being useful, I'm murdering you.

Right now, you have role utility but also you have vote utility.

The minute you start making bad reads and suggesting you're gonna try and kill townies, you lose half your potential utility. Even if you're town and wrong, the needle starts to push too far past "is this worth it" when you do that.

So that's like, your warning.

[Bowser Jr.]

A) cool beans
B) the only things from that game I remember was talking about ice cream, misplaying my role because I didn’t understand what Neapolitan did, and not killing hoopla when I knew I should have
C) it’s pretty obvious I’m disengaged
D) beetlejuice

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bowser is making a really bad call here. Why should I relent even under threat?

Because making bad calls, looking suspicious or trying to kill someone are not scum indicators all the time.

And if they were, you'd be dead right now.

[DeasVail]

That is 2 very good players who rarely agree, agreeing. That should tell you something.

[Galron]

lol why is pav scum for you

-GE

He's been under radar this entire phase while I've been put to the fire after he defended Juliet all day yesterday

[Dunnstral]

The problem LLD is that you acknowledge Galron is probably town but still want to eliminate me when I'm negative association with Galron. So you're playing for the 10% and not the 90%, and you don't seem to have a reason to be doing that or to think it's me.

I think Gamma's meta point backfired and he is arguing against himself.

[DeasVail]

That is 2 very good players who rarely agree, agreeing. That should tell you something.

This post was meant to be accompanied by

"I can't handle this stroking of Wisdom's ego, but otherwise, good post.

Galron I thought you were only voting Dunn as the biggest counter, not due to Dunn being in your scumpile"

[Galron]

Like, Galron you need to understand something.

You're alive basically at my mercy right now. That means the moment you stop being useful, I'm murdering you.

Right now, you have role utility but also you have vote utility.

The minute you start making bad reads and suggesting you're gonna try and kill townies, you lose half your potential utility. Even if you're town and wrong, the needle starts to push too far past "is this worth it" when you do that.

So that's like, your warning.

If you want to kill me, do it. But I'm not going to stop speaking my mind. I'm tired of this bullshit being pushed around in every game I play.

[Bowser Jr.]

@LLD the bottom line is that Galron is a sure thing as far as I'm concerned and I would match rather lim the sure thing now than later? From the scumteam perspective Galron is already a dead man walking and I don't believe we'll get any worthwhile reactions from them if we keep him alive.

Limming him now means he isn't given another chance to steal from anyone and stifling Town power. Limming him now means scum is forced to perform the kill with someone else giving GL a shot at tracking another team member to the nightkill. If he somehow flips Town here, we at the very least have a fullclear on Skybird. All of these things I find far more advantageous than any potential decisions or manufactured reactions scum will make about a player who's basically already caught.

~Spiffy

[Galron]

That is 2 very good players who rarely agree, agreeing. That should tell you something.

This post was meant to be accompanied by

"I can't handle this stroking of Wisdom's ego, but otherwise, good post.

Galron I thought you were only voting Dunn as the biggest counter, not due to Dunn being in your scumpile"

If you'd read my posts you'd see that is a false statement.

[Off The Hook]

galron whyd u pick rosencrantz

[Off The Hook]

lol why is pav scum for you

-GE

He's been under radar this entire phase while I've been put to the fire after he defended Juliet all day yesterday

lol are you scum with dunnstral?
I kinda felt like his number of interactions with you this phase has been possibly indicative of distancing
and pav is obvtown imo

-GE

[Lukewarm]

it's hard to verify how his posting rate measures to each game without doing some fancy shit I lack the time for

I did fancy shit because why not?

Spoiler:

So, I ran all three games that you linked as well as every game that I can remember playing with Dunn through the spread sheet. Calculated Dunn's percentage of all posts made day 1 compared to how many players were in the game, then did conditional formatting to color his higher post rate games green. (because you are positing that lurk dunn = scum dunn) to then see if there is any corrolation.

The conditional formatting guessed incorrectly 4 times, got it right 1 time, and then it did not give a result on his middle of the road game.

If anything, this is wrong more then it is right, and lurk Dunn = town Dunn.