Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Bingle]

Datisi, it’s page 6. Why aren’t you in town yet?

[Enchant]

Who the hell is echant

[Bingle]

I fucking hate autocorrect.

Okay, so mechanics:

JK is by far the strongest town role, so we can assume we don’t have it. If we do, they should play an aggressive game and aim for scum for the first two days because of the shot roles. Similarly IC is by far the weakest so we can assume we do.

Of the remaining roles, vig never ccs. If we get a vig claim, they get shot at night if scum. Tracker should hope to claim late and we all hypoclaim a cop target d2 before doing anything else so that if there’s a cop we still get the info.

There, that’s all of the relevant mech talk.

[Bingle]

Who the hell is echant

If you don’t know, you’re not a part of the club.

[Bingle]

VOTE: Fun and games

Serious vote.

[Datisi]

bingle, i've been obvtown since page two, try to keep up

[PenguinPower]

mmmm

[Bingle]

bingle, i've been obvtown since page two, try to keep up

But if I don’t scumread you you just get shot.

[Almost50]

we all hypoclaim a cop target d2 before doing anything else so that if there’s a cop we still get the info.

I'm against hypo claiming. I can crumb my results clear enough without. I don't want people hypo clearing scum that it becomes obvious who the real Cop is.

[Bingle]

Cop is one shot: them being outed is low risk on D2. In fact, scum specifically targeting for the cop is better than scum targeting for other prs/the cop clear, because theoretically the cop can still lose a 1v1. Also, hypoclaiming introduces topics of conversation like “why would you target echant, everybody knows echant is town. Well, except enchant. They don’t even know who echant is.”

[Almost50]

Cop is one shot: them being outed is low risk on D2. In fact, scum specifically targeting for the cop is better than scum targeting for other prs/the cop clear, because theoretically the cop can still lose a 1v1. Also, hypoclaiming introduces topics of conversation like “why would you target echant, everybody knows echant is town. Well, except enchant. They don’t even know who echant is.”

Well, I know

for a fact

the "Cop clear" can also be misyeeted anyway, so..

[PenguinPower]

[Something_Smart]

VC 1.1

VP Baltar (3)- Gamma Emerald, Datisi, Iconeum
Bingle (2)- PenguinPower, VP Baltar
Datisi (1)- Fun and Games
Iconeum (1)- Sleepless Assassin
Fun and Games (1)- Bingle

Not voting (5)- Almost50, Not_Mafia, SirCakez, Dunnstral, Enchant

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-11-23 23:00:00)

Mod notes: everybody in the club getting busy. skitter30 V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays. Datisi V/LA on Tuesdays and Thursdays. VP Baltar V/LA this weekend. Almost50 eats using his phone as a plate, like my sister.

[VP Baltar]

Is that true? Feel like there were a couple where we made it to day 3. Didn't Jungle Oligarchy go that long?

nope. i died n2 in jungle oligarchy and in that mini normal where you were a friendly neighbour, and n1 in that other mini normal.

i did keep spectating jungle oligarchy pretty closely after i died though, so it does feel a bit longer than two days for me.

Well there, solved for datisi. Yet him if he lives and I die

[Bingle]

Well, I know for a fact the "Cop clear" can also be misyeeted anyway, so..

Nah, I’m town this game.

[VP Baltar]

we all hypoclaim a cop target d2 before doing anything else so that if there’s a cop we still get the info.

I'm dumb at mechanics. Explain the logic here for me more.

[Datisi]

i am shocked you think i would ever shoot you </3

[Bingle]

Almost50 eats using his phone as a plate, like my sister.

A50 confirmed scum. Clearly using his status as the mods sister to find out who the prs are.

[PenguinPower]

good vote count - let's make it better

[Bingle]

we all hypoclaim a cop target d2 before doing anything else so that if there’s a cop we still get the info.

I'm dumb at mechanics. Explain the logic here for me more.

Cop should always act night one, so after N1 they’re a questionable existence named townie: otherwise known as not very useful. If everybody goes “if I were the cop I would have gotten result x on echant” we’re trading the inability for scum to suppress the result by luckykilling the cop (or a misvig on the cop) for an added chance of the scum working out who the cop is. But after night one is over, scum killing the cop is a pretty low priority for scum, so them working out who the cop is really doesn’t matter all that much. Also, it helps the vig to not shoot a potential cop clear if we have both, although that is less of an issue and we can talk about who vig should shoot if there are two kills tonight.

[Almost50]

Almost50 eats using his phone as a plate, like my sister.

A50 confirmed scum. Clearly using his status as the mods sister to find out who the prs are.

I plead "caught for the wrong reasons" and that this counts a "mod intervention" and thus seek dismissal if the case based on faulty procedure and failure to uphold my animal right.

[Almost50]

we all hypoclaim a cop target d2 before doing anything else so that if there’s a cop we still get the info.

I'm dumb at mechanics. Explain the logic here for me more.

Cop should always act night one, so after N1 they’re a questionable existence named townie: otherwise known as not very useful. If everybody goes “if I were the cop I would have gotten result x on echant” we’re trading the inability for scum to suppress the result by luckykilling the cop (or a misvig on the cop) for an added chance of the scum working out who the cop is. But after night one is over, scum killing the cop is a pretty low priority for scum, so them working out who the cop is really doesn’t matter all that much. Also, it helps the vig to not shoot a potential cop clear if we have both, although that is less of an issue and we can talk about who vig should shoot if there are two kills tonight.

Here's what I think will happen: EITHER.. Cop will target Scum and Vig will shoot them on N1, OR Cop will target Town.. the same TOWN the Vig is going to hit on N1. MARK MY WORDS AS ..

I've seen the future and will be

[Enchant]

Imo i will be spectical about all claims.

It's next to impossible to counterclaim. So Vig claim in game without Vig is practically impossible to caught without all PR claims.

[Bingle]

Meh. We can assume there’s an IC because it’s orders of magnitude less powerful than the others. Whether we have a vig should be pretty obvious pretty soon. Claims are a lot more straightforward to figure out than they seem in this game.

[Datisi]

enchant, you could always try forming some reads instead