Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[StrangeMatter]

I'm VT.

[Towelie]

StrangeMatter - Low ISO, distance in VFT wall, awkward voting patterns

I potentially agree here; when it was posted I felt that the stuff against your slot (EMMI at the time) from early VFT seemed particularly specific and uncharitable:

Emmi: dislike its original dunn vote, and it's later discussion around the original wagon feels hollow. i think it's last post 420 should have been an unvote, but wasn't. feels like it doesn't know how to engage with the game

whereas the stuff about SM seemed, well, as you said it, just vaguely distance-y.

-b

[StrangeMatter]

The thing is, I’ve seen people use association and they’ve been wrong most of the time. At this point I don’t think it’s a good way for people to try to read my slot.

[Towelie]

I mean the natural followup to this is, of course:

what would be a good way?

-b

[Jada]

SM, what are your reads?

I asked you to comment on mine and you never replied.

[Towelie]

heya
sorry for my/our absence

i think the best thing to do here is explain what my reads are and then go from there
(i've not discussed these with lilith, she's still not feeling awesome):

Gamma Emerald - probably wasn't the best thing to cc there but the motivation + frustration + thought process behind it was townie

Towelie - don't know yet. i think bork is easier for me to read of the 2 of them but he's feeling more ~muted~ than i saw the last couple of times i've played with him. like town-him was p obvious in perpetual elo, and once i knew what scum-him looked like was also very easy to pick out in tenet. i'm not seeing that here yet. nothing in particularly scummy, but nothing that i can really point to that makes me think town either.

MUSHSHAGANA - townish. kinda feels like she's focusing on tangents that are slightly different than what everyone else is focusing on (i.e. the timing of her critter push, and the sm push, for example), but she's sorting things / following up on things that are important to her in the moment. can kinda tell from how she writes that there's a lot of thought going on behind the scenes

E. M. M. I. - scum. dislike its original dunn vote, and it's later discussion around the original wagon feels hollow. i think it's last post 420 should have been an unvote, but wasn't. feels like it doesn't know how to engage with the game

Milk & Mocha - the whole trolling thing is kinda disappointing and annoying. i want them to really play and not just be doing whatever they're doing. i can't tell who's posting when which is also really annoying and making it a lot harder to read them. was kinda half-following along last night and thought the whole thing was a trolly joke, gamma scumread kinda made sense in that context. or didn't really make sense exactly but kinda fit whatever they were doing. but at this point gamma's reaction is p clearly town so i kinda hate that they're doubling down on that read + the claim. dunno not seeing a lot to like here tbh

Venus Fly Trap

- (will be) a shining beacon of towniness

Dunnstral

- town. this isn't scum-dunn. he's engaged + trying to move the game along + there's a depth of nuance here that i think is uncharacteristic of scum-him + he has actual reads and is trying to develop them

Wisdom - getting townvibes. like his ssbm push.

Lady Lambdadelta

- obvscum (i jest before people yell at me)

Something_Smart

- underwhelming, not sure i have much to say here. if he keeps being underwhelming that's +scum for him

Critter

- town. looks like he's really trying to understand the game + other people's mindsets. idk if his thought process always makes sense to me, but it amkes sense to him, which is what matters. like in some posts we get a little window into his thought process and how he's approaching the game and how he feels about it and i think it's real and townie (ex: 123 133 138, etc)

StrangeMatter - kinda scummy, and like focusing on the wrong things when they're here almost. or like the things that they're popping in to say are sort of ineffectual and aren't really motivated by trying to sort people or find scum.

Toogeloo/ssbm - conflicted: dunno if scum-toog picks that fight with ic-lld there + had some glimmerings of townpings on him prior to that. i don't tlike the ssbm iteration as much

~ skitter

just color coding this

the only thing that struck out at me N1 and i still believe it is that the Toog/ssbm read is not a buddy read; i feel like they could just ignore ssbm's entry into the game if it were w/o much blowback

-b

[Jada]

I feel like VFT was buddying critter.

[Jada]

Yeah, I suppose it's fine as long as you explain it eventually.

Whose response exactly are you waiting for?

That would be telling. Maybe it’s yours, right now, and I’m just playing out the game I’ve set.

Maybe it’s no one’s and I’ve actually lied in order to force this sort of engagement, and I’ll play it off like I had a plan all along when I get something worth picking at.

And maybe I’m watching the players outside of the two 1v1s to see which they gravitate to weighing in on, making hidden judgement calls on that basis, and building a map of where to hit.

Or none of the above. Again, you do not know. That’s the point.

I work best in the midst of chaos. A side effect of being a Discordian, maybe. Chaos has arrived, tis the season of Aftermath. Now the work begins, and I can’t very well do my best if I clear everything up for you, now can I?

Let it be noted I hate this. I have been working extremely hard to not hyperpost and not be in conflict immediately and you doing manipulative stuff (your words) makes me really wonder what Townie mindset there is for this. Has anyone played with her before to speak to this?

This in particular suggests Mush town.

[Towelie]

I don't necessarily disagree with the read but I don't see how flipped town's opinion here has bearing on that

-b

[Wisdom]

Its either mm or sm
The former softclaimed some PR and the latter VT
So the question is whether we think the last scum is goon

[Jada]

I don't necessarily disagree with the read but I don't see how flipped town's opinion here has bearing on that

-b

It's not Critter's opinion

alone

. His opinion doesn't even suggest Mush town. It's how VFT promoted that post, which I think was to create an explosive conflict there. Critter is vulnerable to those.

[Titus]

Its either mm or sm
The former softclaimed some PR and the latter VT
So the question is whether we think the last scum is goon

Why did your reads change?

[Jada]

Its either mm or sm
The former softclaimed some PR and the latter VT
So the question is whether we think the last scum is goon

Why did your reads change?

Fuck. I should not play when half asleep.

[Wisdom]

huh? I said the same two people yesterday

[Towelie]

ah ok. i see now that was one of the posts linked in VFT's reads list. That's probably not a conclusion I'd have come to from that but it's plausible

-b

[Wisdom]

Lol Titus with the alts

[Towelie]

It's not Critter's opinion alone. His opinion doesn't even suggest Mush town. It's how VFT promoted that post, which I think was to create an explosive conflict there. Critter is vulnerable to those.

ok this is prolly just town?

-b

[Jada]

Yeah. I wanted an alt to see something in particular, so I made Tamora's Angel. That bugs out for dead PTs so I had to retire it. I made this one for the same purpose and largely blew it.

I'm going to wait awhile before testing again.

[Wisdom]

Mental note to assume all alts are Titus

[Jada]

Mental note SM vanished when asked about reads

[StrangeMatter]

Ok so I’m just not allowed to type, especially on a phone. That’s some really bad faith.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Mental note SM vanished when asked about reads

Oh, this is my chance to check against someone else’s brain!

So, when ISOing SM, do you see a pattern in their posts or is it just me? I don’t want to bias you too much in case it’s an illusion but it’s something about the flow of almost every single interaction.

[Jada]

Ok so I’m just not allowed to type, especially on a phone. That’s some really bad faith.

When can you give reads? I am phone posting.

[StrangeMatter]

Honestly, though, I mostly only have a read on Wisdom, and I still don’t feel like it’s changed, just I can’t really try to do more with it since they’re really not open so I can’t tell what they’re even trying other than that. Everyone else I really haven’t read much else, I don’t think Gamma is lying either though.

[Wisdom]

You picked the wrong guy to faketunnel if you're scum (: