Open 835: D6 | Songs About Ronald Reagan | Day 5

[Galron]

I didn't voice this yesterday, but I admit I was actually not liking Moz's posting, but I guess that may be bc he was a PR.

[Galron]

Also admit I don't understand the setup all that well, so I'll take A50 at his word on what we have.

[numberQ]

I don't think I've seen the episodes of Arrested Development Galron is quoting today

Gamma has dropped way down my reads list. I don't have time right now to say more about it because work. Still pretty sure Roden is town, though I haven't looked back at his stuff knowing the two flips yet.

pedit: afaict A50 is correct. A town tracker only exists if the I slot was rolled 4 times, which leaves 2 more rolls for the other slots. 1 P + 1 K = Bodyguard and 1-shot vig. 2 P = Doctor. 2 K = 2-shot vig.

[Galron]

I don't think I've seen the episodes of Arrested Development Galron is quoting today

They were in the episode where Buster mistakes Lucille II for a wolf.

[Gamma Emerald]

What does that mean he failed the vibe check?

It means his vibes this game are terrible. Pretty much every time I've faced scum!Roden he's pinged me a certain way, and his comment about Enchant not pushing his reads hit that note.

[Almost50]

Can anyone explain why Moz was the kill here? I don't see a crumb in his ISO, I don't think he made any serious reads, and I don't think he was globally TR'd even.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Roden
you failed the vibe check

But I do think kyouko hasn’t made much of a splash and might be scum as a result if enchant is town.

?

they can both be scum

[Roden]

VOTE: Roden
you failed the vibe check

What vibe?

Spoiler:

Early reads, in order from towniest to scummiest:

Town:
Roden
Penguin

Leantown:
A50
ssbm
redtea
Gamma

Null:
Galron
mozamis
Not_Mafia

Leanscum:
Enchant
Egix
Meg

Scum:
numberQ

I can elaborate on any of these if asked but I'm not going to elaborate on all of them right now, too much work.

I'm vibing with this reads list for the most part.

Why are you town reading Penguin?

If you take money from these people under false pretenses, you’ll be committing fraud.

VOTE: roden

VOTE: Galron

Ok, let's figure each other out. Are these serious votes? If so, why do you scum read me?

Start with the misdemeanors and then, we're gonna' push right on through to the lighter treasons:

Ughhhh...I'm gonna have to keep pushing discussion, aren't I?

I'm gonna unvote before this turns into a Thing
UNVOTE:

Considering no other things have happened or are happening, I say thing it up. Why is your vote better off the wagon than on it?

I'm trying to be a

little

more selective in my thinging

VOTE: gamma

that's me, being selective

Come on, that had to have been deliberate.

VOTE: redtea

Also Enchant wtf are you doing

I wanted quickhammer, but changed mind when noticed Mag was upset, and decided to hold for now.

Ok, but why do you want a quick hammer? And why is Meg posting emojis enough to stop you from quick hammering?

Why not?

Idk, honestly. Seems like i turned in wimp with high empathy when i am sleepy. Mostly i really don't care.

Why i am not sleeping?

Weeeeeeell! I need to go now seems.

This is also terrible.

Side note: Roden is prob town for actually having common sense around the whole quickhammer situation, and also Azumarill to a lesser extent.

TMI that me and Roden are town?

Somewhat agree with this. Shutting down early quick hammers is low effort town cred for scum, and doesn't even consider the possibility that Gamma could be my buddy and that I was trying to save him. That shouldn't really be seen as town indicative.

Egix, do you have a read on Gamma?

ok, sorry, didnt realise game had started, catching up, ty

It's been a day, and not much has happened since this post. Are you caught up yet? Do you have any opinions?

It is exactly the opposite:

VOTE: roden

I get that you're gimmicking this game, but it's obscuring your thought process. Can you explain your votes?

That's E-2/E-NM btw.

What's up Enchant? Do you have any reads?

Roden, you wanted to push me to explain why I was voting you, but when I voted for Enchant, you just let that go.

Oh hey, you're playing now.

I was getting almost nothing out of you, and what I was getting was just cryptic. I made it very clear that I was setting you aside for later so that I could evaluate Enchant better. I never said I didn't want you to explain anything, you've just chosen not to.

Probably because you all rush a elim over the weekend when i'm not active.

You dipped out of the game for awhile. :/

We were near EoD, and barely anyone was playing, so there wasn't much of a choice here. I was giving Enchant multiple chances to dismantle his wagon, but he just refused and gave up. And even if I hadn't hammered, NM was going to do it anyway because Enchant literally put himself in hammer range.

[MegAzumarill]

Morning

[MegAzumarill]

Catching up in a bit

[numberQ]

I was going to build a case on Gamma centered around his interactions with the Enchant wagon, but looking back through posts 202 until the hammer, I think I convinced myself those interactions were more town than not. I still think the vote on Galron was bad, but I changed my mind about Gamma being scum for now.

I poked around a few other ISOs to try and make sense of my reads in light of the Enchant flip. And I still like Egix for scum, though it would be nice to get some more activity out of him.

Can anyone explain why Moz was the kill here? I don't see a crumb in his ISO, I don't think he made any serious reads, and I don't think he was globally TR'd even.

moz voted N_M, TRed redtea, TRed Roden, soft TRed Enchant, and voted N_M again. Their case on N_M seemed to be purely policy as far as I could tell, so I don't think scum were setting up a mislim. If redtea or Roden are scum, maybe they wanted us all to see TRs come to them from a town flip.

Honestly though, I think there's a strong chance it was to provide us as little info as possible with the flip. You could argue Galron or N_M would be better choices if that was the goal, but A) maybe they're scum, and B) if they're town I think there was enough support D1 to mislim either of them that scum might bank on that happening later.

[redtea]

Wish enchant had explained their reads.

dae have experience with kyouko? The one game I played with them they were super engaged and pretty much led the town despite their suspicions, but also it was role madness so that might've been the driving factor.

[redtea]

Why are you refusing to pursue your scum reads and just settling with getting elim'd?

Because you will forget all what i say anyway. What sense in listening me?
I would't listen to me for example.

well there's the scum claim

How was this a scum claim?

Well the best and common thing for town to do here is drop all their thoughts.
The best and common thing for scum to do here is the say "nah whatever screw it I don't care anymore" so as not to give away any more info.

[redtea]

*sometimes scum makes a last ditch attempt to save themselves by throwing all their reads out there and saying things like "when I flip go after x tomorrow", but it rarely works

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Egix

Let's see how this goes

[Roden]

What does that mean he failed the vibe check?

It means his vibes this game are terrible. Pretty much every time I've faced scum!Roden he's pinged me a certain way, and his comment about Enchant not pushing his reads hit that note.

...Except he didn't push his reads, and he got voted out for it. Do you actually think giving up and accepting his mis-elim was the optimal play here? Because the reason he got voted was exactly because of that. He was focused more on teasing quick hammers than actually scum hunting.

Also I'm just taking this stance from you as that you're either scum fake vibe checking me, or you're town and admitting that you don't actually know how to read me at all. I'm not nearly this aggressive and active as scum, and I would never try to inject life into a dead game. I also wouldn't ever try to give Enchant a chance to save himself by giving him as many outs as I did.

You're free to show examples comparing my actions this game to past scum games though.

VOTE: Roden
you failed the vibe check

But I do think kyouko hasn’t made much of a splash and might be scum as a result if enchant is town.

?

they can both be scum

Then why are you voting me on vibes and not Kyouko when you scum read her through meta?

Can anyone explain why Moz was the kill here? I don't see a crumb in his ISO, I don't think he made any serious reads, and I don't think he was globally TR'd even.

No idea tbh. Which is probably the point, it's a low info kill in a low info game. Scum probably just got lucky with Mozamis being a PR.

[redtea]

This new meta of self-meta "I would never" needs to quit tbh

[redtea]

did I say that already
I'm saying it again

[redtea]

VOTE: Egix

Let's see how this goes

iirc he voted me without explanation and then peaced out
VOTE: egix

[Almost50]

Why am I( not being wagoned in this game?? I haven't done anything remotely beneficial and I have no clue on DAY TWO. Kinda feel intrigued tbh.

Also, as for the Moz kill I tried to see if someone had "extensive experience" with him. Turns out Gamma (8 games), Myself (7 games) and N_M (6 games) are the only players than count, and it would be hypocritic to accuse either of Gamma/N_M and pretend not to be a suspect for the same reason.

P.S. Search continues to work in a funny way. It fails to find ANY games for Moz that has Meg in them, and any for Meg that have Moz in them. Everyone else has at least THIS ONE showing, but for some odd reason "No suitable matches were found." shows every time I try searching for one of them in the other's topics.

[MegAzumarill]

I confirm I have not played with moz before.

[Roden]

This new meta of self-meta "I would never" needs to quit tbh

It's not self-meta but I can't really get into why.

[numberQ]

Why am I( not being wagoned in this game?? I haven't done anything remotely beneficial and I have no clue on DAY TWO. Kinda feel intrigued tbh.

Also, as for the Moz kill I tried to see if someone had "extensive experience" with him. Turns out Gamma (8 games), Myself (7 games) and N_M (6 games) are the only players than count, and it would be hypocritic to accuse either of Gamma/N_M and pretend not to be a suspect for the same reason.

P.S. Search continues to work in a funny way. It fails to find ANY games for Moz that has Meg in them, and any for Meg that have Moz in them. Everyone else has at least THIS ONE showing, but for some odd reason "No suitable matches were found." shows every time I try searching for one of them in the other's topics.

Are you trying to tell me 212 wasn't beneficial?

Anyway I like the pressure on Egix.

VOTE: Egix

[Gamma Emerald]

Then why are you voting me on vibes and not Kyouko when you scum read her through meta?

I didn’t mention meta lol

[Almost50]

Are you trying to tell me 212 wasn't beneficial?

Hmmm.. so why are we not frying the penguin already?