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[Milobird]

But I would like to add, that if it's not Mastina, I never said it was Mastina.

-Bell

[DkKoba]

why is it mastina?

[Milobird]

Tone

Har har.

-Bell

[Towelie]

why is it mastina?

I'm townreading literally everyone else not fullcleared besides pooky. But if i ever am townreading pooky hes probably scum.

[DkKoba]

What about her tone?

[Towelie]

I also could very easily see her role working well in combination with the mirror move role.

[Milobird]

why is it mastina?

I'm townreading literally everyone else not fullcleared besides pooky. But if i ever am townreading pooky hes probably scum.

I also could very easily see her role working well in combination with the mirror move role.

[Milobird]

Btw lemme know if this is wrong.

Living players:
Milobird (notscience + Bell)
Save The Dragons
Wisdom
imaginality
Gamma Emerald Alexandrite (MegAzumarill+Gamma Emerald+Yume)
WhemeStar
Titus The Goat
chowchow (Anonymous Hydra)
mastina
Truth Innuendos Lies (Nancy Drew + Marashu + Auro)
Malakittens Kitty Trauma Team (kuribo + Malakittens)
PookyTheMagicalBear Ralts
SirCakez
DkKoba Thestatusquo
MathBlade

Milobird has no clear but this is Bell's townplay and also notty looks insanely town af anyway.
Gamma Emerald's the rolestopper who counterclaimed Dwlee and is thus basically conftown here.
Truth Innouendos Lies is both obvtown from play and also the source of the cop guilty on Dwlee and thus IS conftown here.
SirCakez has a clear*, and is thus incredibly unlikely to be scum.
MathBlade has a clear*, and on top of that is a role incredibly likely to be town.
Titus is a friendly neighbor and is thus conftown.

*godfather's not flipped but confirmed to exist so all clears are not 100%

So removing that, it leaves:
Save The Dragons
Wisdom
imaginality
WhemeStar
chowchow (Anonymous Hydra)
Malakittens / Kitty Trauma Team (kuribo + Malakittens)
PookyTheMagicalBear / Ralts
DkKoba Thestatusquo (has roleclaimed but this roleclaim doesn't affect my read)

From there, I still have a townread on STD and Wisdom (I realize this isn't universal) and think that Malakittens and DKKoba are still less likely to be scum from play alone.

Which leaves my personal initial "PoE" (it's not really one since some of the names here aren't so much scumreads as much as "I personally cannot get a read there RIGHT NOW even if others can and think the slot is town") as:
{imaginality, WhemeStar, chowchow, Pooky} for 2 scum remaining.

This post seems too accurate to be real.
I have my doubts of course, I always get nervous because I never see scumstina claim d1 super early.
Also they trust tell'd at me and that makes me nervous.

I'm always nervous btw.
-Bell

[DkKoba]

:/

[Milobird]

Though I do appreciate they're
'lmk if this is wrong'
I don't think I've ever seen them talk that way as town before.

-Bell

[Milobird]

their* mgffgh

[DkKoba]

@mastina when you see this can you explain the thought process you went through to reach those reads so we can put this tinfoil to rest?

[Milobird]

Hey, you didn't want me to iso people and you didn't want me to try.

This is me not trying.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I think she's flown pretty under the radar off of the Gamma/Nancy townreads.

[Save The Dragons]

i don't really think it's mastina

[Milobird]

@mastina when you see this can you explain the thought process you went through to reach those reads so we can put this tinfoil to rest?

Why would you ever ask this I've read enough walls to last a life time. and scumstina is a waller just as much as townstina is, so what would that even show?

-Bell

[DkKoba]

Comprehensive List of Claims/Reads

, Version 1.0

T3

Pokemon:

Makuhita

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Bulk Up

Role:

extra attack for evolution

(speculation: evolution was an X-shot vig?)

Actions:

N1, did nothing? (not confirmed, but role wasn't evolved so presumed).

Notes:

(None)

Wisdom

Pokemon:

Huntail

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Dive

Role:

Nonconsecutive Follower (sees type of move target used, from Protective/Killing/Investigative/Misc.; couldn't use two nights in a row)

Actions:

Guess we'll never know, huh?

Notes:

Fuck y'all for extending the game because with Wisdom not speed-limmed we'd have already ended the game in a town win.

Alexandrite/Gamma Emerald

Pokemon:

Blissey

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Heal Pulse

Role:

Indecisive Rolestopper (prevents target from being affected by any move/role; cannot target the same player consecutively)

Actions:

N1, rolestopped mastina (granting her a 1x copy of his role); N2, rolestopped Milobird; N3, rolestopped Truth Innuendos Lies (this is the source of the failed nightkill); N4, rolestopped MathBlade; N5, ???; was nightkilled.

Notes:

(None)

WhemeStar

Pokemon:

Gardevoir

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Imprison

Role:

Fruit Vendor->Strong-Willed Friendly Neighbor

Actions:

N1, ???; N2, ???; N3, targeted PookyTheMagicalBear (nobody targeted Pooky N3), N4 ???; was nightkilled.

Notes:

(None)

The Goat/Titus

Pokemon:

???

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Splash?

Role:

Combined Jailkeeper Watcher (Targets a player; target is protected but roleblocked; learns whoever visited target)

Actions:

N1, targeted Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens and evolved. N2, Friendly Neighbor'd Milobird. (Milobird confirmed.)

Notes:

(None)

Truth Innuendos Lies

Pokemon:

Absol

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Future Sight

Role:

Informed 3-shot Delayed Cop (targets a player; receives their role the next night; could use this action three times; knew there was a Godfather in the game, later revealed to be

imaginality

)

Actions:

N1,

Dwlee

; N2, investigated SleepyKrew/Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/Mathblade, received the result of them being

town

; N3, ??? (but was killed before results); N4, was nightkilled.

Notes:

Was the N3 nightkill, due to Gamma Emerald's rolestop being the only killstop effect to work that night.

Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens

Pokemon:

Remoraid->Octillery

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

???->???

Role:

Neighborizer-permanent-Busdriver(busdrives self and neighborized target permanently)->???

Actions:

N1, ???; N2, targeted Milobird (this action failed due to Gamma Emerald's rolestop); evolved; N3, ???; N4, ???; N5, ???

Notes:

Was confirmed as town from

MathBlade

using a

Loyal Neighborize

on them N4.

SirCakez

Pokemon:

Solrock

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Wonder Room

Role:

Neighbor-Vigilante with

PookyTheMagicalBear

Actions:

N1, Vigged

Gypyx

.

Notes:

Was confirmed as town from

Firebringer

using a

Loyal Neighborize

on him N1.

SleepyKrew/Valkyrie Dimension/Critter

Pokemon:

Lotad->Lombre->Ludicolo

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Mega Drain->1x Dragon Dance->???

Role:

???->modified 1-Shot Universal Backup (chooses who to back up the role of)->1-shot Loyal Neighborizer (targets a player, forms a neighborhood with them; action fails if targeting scum)

Actions:

N4, neighborized

successfully

Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens

, conftowning them.

Notes:

Was confirmed as town from

Truth Innuendos Lies

investigating him N2 and receiving this result N3.

Sharing the Braincell/ssbm_Kyouko

Pokemon:

Azurill

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Attract

Role:

Lovedizer (target takes one more vote to eliminate)

Actions:

N1, ???; was nightkilled.

Notes:

(None)

Firebringer

Pokemon:

Rayquaza

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Dragon Dance

Role:

1-shot Loyal Neighborizer (once in game, targets a player, forms a neighborhood with them; action fails if targeting scum)

Actions:

N1, neighborized

successfully

SirCakez

, conftowning him.

Notes:

(None)

Ralts/PookyTheMagicalBear

Pokemon:

Lunatone

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Wonder Room

Role:

Neighbor-Vigilante with

SirCakez

Actions:

N1, Vigged

Gypyx

.

Notes:

Pooky never busses D1 so is basically conftown. Even if he weren't,

Spoiler: consider this

Also, no. I'm never clearing Pooky this game without a cop clear. I just can't.

Well then you're doing exactly what scum did because this should be all you need for proof of why Pooky is town:

If Pooky literally never buses his buddies D1 doesn't that cross into a trust tell? Like instead of "I'm always town if I say I am" it's "I'm always town if I say 'vote X' and X flips scum D1"?

Ugh. I just don't believe scum target TIL which would mean hoping Gamma targeted someone else. When scum have presumably used Perish Song on someone. Like, who else would Dwlee realistically have used Perish Song on?

And if there's a town power that could direct the scum kill onto Pooky surely someone would have claimed that?

So VOTE: Pooky

There must be some games where it would have been more beneficial for Pooky to bus scum D1. If it's just a case that he's not needed to do far, then why do people place so much weight on it? "Pooky has never bussed D1" feels fine to me in a way which "Pooky never busses D1" doesn't.

There must be some games where it would have been more beneficial for Pooky to bus scum D1. If it's just a case that he's not needed to do far, then why do people place so much weight on it? "Pooky has never bussed D1" feels fine to me in a way which "Pooky never busses D1" doesn't.

You continuing to push Pooky isn’t doing you any favours. He’s practically confitown for the one shot vig thing.

Clearly not everyone agrees with you.

I just feel there's something off when people are treating it 100% confirmation of Pooky town. If other people are loudly proclaiming this every game it happens then Pooky not advertising it himself is irrelevant. Effectively town's getting an extra N1 cop inno result in a quarter or so of the games Pooky's in.

I don't know, it just annoys me we've gone from about to lim Pooky to about to lim me just because of this tell that everyone treats as gospel.

Read what imaginality is saying there and read what you're saying now and think about that for a second.

Pooky is town.

That should be enough to elevate him to conftown levels for you.

Milobird

Pokemon:

??? (unclaimed as far as I know)

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

??? (unclaimed as far as I know)

Role:

??? (unclaimed as far as I know)

Actions:

N1, ???. N2, targeted Wisdom. N3, targeted Malakittens. N4, ???. N5, ???.

Notes:

Obvtown by play.

mastina

Pokemon:

Sudowoodo

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Mimic

Role:

Reflexive Role-copier (the first player to target me, I get a one-shot copy of their move/role)->One-shot rolestopper

Actions:

N1, received a rolestop (later revealed to be Gamma Emerald's); N2, rolestopped DKKoba.

Notes:

Well I know I'm town but objectively I've technically only got circumstantial evidence clearing me between my interactions with scum, scum's interactions with me, the unlikelihood of scum having both my role and Gypyx's, and that I am out of my scum range, but *shrug*, SOME fucks still don't see me as town so make of it what you will.

Thestatusquo/DKKoba

Pokemon:

??? (for DKKoba having said they've fullclaimed, I can't seem to find their pokemon.)

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Sturdy->???

Role:

Bulletproof->Nonconsecutive Delayed modified-Rolestopper which is a form of Roleblocker (targets a player; anyone targeting that player that night is roleblocked the following night)

Actions:

N1, evolved. N2, self-targeted (this failed due to me, mastina, rolestopping them); N3, could not act; N4, targeted MathBlade (this failed due to Gamma Emerald rolestopping them); N5, couldn't act.

Notes:

Personal townread. Claim doesn't seem like bullshit that was made up, and doesn't seem to be a scum role, either.

Save the Dragons

Pokemon:

Mareep->Flaafy->Ampharos

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Light Screen->Growl->Cotton Spore

Role:

Protection from non-Normal(type) moves (with link to Normal-type moves)->protect from harmful moves, prioritizing non-killing moves (one action stopped/night)->treestumps a player after their death.

Actions:

N1, evolved. N2, evolved. N3, targeted an unknown(unclaimed) but conftown player. N4, targeted MathBlade (however, this failed due to Gamma Emerald's rolestop).

Notes:

Personal townread. This feels like the same STD as I saw in Final Fantasy XIV, although I admit that objectively, he's within the POE.

chowchow

Pokemon:

Allegedly, Wurmple->Cascoon->Dustox (allegedly due to scum flip)

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Allegedly, Confusion?

Role:

Allegedly, Roleblocker that doesn't stop kills?

Actions:

Allegedly, evolved N1; Allegedly, evolved N2; Allegedly, no-action'd N3/N4/N5.

Notes:

The amount of 'allegedly' here should clue you in to chowchow's obstinance here as they've refused to claim without the use of pictures or gimmicks in their words whatsoever. They used pictures, then they used various 'chows' in their terms, so they've stubbornly refused to claim their actions without a gimmick making this hard to lock down for sure.

Is by POE probably just the last scum.



Version 1.0 because it took me an hour and a half to type this (started at 1:30, is now 3), and I am tired, I'm posting it, in spite of how it probably contains factual errors that I'll need to correct in 2.0, butyeah this is everything I think assuming I didn't make any errors.

actually nvm mastina you dont have to ^ milo please this is genuine and town as fuck

[Milobird]

I already read that one and is in fact another reason I get nervous about scumstina.

-Bell

[DkKoba]

ok atp i dont care because youre being intentionally obtuse about it

[Milobird]

Then again they could've been copying off of Wisdom's townie asf efforts. I thought he trust tell'd with that tracking he was doing, but I never said anything because
I do not defend people named Wisdom. They can defend themselves.
Or get murdered in cold blood before they can I guess.

-Bell

[DkKoba]

your tinfoil sux and needs better evidence if you think its going to convince anyone.


show us plausibility of scum mastina doing this


cite a game you saw this in.

im curious where you got this thought process from.

[Milobird]

Why would I ever try to convince anyone of anything, are you mad

[Milobird]

Kill us then

Bell's the easiest player on the site to read and I'm pretty fucking easy too.

I don't have time to tryhard. I'm flying by the seat of my pants, and she's my solve. She was my solve yesterday too.

[Milobird]

Oh, you misunderstood, I too thought that post was town asf, the massive one you quoted I mean.
I was saying that post made me nervous because I'm not sure scumstina is capable of that at their current evolution.
Given they've kinda been burned out as scum.

[DkKoba]

oh mathblade is conftown i keep forgetting lol

im paranoid of his scumplay bc this he is the most viable to manipulate this endgame in a way that lets him be assumed conftown but yeah


yall can have a pet PoE i want to keep myself and STD in it and if yall choose not to lim me twice in a row well

i do have a way to prove myself potentially still