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[Milobird]

How dare you have a life.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Please share.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Though yeah, I give you a hard time for making a catch up post promise and not an actual catch up post.
In fact I don't even think you really do catch up posts, so I don't even know why you said anything.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Like, just read the game and don't give a shit if people demand you post a reads wall.

Works for me.
Sometimes, I don't even read.

-Bell

[May and Brendan]

VC 7.01

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate someone

Save The Dragons (1):

DkKoba

PookyTheMagicalBear (1):

Save The Dragons

mastina (1):

Milobird

Not Voting:

mastina, Malakittens, PookyTheMagicalBear, SirCakez, MathBlade

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-11-20 15:00:00)

Mod Notes: lol this hacked ability challenge is incredibly hard. have to plan out my entire team just to make it past the first gym.

[Malakittens]

But I'm getting nervous yo.
The closer it gets to us losing an easy win. The more I feel compelled to give a shit.
and I hate giving a shit.

Usually me for this, but

I legit
Don’t give a shit

Anywhere
This game
Here nor there

[Malakittens]

I know I wanted to wait to see if today was better than yesterday but today is worse than yesterday

Like what in the literal duck

Just tell me who to sheep Titus

[MathBlade]

I know I wanted to wait to see if today was better than yesterday but today is worse than yesterday

Like what in the literal duck

Just tell me who to sheep Titus

If we hydra it should be zero ducks and our avatar should be a Fox

[Milobird]

My personal opinion and interpretation of the catch up posts is that:

STD was apologizing to his scum team buddies. Because he doesn't really ever do catch ups as actual town.

I also want to say that I'm sorry if wrong as I consider this probably my only real opinion this game.
Besides Gyphx ofc.

-Bell

[Milobird]

It can be rough to be misunderstood. So I don't really like saying stuff like that.
But them's the breaks of having an opinion.

-Bell

[Milobird]

VOTE: STD

-Bell

[Save The Dragons]

Smh

[Save The Dragons]

Well it cant be said I didnt try

[Save The Dragons]

Once again I was vla

[mastina]

titus was cleared
i was never choosing pooky because he wasn't hard cleared

Okay but SirCakez was cleared D2, a full day before Titus was.

[mastina]

We both think it's Mastina.

Fuck off.

[mastina]

Side note:

Math

isn't technically conftown but I'd bet he is town.

I don’t think

cakez

is a hard clear either

is

mala

cleared? i forgot

the PoE is 100% exactly [Me, StD,

Mathblade

] - i include mathblade because i think the way mathblade is playing this here is very much the way someone who wants to avoid entering PoE after suspects are confirmed flipped green play - but this is not something i see likely so mathblade dont omgus me bc i dont think thats likely its just a backup theory.

And here I thought y'all voting Wisdom was the biggest possible throw you could do this game.

If you're going to suspect literal 100% beyond all shadow of a doubt conftown here and at any point act on that suspicion, y'all literally deserve to lose for being literal 0-IQ gameplayers.

Malakittens was, successfully, neighborized by MathBlade, using a copy of Firebringer's Loyal Neighborize. As the scum godfather is dead and the scum backup is also dead, this is a 100% guaranteed clear.

MathBlade was, successfully, cop cleared by Truth Innuendos Lies. As the scum godfather is dead and the scum backup is also dead, this is a 100% guaranteed clear. "But mastina, what if MathBlade busdrove himself and someone else?" A valid theory in theory, but that falls apart when you realize that the night the result came in was the night that scum nightkilled TIL (but Gamma stopped them from doing so). If MathBlade was going to get a cop-generated false-clear on himself, why would he kill the cop before the cop actually generated said false-clear? We know that the scum killed TIL N3, and TIL received the cop clear on MathBlade D4, so MathBlade couldn't be scum here because he wouldn't have killed the cop before the cop generated the false-innocent. So this is, in fact, a 100% guaranteed clear.

SirCakez was, successfully, neighborized by Firebringer, the original Loyal Neighborizer. As the scum godfather is dead and the scum backup is also dead, this is a 100% guaranteed clear.

[mastina]

@mastina when you see this can you explain the thought process you went through to reach those reads so we can put this tinfoil to rest?

Sure can!

I'm in absolutely ZERO mood to do so tho.

I'm literally in the middle of a, once again, basically 1.5 hour long update to the List of Claims. I started it even before I made 5314, like at least 15 minutes before that post, and it is now an hour later meaning I've been at it for the better part of an hour.

I've ZERO fucks to give about defending myself when I've spent my time more

productively

in doing something actually

scumhunting

.

I'm fully

capable

of going through my entire iso if you'd like, step by step, and laying out the entirety of my thought process at every single stage! I can't

always

pull that off, but for some reason, in this game, right now, I actually AM capable of that feat!

I've zero desire to right now because frankly: I've got better uses of my time right now. Namely, solving the game.

[mastina]

actually nvm mastina you dont have to ^ milo please this is genuine and town as fuck

Side-note:
This is actually just me continuing Wisdom's work.

I opted for a more readslist-styled format (where I put everyone conftown in the order of the playerlist and everyone not-conftown in the order of my readslist, i.e., Pooky > Milobird >>> DKKoba > STD with me listed in there among DKKoba/STD due to me objectively not being conftown and me needing to make the list comprehensive), but where do you think I got the idea to do it from and got most of the notes which I used?

I literally took Wisdom's series of posts, the last being 4259, and adapted it to be more mastina-styled. I couldn't do what I wanted to with Wisdom's table format so I took my own, because I wanted to incorporate extra notes from my 4882, 4903, 4909, and 4958 into a single post.

Still tho.

I remain bitter as fuck that you're calling MINE "genuine and town as fuck", when really--Wisdom's was just as much if not more.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

We both think it's Mastina.

Fuck off.

[mastina]

Comprehensive List of Claims/Reads

, Version 2.0

T3

Pokemon:

Makuhita

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Bulk Up

Role:

extra attack for evolution

(speculation: evolution was an X-shot vig?)

Actions:

N1, did nothing? (not confirmed, but role wasn't evolved so presumed).

Notes:

(None)

Wisdom

Pokemon:

Huntail

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Dive

Role:

Nonconsecutive Follower (sees type of move target used, from Protective/Killing/Investigative/Misc.; couldn't use two nights in a row)

Actions:

Guess we'll never know, huh?

Notes:

Fuck y'all for extending the game because with Wisdom not speed-limmed we'd have already ended the game in a town win.

Alexandrite/Gamma Emerald

Pokemon:

Blissey

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Heal Pulse

Role:

Indecisive Rolestopper (prevents target from being affected by any move/role; cannot target the same player consecutively)

Actions:

N1, rolestopped mastina (granting her a 1x copy of his role); N2, rolestopped Milobird; N3, rolestopped Truth Innuendos Lies (this is the source of the failed nightkill); N4, rolestopped MathBlade; N5, ???; was nightkilled.

Notes:

(None)

WhemeStar

Pokemon:

Gardevoir

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Imprison

Role:

Combined Jailkeeper Watcher (Targets a player; target is protected but roleblocked; learns whoever visited target)

Actions:

N1, ???; N2, ???; N3, targeted PookyTheMagicalBear (nobody targeted Pooky N3), N4 ???; was nightkilled.

Notes:

(None)

The Goat/Titus

Pokemon:

Milotic->Milokaross

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Splash->Disarming Voice

Role:

Fruit Vendor->1-shot Strong-Willed Friendly Neighbor (cannot be prevented, but could be redirected)

Actions:

N1, targeted Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens (this action's failure is unexplained) and evolved. N2, Friendly Neighbor'd Milobird. (Milobird confirmed.); N6 was nightkilled.

Notes:

(None)

chowchow

Pokemon:

Wurmple->Cascoon->Dustox (allegedly due to scum flip D1)

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Confusion

Role:

Roleblocker that doesn't stop kills

Actions:

evolved N1; evolved N2; no-action'd N3/N4/N5.

Notes:

...Oops?

Truth Innuendos Lies

Pokemon:

Absol

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Future Sight

Role:

Informed 3-shot Delayed Cop (targets a player; receives their role the next night; could use this action three times; knew there was a Godfather in the game, later revealed to be

imaginality

)

Actions:

N1,

Dwlee

; N2, investigated SleepyKrew/Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/Mathblade, received the result of them being

town

; N3, ??? (but was killed before results); N4, was nightkilled.

Notes:

Was the N3 nightkill, due to Gamma Emerald's rolestop being the only killstop effect to work that night.

Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens

Pokemon:

Remoraid->Octillery

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

???->???

Role:

Neighborizer-permanent-Busdriver(busdrives self and neighborized target permanently)->???

Actions:

N1, ???; N2, targeted Milobird (this action failed due to Gamma Emerald's rolestop); evolved; N3, ???; N4, ???; N5, ???; N6, ???

Notes:

Was confirmed as town from

MathBlade

using a

Loyal Neighborize

on them N4.

SirCakez

Pokemon:

Solrock

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Wonder Room

Role:

Neighbor-Vigilante with

PookyTheMagicalBear

Actions:

N1, Vigged

Gypyx

.

Notes:

Was confirmed as town from

Firebringer

using a

Loyal Neighborize

on him N1.

SleepyKrew/Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/MathBlade

Pokemon:

Lotad->Lombre->Ludicolo

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Mega Drain->1x Dragon Dance->???

Role:

???->modified 1-Shot Universal Backup (chooses who to back up the role of)->1-shot Loyal Neighborizer (targets a player, forms a neighborhood with them; action fails if targeting scum)

Actions:

N4, neighborized

successfully

Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens

, conftowning them.

Notes:

Was confirmed as town from

Truth Innuendos Lies

investigating him N2 and receiving this result N3.

Sharing the Braincell/ssbm_Kyouko

Pokemon:

Azurill

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Attract

Role:

Lovedizer (target takes one more vote to eliminate)

Actions:

N1, ???; was nightkilled.

Notes:

(None)

Firebringer

Pokemon:

Rayquaza

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Dragon Dance

Role:

1-shot Loyal Neighborizer (once in game, targets a player, forms a neighborhood with them; action fails if targeting scum)

Actions:

N1, neighborized

successfully

SirCakez

, conftowning him.

Notes:

(None)

Ralts/PookyTheMagicalBear

Pokemon:

Lunatone

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Wonder Room

Role:

Neighbor-Vigilante with

SirCakez

Actions:

N1, Vigged

Gypyx

.

Notes:

Pooky never busses D1 so is basically conftown. Even if he weren't,

Spoiler: consider this

Also, no. I'm never clearing Pooky this game without a cop clear. I just can't.

Well then you're doing exactly what scum did because this should be all you need for proof of why Pooky is town:

If Pooky literally never buses his buddies D1 doesn't that cross into a trust tell? Like instead of "I'm always town if I say I am" it's "I'm always town if I say 'vote X' and X flips scum D1"?

Ugh. I just don't believe scum target TIL which would mean hoping Gamma targeted someone else. When scum have presumably used Perish Song on someone. Like, who else would Dwlee realistically have used Perish Song on?

And if there's a town power that could direct the scum kill onto Pooky surely someone would have claimed that?

So VOTE: Pooky

There must be some games where it would have been more beneficial for Pooky to bus scum D1. If it's just a case that he's not needed to do far, then why do people place so much weight on it? "Pooky has never bussed D1" feels fine to me in a way which "Pooky never busses D1" doesn't.

There must be some games where it would have been more beneficial for Pooky to bus scum D1. If it's just a case that he's not needed to do far, then why do people place so much weight on it? "Pooky has never bussed D1" feels fine to me in a way which "Pooky never busses D1" doesn't.

You continuing to push Pooky isn’t doing you any favours. He’s practically confitown for the one shot vig thing.

Clearly not everyone agrees with you.

I just feel there's something off when people are treating it 100% confirmation of Pooky town. If other people are loudly proclaiming this every game it happens then Pooky not advertising it himself is irrelevant. Effectively town's getting an extra N1 cop inno result in a quarter or so of the games Pooky's in.

I don't know, it just annoys me we've gone from about to lim Pooky to about to lim me just because of this tell that everyone treats as gospel.

Read what imaginality is saying there and read what you're saying now and think about that for a second.

Pooky is town.

That should be enough to elevate him to conftown levels for you.

Milobird

Pokemon:

Meditite->Medichan

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Detect(only???)->???

Role:

2-shot nerfed/ORIGINAL-Motion Detector (also known as a weak-voyeur, not weak-modifier, but literally

weakened

-voyeur; may be getting an official NRG-rebranded-name soon) / Activated Bulletproof->Flavor Cop / Rolecop (depending on target's evolutionary status); checks what someone evolves into and if they’ve evolved/can still.

Actions:

N1, immunity, triggering evolution. N2, targeted Wisdom (result: two evolutions, one neighborizer one follower). N3, targeted Malakittens (result; evolved). N4, targeted STD (result, STD is a 2-evolution pokemon). N5, ???. N6, ???

Notes:

Obvtown by play, but not conftown.

Milobird where's the N5/N6?

mastina

Pokemon:

Sudowoodo

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Mimic

Role:

Reflexive Role-copier (the first player to target me, I get a one-shot copy of their move/role)->One-shot rolestopper

Actions:

N1, received a rolestop (later revealed to be Gamma Emerald's); N2, rolestopped DKKoba.

Notes:

Well I know I'm town but objectively I've technically only got circumstantial evidence clearing me between my interactions with scum, scum's interactions with me, the unlikelihood of scum having both my role and Gypyx's, and that I am out of my scum range, but *shrug*, SOME fucks still don't see me as town so make of it what you will.

Thestatusquo/DKKoba

Pokemon:

Phanpy->Donphan

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Sturdy->???

Role:

Bulletproof->Nonconsecutive Delayed modified-Rolestopper which is a form of Roleblocker (targets a player; anyone targeting that player that night is roleblocked the following night)

Actions:

N1, evolved. N2, self-targeted (this failed due to me, mastina, rolestopping them); N3, could not act; N4, targeted MathBlade (this failed due to Gamma Emerald rolestopping them); N5, couldn't act.

Notes:

Was a personal townread. Claim doesn't seem like bullshit that was made up, and doesn't seem to be a scum role, either.

Save the Dragons

Pokemon:

Mareep->Flaafy->Ampharos

Move

(Role Flavor)

:

Light Screen->Growl->Cotton Spore

Role:

Protection from non-Normal(type) moves (with link to Normal-type moves)->protect from harmful moves, prioritizing non-killing moves (one action stopped/night)->treestumps a player after their death.

Actions:

N1, evolved. N2, evolved. N3, targeted

Titus

. N4, targeted MathBlade (however, this failed due to Gamma Emerald's rolestop).

Notes:

Was a townread. It felt like the same STD as I saw in Final Fantasy XIV, but today's events and last night's events make him look more suspect. Why Titus instead of SirCakez? His treestump only activates on the player's death. Treestumping Titus N3 didn't make Titus die N3; Titus was still able to vote and if she had a role, could've used it, up through N6.

In other words, using it on the known player whose role was expended instead of elsewhere is rather suspicious. Why not on SirCakez? He was clear but his role was unknown. Why not on TIL? They could've given us a third inno. Why not on WhemeStar? You get the idea. Plus, beyond that? The scum knew that MathBlade wasn't treestumped and wasn't able to be protected by DKKoba. Why was MathBlade NOT killed by the scum N6? And why did the scum know to target Titus?

Last night, aside from MathBlade, we had three conftown. Even with Malakittens not conftown on N3 (which diligent scum would be able to figure out), that's still a 50/50. How did they get it right?

I have my concerns about STD, and there's more not listed there (from other players who I read their points and didn't quote in my iso to +1 them, oops, but their points are valid and add to mine), so STD has some very ??? things going on.

[Milobird]

Unless my math is wrong we have 3 more eliminations.
I didn't know Cake was literally cleared, thanks Mastina. It's hard to keep up with this game on account of not keeping up with it. Because job.

Also it is midnight and I need to sleep now.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Yes, I did say the coattail Wisdom thing, didn't I.
But it doesn't matter. After Petapan schooled me on what raging scum looks like, I don't really think I'm going to be moved much by this kind of approach by Mastina.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I mean basically, all I have to do is murder everybody but me and we have a 50% shot at winning the game after we miss twice. I'm assuming we'll miss twice for dramatic effect and also because inexplicably this happens a lot lately.
Except for that one game by that person. Mountainous, pretty fun.

[Milobird]

Once again I was vla

My point has nothing to do with you having been V/LA and more you posting about catching up. When you're kind of not that kind of dragon.
But maybe you are. We'll find out.

-Bell