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Post Post #1975 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:06 pm

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I don’t have to ask you anything. There are what like 8 people voting you and I’m trying to correctly sort you. If you want me to stop doing that, just say the word.
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Post Post #1976 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:08 pm

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In post 1970, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1966, Cheeky Wings wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 1054, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1047, Datisi wrote:
In post 1041, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 919, Datisi wrote:and have you considered that i'm peeved because i'm being shitpushed for no reason?
I wouldn’t say it’s “for no reason” and you swiping at me for using that wording out of turn just to use it yourself shows a stunning lack of self-awareness. And what about the push on you is bad here? I and others think Ydrasse is town, you seem to have a problem with that, and on some level it feels scum-motivated.
pooky started shitpushing me because i wrote one post then ghosted the thread, and then he started pushing me for not scumreading him back, because apparently that means i am terrified scum who's afraid of getting into a small shitfight. i don't think it's too unrealistic to say that those reasons are obviously nonsense.

i pretty much explained why i didn't like your push on me. your accusations of me being annoyed and of me questioning others's reads of ydrasse seem to be automatically assuming the worst case scenario without actually considering what is more likely to be happening. and your claim of me being threatened by ydrasse being townread also makes no sense, because how is that a threat to me?
tbh the Ydrasse being a threat thing feels like you’re running with something I said like once and acting like it’s a key point for me, I really just feel like you were bothered by Ydrasse getting townread easily for reasons other than that you SR her
In post 1056, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1051, DkKoba wrote:
In post 1034, Datisi wrote:
In post 1025, DkKoba wrote:I hard townread datisi
Datisi who do townread. I want to create a town block ignoring this noise
try to convince me this is a genuine attempt at building a townblock and not a pocketing of the local village idiot?
I really cant rn but i think you're a valuable fulcrum player who helps keep town stable as ive seen it b4 and i want to wave off the pressure you're getting unjustly so you're able to shine.
At the very minimum in a scum me world im playing very subtoptomally doing so
interesting
What makes you call the pressure on Datisi unjust?
In post 1075, Gamma Emerald wrote:@dats I feel like you were actively avoiding giving a real opinion on what you thought of me+Ircher as a unit to keep stances open, think I’ve made that clear
I might ISO you to figure out why you SR Ydrasse but I’m not really driven to do so rn so you condensing it a bit would help even if it’s just highlighting the focal points for when I
do
ISO you for it
In post 1096, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1078, Datisi wrote:
In post 963, Datisi wrote:i'm scumreading her bc her intro read about me ghosting therefore me scum was very weird and obviously false, the backtrack she tried to do when i called her out on it was somewhat awkward, i feel like she's townreading me to placate me, and on the overall scale, she's done... nothing? like, you haven't responded to me asking where is she re-evaluating anything.
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The only thing that really stick out as really worth much is the bit about the backtrack, also don’t like you bringing in the idea that she hasn’t done anything because I feel like she’s done
some things
but not a lot
In post 1182, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why is it between us two :igmeou:
I’m not feeling tooo great about my Datisi SR and Deimos pushing me/Datisi as a dichotomy feels kinda yucky as a result


Gamma can you explain why you did that 180 on Dats?
It was a combo of the AtE hitting a certain chord for me, it not feeling like how he was acting in mini 2246, and the fact that Deimos asking about voting between me and Datisi felt very much like a false dichotomy.
Can you link/quote that game for me please?
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Post Post #1977 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:09 pm

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You know what, sure, just fucking vote me. You were talking about how I wasn’t getting upset like I had in the past but you had a problem with it when I did. You’re clearly not thinking straight here.
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Post Post #1978 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:13 pm

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In post 1977, Gamma Emerald wrote:You know what, sure, just fucking vote me. You were talking about how I wasn’t getting upset like I had in the past but you had a problem with it when I did. You’re clearly not thinking straight here.
Well then, please help me to fucking do that then.
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Post Post #1979 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:16 pm

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In post 1976, Cheeky Wings wrote:
In post 1970, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1966, Cheeky Wings wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 1054, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1047, Datisi wrote:
In post 1041, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 919, Datisi wrote:and have you considered that i'm peeved because i'm being shitpushed for no reason?
I wouldn’t say it’s “for no reason” and you swiping at me for using that wording out of turn just to use it yourself shows a stunning lack of self-awareness. And what about the push on you is bad here? I and others think Ydrasse is town, you seem to have a problem with that, and on some level it feels scum-motivated.
pooky started shitpushing me because i wrote one post then ghosted the thread, and then he started pushing me for not scumreading him back, because apparently that means i am terrified scum who's afraid of getting into a small shitfight. i don't think it's too unrealistic to say that those reasons are obviously nonsense.

i pretty much explained why i didn't like your push on me. your accusations of me being annoyed and of me questioning others's reads of ydrasse seem to be automatically assuming the worst case scenario without actually considering what is more likely to be happening. and your claim of me being threatened by ydrasse being townread also makes no sense, because how is that a threat to me?
tbh the Ydrasse being a threat thing feels like you’re running with something I said like once and acting like it’s a key point for me, I really just feel like you were bothered by Ydrasse getting townread easily for reasons other than that you SR her
In post 1056, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1051, DkKoba wrote:
In post 1034, Datisi wrote:
In post 1025, DkKoba wrote:I hard townread datisi
Datisi who do townread. I want to create a town block ignoring this noise
try to convince me this is a genuine attempt at building a townblock and not a pocketing of the local village idiot?
I really cant rn but i think you're a valuable fulcrum player who helps keep town stable as ive seen it b4 and i want to wave off the pressure you're getting unjustly so you're able to shine.
At the very minimum in a scum me world im playing very subtoptomally doing so
interesting
What makes you call the pressure on Datisi unjust?
In post 1075, Gamma Emerald wrote:@dats I feel like you were actively avoiding giving a real opinion on what you thought of me+Ircher as a unit to keep stances open, think I’ve made that clear
I might ISO you to figure out why you SR Ydrasse but I’m not really driven to do so rn so you condensing it a bit would help even if it’s just highlighting the focal points for when I
do
ISO you for it
In post 1096, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1078, Datisi wrote:
In post 963, Datisi wrote:i'm scumreading her bc her intro read about me ghosting therefore me scum was very weird and obviously false, the backtrack she tried to do when i called her out on it was somewhat awkward, i feel like she's townreading me to placate me, and on the overall scale, she's done... nothing? like, you haven't responded to me asking where is she re-evaluating anything.
@gamms
The only thing that really stick out as really worth much is the bit about the backtrack, also don’t like you bringing in the idea that she hasn’t done anything because I feel like she’s done
some things
but not a lot
In post 1182, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why is it between us two :igmeou:
I’m not feeling tooo great about my Datisi SR and Deimos pushing me/Datisi as a dichotomy feels kinda yucky as a result


Gamma can you explain why you did that 180 on Dats?
It was a combo of the AtE hitting a certain chord for me, it not feeling like how he was acting in mini 2246, and the fact that Deimos asking about voting between me and Datisi felt very much like a false dichotomy.
Can you link/quote that game for me please?
Like this, I don’t know what 2246 refers to, so a link or a quote would obviously help me know what you’re referring to.
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Post Post #1980 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:19 pm

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88015
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Post Post #1981 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:29 pm

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In post 1979, Cheeky Wings wrote:
In post 1976, Cheeky Wings wrote:
In post 1970, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1966, Cheeky Wings wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 1054, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1047, Datisi wrote:
In post 1041, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 919, Datisi wrote:and have you considered that i'm peeved because i'm being shitpushed for no reason?
I wouldn’t say it’s “for no reason” and you swiping at me for using that wording out of turn just to use it yourself shows a stunning lack of self-awareness. And what about the push on you is bad here? I and others think Ydrasse is town, you seem to have a problem with that, and on some level it feels scum-motivated.
pooky started shitpushing me because i wrote one post then ghosted the thread, and then he started pushing me for not scumreading him back, because apparently that means i am terrified scum who's afraid of getting into a small shitfight. i don't think it's too unrealistic to say that those reasons are obviously nonsense.

i pretty much explained why i didn't like your push on me. your accusations of me being annoyed and of me questioning others's reads of ydrasse seem to be automatically assuming the worst case scenario without actually considering what is more likely to be happening. and your claim of me being threatened by ydrasse being townread also makes no sense, because how is that a threat to me?
tbh the Ydrasse being a threat thing feels like you’re running with something I said like once and acting like it’s a key point for me, I really just feel like you were bothered by Ydrasse getting townread easily for reasons other than that you SR her
In post 1056, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1051, DkKoba wrote:
In post 1034, Datisi wrote:
In post 1025, DkKoba wrote:I hard townread datisi
Datisi who do townread. I want to create a town block ignoring this noise
try to convince me this is a genuine attempt at building a townblock and not a pocketing of the local village idiot?
I really cant rn but i think you're a valuable fulcrum player who helps keep town stable as ive seen it b4 and i want to wave off the pressure you're getting unjustly so you're able to shine.
At the very minimum in a scum me world im playing very subtoptomally doing so
interesting
What makes you call the pressure on Datisi unjust?
In post 1075, Gamma Emerald wrote:@dats I feel like you were actively avoiding giving a real opinion on what you thought of me+Ircher as a unit to keep stances open, think I’ve made that clear
I might ISO you to figure out why you SR Ydrasse but I’m not really driven to do so rn so you condensing it a bit would help even if it’s just highlighting the focal points for when I
do
ISO you for it
In post 1096, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1078, Datisi wrote:
In post 963, Datisi wrote:i'm scumreading her bc her intro read about me ghosting therefore me scum was very weird and obviously false, the backtrack she tried to do when i called her out on it was somewhat awkward, i feel like she's townreading me to placate me, and on the overall scale, she's done... nothing? like, you haven't responded to me asking where is she re-evaluating anything.
@gamms
The only thing that really stick out as really worth much is the bit about the backtrack, also don’t like you bringing in the idea that she hasn’t done anything because I feel like she’s done
some things
but not a lot
In post 1182, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why is it between us two :igmeou:
I’m not feeling tooo great about my Datisi SR and Deimos pushing me/Datisi as a dichotomy feels kinda yucky as a result


Gamma can you explain why you did that 180 on Dats?
It was a combo of the AtE hitting a certain chord for me, it not feeling like how he was acting in mini 2246, and the fact that Deimos asking about voting between me and Datisi felt very much like a false dichotomy.
Can you link/quote that game for me please?
Like this, I don’t know what 2246 refers to, so a link or a quote would obviously help me know what you’re referring to.
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Post Post #1982 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:32 pm

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I’m still not understanding Gamma’s case at all but reading that made me like Dats alot more.
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Post Post #1983 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:58 pm

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In post 1975, Cheeky Wings wrote:I don’t have to ask you anything. There are what like 8 people voting you and I’m trying to correctly sort you. If you want me to stop doing that, just say the word.
thats why im on the edge too.

i think whoever is on this acc rn is town for this specific reason -- we both have the similar thought process approaching gamma who is being pressured by multiple as well.

and some of this people also haven't made any great contributions either i believe.
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Post Post #1984 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:58 pm

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In post 1978, Cheeky Wings wrote:
In post 1977, Gamma Emerald wrote:You know what, sure, just fucking vote me. You were talking about how I wasn’t getting upset like I had in the past but you had a problem with it when I did. You’re clearly not thinking straight here.
Well then, please help me to fucking do that then.
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Post Post #1985 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:02 pm

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In post 1982, Cheeky Wings wrote:I’m still not understanding Gamma’s case at all but reading that made me like Dats alot more.
i understand the defense -- i don't understand the aggressive nature of gamma tho.

i already explaiuned for the defense part -- and im willing to help u consoliadte that .

but im assuming gamma will post more regarding their aggresive nature later
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Post Post #1986 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:37 pm

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Grandpa
do you think the current wagons are unjustified and if so, what are you gonna do about that?
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Post Post #1987 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:40 pm

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In post 1986, Taly wrote:
Grandpa
do you think the current wagons are unjustified and if so, what are you gonna do about that?
I was gon wait till gamma's response + cheeky

also need to get my work done -- expect to get my opinion / perspective on this whole fiasco later on (maybe around 12 am est)
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Post Post #1988 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:42 pm

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In post 1987, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1986, Taly wrote:
Grandpa
do you think the current wagons are unjustified and if so, what are you gonna do about that?
I was gon wait till gamma's response + cheeky

also need to get my work done -- expect to get my opinion / perspective on this whole fiasco later on (maybe around 12 am est)
forgot to include -- that this is wait is also because I want to sit down and look at the origin of this scum read and read the interactions with it hence why I asked for cheeky to show me
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Post Post #1989 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:42 pm

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Hmmm. Do I self combust the wagon I've begun on
Gamma
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when I know I've wrongly tunneled them as town before, or do I do something else?
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Post Post #1990 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:44 pm

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Nah I want a fresh face wagoned if I change.
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Post Post #1991 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:50 pm

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I'm reminded why I want D1's to be less than 5 days long if the plist is over 20.
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Post Post #1992 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:01 pm

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In post 1985, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1982, Cheeky Wings wrote:I’m still not understanding Gamma’s case at all but reading that made me like Dats alot more.
i understand the defense -- i don't understand the aggressive nature of gamma tho.

i already explaiuned for the defense part -- and im willing to help u consoliadte that .

but im assuming gamma will post more regarding their aggresive nature later
Please do because I already quoted those posts, so I don’t still understand why Gamma thinks my timeline is “broken”? I still don’t understand the reads progression on Dats.

I don’t really understand why it was directed against me in particular since I don’t think anyone has put as much effort as me into trying to sort him.
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Post Post #1993 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:02 pm

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In post 1989, Taly wrote:Hmmm. Do I self combust the wagon I've begun on
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when I know I've wrongly tunneled them as town before, or do I do something else?
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Post Post #1994 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:06 pm

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Omg that was a towny response what do I do now
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Post Post #1995 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:04 pm

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In post 1940, Gamma Emerald wrote:I am still not a fan of Ircher, besides that I’m not really that confident in anything
I acknowledge that Victorine is like, doing basically jack dick, but I replaced her in a game kinda like this one where she was town (big four mafia iirc). I also think the stuff about allusions to w/e are definitely things she’d do as town. She also just “finished” a scumgame where I feel like she actually played a fairly active early game?
I’m starting to doubt the Gamma wagon. Really the scummiest thing is the gif posting.
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Post Post #1996 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:06 pm

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In post 1982, Cheeky Wings wrote:I’m still not understanding Gamma’s case at all but reading that made me like Dats alot more.
like him how
In post 1985, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1982, Cheeky Wings wrote:I’m still not understanding Gamma’s case at all but reading that made me like Dats alot more.
i understand the defense -- i don't understand the aggressive nature of gamma tho.

i already explaiuned for the defense part -- and im willing to help u consoliadte that .

but im assuming gamma will post more regarding their aggresive nature later
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Post Post #1997 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:11 pm

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In post 1992, Cheeky Wings wrote:
In post 1985, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1982, Cheeky Wings wrote:I’m still not understanding Gamma’s case at all but reading that made me like Dats alot more.
i understand the defense -- i don't understand the aggressive nature of gamma tho.

i already explaiuned for the defense part -- and im willing to help u consoliadte that .

but im assuming gamma will post more regarding their aggresive nature later
Please do because I already quoted those posts, so I don’t still understand why Gamma thinks my timeline is “broken”? I still don’t understand the reads progression on Dats.

I don’t really understand why it was directed against me in particular since I don’t think anyone has put as much effort as me into trying to sort him.
You were the one that was asserting that my read change on Datisi came after Toog disclosing his target. So I’m proving how you are wrong in that. My progression on Datisi should eventually become much clearer, but for now I’m trying to demonstrate how it was not done under duress like you believe.
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Post Post #1998 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:13 pm

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In post 1970, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1966, Cheeky Wings wrote:
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In post 1054, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1047, Datisi wrote:
In post 1041, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 919, Datisi wrote:and have you considered that i'm peeved because i'm being shitpushed for no reason?
I wouldn’t say it’s “for no reason” and you swiping at me for using that wording out of turn just to use it yourself shows a stunning lack of self-awareness. And what about the push on you is bad here? I and others think Ydrasse is town, you seem to have a problem with that, and on some level it feels scum-motivated.
pooky started shitpushing me because i wrote one post then ghosted the thread, and then he started pushing me for not scumreading him back, because apparently that means i am terrified scum who's afraid of getting into a small shitfight. i don't think it's too unrealistic to say that those reasons are obviously nonsense.

i pretty much explained why i didn't like your push on me. your accusations of me being annoyed and of me questioning others's reads of ydrasse seem to be automatically assuming the worst case scenario without actually considering what is more likely to be happening. and your claim of me being threatened by ydrasse being townread also makes no sense, because how is that a threat to me?
tbh the Ydrasse being a threat thing feels like you’re running with something I said like once and acting like it’s a key point for me, I really just feel like you were bothered by Ydrasse getting townread easily for reasons other than that you SR her
In post 1056, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1051, DkKoba wrote:
In post 1034, Datisi wrote:
In post 1025, DkKoba wrote:I hard townread datisi
Datisi who do townread. I want to create a town block ignoring this noise
try to convince me this is a genuine attempt at building a townblock and not a pocketing of the local village idiot?
I really cant rn but i think you're a valuable fulcrum player who helps keep town stable as ive seen it b4 and i want to wave off the pressure you're getting unjustly so you're able to shine.
At the very minimum in a scum me world im playing very subtoptomally doing so
interesting
What makes you call the pressure on Datisi unjust?
In post 1075, Gamma Emerald wrote:@dats I feel like you were actively avoiding giving a real opinion on what you thought of me+Ircher as a unit to keep stances open, think I’ve made that clear
I might ISO you to figure out why you SR Ydrasse but I’m not really driven to do so rn so you condensing it a bit would help even if it’s just highlighting the focal points for when I
do
ISO you for it
In post 1096, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1078, Datisi wrote:
In post 963, Datisi wrote:i'm scumreading her bc her intro read about me ghosting therefore me scum was very weird and obviously false, the backtrack she tried to do when i called her out on it was somewhat awkward, i feel like she's townreading me to placate me, and on the overall scale, she's done... nothing? like, you haven't responded to me asking where is she re-evaluating anything.
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The only thing that really stick out as really worth much is the bit about the backtrack, also don’t like you bringing in the idea that she hasn’t done anything because I feel like she’s done
some things
but not a lot
In post 1182, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why is it between us two :igmeou:
I’m not feeling tooo great about my Datisi SR and Deimos pushing me/Datisi as a dichotomy feels kinda yucky as a result


Gamma can you explain why you did that 180 on Dats?
It was a combo of the AtE hitting a certain chord for me, it not feeling like how he was acting in mini 2246, and the fact that Deimos asking about voting between me and Datisi felt very much like a false dichotomy.
I’m not convinced Gamma is scum.

And then there’s the whole Gamma could have tried to change toog’s mind but instead he buries himself with that? I just don’t know.

I think that makes more sense after a hammer in twilight. His thought progression here is definitely better than in either FFIV or Stumps.
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Post Post #1999 (ISO) » Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:17 pm

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hi everyone taking a break from work.
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