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@Gamma: I do not bait people into exhibiting scumtells. I wait for them to do it naturally. And I did ALWAYS try to apply that tell to you when I played you. It was just not as blatant as this time. I also always tried to avoid mentioning explicitly because you had told me about it in privacy (via a PM conversation) and I wanted to respect that. I only let it out this time because you demanded the explanation yourself. If you ISO me you'd see that I have tried to avoid explaining when others wanted me to.
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ok but you didn't have any trouble nailing him to a wall and murderifying him the last time he was scum(and that was like 5 hours into the game?) and you were town so uh, can you see why we are worried about your noncommitment here?In post 636, Datisi wrote:if i definitely declare my read on ico one way or another now, and i'm wrong, it's going to be extremely hard to correct it later.- Fun and Games
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i can see it. do you think i'm a miracle worker who, just because i once managed to figure out ico's alignment within 5 hours, i'm always gonna be able to do that? hell, this kinda thing has happened before. there are a few games where i nailed scum!bugspray in under 5 pages, and then there are later games where it took me much longer to read their alignment. my read rates on people aren't always consistent.
pedit: thank youI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Fun and Games
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Your whole reaction to my push feels scummy. Like you're trying to belittle it and make it seem insignificant.In post 620, Datisi wrote:that's not what i'm saying? i'm saying scum!you would be very aware you're wasting your time here. objectively, nobody is scumreading me other than you. and that is what you originally attacked me for.
push on enchant being that of lhf, anything else?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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In post 620, Datisi wrote:that's not what i'm saying? i'm saying scum!you would be very aware you're wasting your time here. objectively, nobody is scumreading me other than you. and that is what you originally attacked me for.
push on enchant being that of lhf, anything else?
Ok if you are town this is actually a good case though because that tell of not being paranoid is a good one and I've gotten caught from it beforeIn post 631, Datisi wrote:so, my out-of-the-fridge-overnight scumcase of vp baltar:
the last two games the two of us have played together are mini normal 2195 and mini normal 2207. for the purposes of this post, all you need to know about 2195 is that i was scum, baltar was town, and his read on me was... not very correct.
in 2207, we were both town. however, due to the game taking place some two weeks after 2195, it took us a while to figure that out. somewhat early on in the game, this sequence between baltar and luca took place: (bolded and underlined the currently relevant parts)
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in which baltar immediately pushed back on luca's townread on me, saying that it's way too early for it.
a little bit later on, i called him out for not having a read on me by that point (when i thought he should have one), and these are parts of our conversation that followed:
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and, my personal favourite:
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all of these are showing a healthy dose of paranoia of me. most of his play around me that game, especially early, was careful. he wasn't letting me pick up easy townreads, because he knew how much damage scum!me can do when i'm being townread.
compare these quotes to this game? it's night and day. there is NO paranoia, there is zero caution, he's calling me town for most flimsy reasoning of gut and vibes, he doesn't concern himself at all that the vast majority of the game is townreading me for potentially bad reasons. he's vibing. this is why i asked him to elaborate on his townread of me. without actually solid reasons, it just... felt like pocketing.
however, if he truly didn't remember that i was scum in 2195, and wasn't thinking of that game at all, then i'm not sure just how much of this scumcase is valid. typing it out, i do like it again, but ehhh.
as for the tinfoil of lying about not remembering a game that i mentioned in 603: if he realized that he's "forgotten" to show paranoia of me, and realized that i know he should be showing paranoia of me, then "haha i just didn't remember that one game where you had a good scum performance!" is a way to get out of being caught on the basis of not showing paranoia.
also, unrelated to the above, 483 and 489 are disgusting, but i have to run through some meta checks to see if they're scum!indicative. those meta checks require reading through a few isos to see if my memory of games that took place a year and a half ago is correct. that will have to wait, as that is not something i feel like doing on a friday night.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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nah fam, if i were scum i'd have gotten into a 10-page-long discussion with you where i would be mincing your words and going in circles and try to make you look as shit as possible. like, i'm sorry but your read on me is just bad. i'm not stopping you from trying to convince others about it, but i will be pointing out what i think is bad about it.In post 656, SirCakez wrote:Your whole reaction to my push feels scummy. Like you're trying to belittle it and make it seem insignificant.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- SirCakez
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Ok then I don't think this discussion can help this progress any more because we clearly disagreeBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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As I stated above, I think you're comparing two events that are very distance in time and circumstances from each other.In post 644, Datisi wrote:
of course, i wouldn't expect you to have paranoia about me in every single game we play forever. but even then, it's such a stark contrast. i'd expect you to pick up on some of my meta tells and learn from your mistakes, but i just have a feeling i'm not really seeing it being applied here?In post 638, VP Baltar wrote:It's kind of silly to think I should be super paranoid about you forever because I lost to you once as scum. Of course the game directly after that I am going to be super on guard about my own biases. Doesnt mean that paranoia is a life long affliction or that I didn't learn from those mistakes.
I don't really know what to say about a game I didn't even remember.
Like, you're trying to say my meta is I'm paranoid of you....but that is not really how I play this game in general. You're a good player for sure, but so is basically everyone is this game. Does that mean I shouldn't get gut reads on people based on the play I see in front of me?
I also meant it when I said I'll know you're scum if you continue to live too long. So I guess I'm just not worrying myself too much at this moment if my initial reaction to your play is fully accurate or not.YOUR AD HERE- Datisi
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i was mostly interested in the "i learned from those mistakes" part, but i might have misunderstood what you meant by it. after all, me usually getting killed as town is a thing. fine, you get to live for now.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- VP Baltar
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By that, I mean understanding when it feels like you're being manipulative in your approach to the game or asking earnest questions.In post 664, Datisi wrote:i was mostly interested in the "i learned from those mistakes" part, but i might have misunderstood what you meant by it. after all, me usually getting killed as town is a thing. fine, you get to live for now.
I don't think I'm an expert on the mysteries of datisi, but you're probably the person I've played with the most consistently since coming back to the site in 2019. So at least I have some baseline to reference when I feel a twinge of suspicion.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I don't think I ever said that, actually. Post 503 (which I assume is what you're referring to) is me saying that Dunn's take on your push on him was questionable, and that your play as a whole has given me weird feels. Those two things are mostly unrelated. Post 352 I talk about your push on Dunn, but more in a sense that you're not pushing other people and I'm not sure how I feel about that than that I dislike the push itself.In post 630, Fun and Games wrote:dont like me doing it
I can't really argue that I was super interested in voting Dunn (because I wasn't) but tbh I wasn't super interested in voting anyone. That's why I hadn't moved my vote off of you and why I'm sheeping A50 rn."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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?In post 639, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also scum!bingle likes to focus on mech vs. faking solving so townreading bingle for anything to do with mech is bad play
This is just wrong. My entire thing is that I mechspeak from a purely NAI place. Like, townreading me for mechspeak is bad, but I don't particularly lean into it as scum over town. I mechspeak exactly as much as I feel the situation calls for it, regardless of my alignment, because my first interest in mafia is from a game theory/design standpoint and I find the social manipulation/deduction to be secondary (but still fun). More, you know that. We spent an entire game in a mason chat where I got so bored with the solved game that literally all I did was mechspeak."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I don’t remember being in a masonry w you ever lolWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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Can I be a provisional member of the Olds? I'm only 29 but I've had heart issues since I was 15, a bum leg that sometimes requires a cane because of nerve damage, Sciatica, chronic migraines and have had Shingles twice. Also, hair loss that leaves me oddly reminiscent of A50's avatar. And I rant about how the youths are ruining my mafia.In post 625, VP Baltar wrote:We accept you as a provisional member of the Olds. A few more years and you'll be in the inner circle. (There is IcyHot)"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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OK1, modded by some monkey.In post 669, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don’t remember being in a masonry w you ever lol
I was Queen Latifa."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Oh dear. It seems someone in here has truly buried themselves before even getting to know the hole they’d dug for themselves.We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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Have you never played a game where I was town before?In post 480, VP Baltar wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: dunn
Legit think there are two scum in (Dunn, Gamma, enchant, Ico)
Game is moving too fast and they can't keep with the pace. Sleeper scum in the actives. - Dunnstral
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