Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Enchant]

Dunn what your play as town?

[Dunnstral]

Dunn what your play as town?

It's not uncommon to see me slacking in posts at the start of the game.

[Bingle]

but more in a sense that you're not pushing other people and I'm not sure how I feel about that than that I dislike the push itself.

I am pushing other people ...

~ skitter

Sorry, I worded that poorly, although I think following the link makes my wording fairly clear.

I thought it was strange and noteworthy that you were pushing Dunn over a flimsy vote on you when you were ignoring my own flimsy vote on you. I also thought it was weird that you took exception to gamma defending enchant based on pookys game when I also defended enchant based on pookys game. I don’t remember if there were other people involved.

I didn’t think you were avoiding pushing people in general but people, me, in specific.

[Bingle]

Is there any particular reason you snipped the context that that was explaining a post literally half the game before it and presented it as though I was saying you're not pushing people right now?

[Bingle]

Um I think this is pretty important and also in that case Bingle’s objection actually seems pretty relevant? And I seriously forget where I said that but how one you’re only just now using it when we’ve played several times pretty recently with no mention of it, or attempts to bait me into exhibiting that tell?

I agree that my question seems pretty relevant given that A50 was voting you for blowing a little thing that didn't matter out of proportion and my question was whether the fact that you were making a big deal out of what seemed like a pretty easy to clarify misunderstanding.

I disagree that that negatively impacts the strength of his case on you, and in fact think it strengthens it.

[Fun and Games]

Is there any particular reason you snipped the context that that was explaining a post literally half the game before it and presented it as though I was saying you're not pushing people right now?

I didnt realize that that was the crux of your argument in 352

Also i didnt really have anything to say at the time about your vote, so i didnt

Now i do think your reasons for being sus of us are silly and shallow

~ skitter

[Bingle]

Now i do think your reasons for being sus of us are silly and shallow

My reasons for being 'sus' of you, as it were are that I think you're tonally different than I'm used to from you. I'm not really 'sus' of you, but rather confused about your play and trying to figure it out. And I feel like every time I try to engage with you like this you start painting a picture that I'm crusading for your elimination, when that's pretty blatantly not the case.

There's an entire world of difference between "Why are you acting weird" and "You're scum" and I feel like every time I ask the former you respond like I said the latter. And I'm trying to understand why.

What do you make of A50's Gamma case?

[Fun and Games]

I dont think i'm trying to say that you're trying to flip us at all, that's partly why i didnt feel like i had much to say about your vote.

And i get that that you're saying i feel weird, which i also recognize is not the same that as you explicitly calling us scum, but when you talk about your view of the game and who you scumread, you talk about us in the same convo as your scumreads, which is where i'm getting that vibe from (503). So i dont think me reading it that way is entirely unreasonable

Also i dont get what your complaint is that pooky wasnt here for a particular part of the game

I dont particularly agree with a50's gamma case, but i beliebe that a50 believes it, and i feel that gamma is independantly scummy

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Also i dont get what your complaint is that pooky wasnt here for a particular part of the game

I thought he was just joking lol

[Fun and Games]

He's referenced it several times, o thought it was serious

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

he is not great at comedy

you would think he'd stop beating a dead horse

[Fun and Games]

I thought it was strange and noteworthy that you were pushing Dunn over a flimsy vote on you when you were ignoring my own flimsy vote on you.

you're third in post count and engaging the game state in multiple ways.

Dunn is dead last and barely playing.

[Bingle]

And i get that that you're saying i feel weird, which i also recognize is not the same that as you explicitly calling us scum, but when you talk about your view of the game and who you scumread, you talk about us in the same convo as your scumreads, which is where i'm getting that vibe from (503). So i dont think me reading it that way is entirely unreasonable

Also i dont get what your complaint is that pooky wasnt here for a particular part of the game

I didn't talk about you in the same convo as with my scumreads though?

503 was formatted in paragraphs:

P1 -> Townreads
P2 -> People I found weird and was hoping to solve further
P3 -> Scumreads

So I guess, yeah, I talked about you in the same post as I talked about scumreads, and I never explicitly said I was more null on SA than outright scumreading, so I guess that makes sense.

And the Pooky thing was a slightly more than RVS but less than real reads thing where I knew he was nominally around the site but he didn't check into the thread, and I think it's marginally more likely that scum would wait to get on the same page as their partner than town would. I haven't been pushing it because I think the other explanation (he was busy with other things) is equally likely in this case.

[Bingle]

you're third in post count and engaging the game state in multiple ways.

Dunn is dead last and barely playing.

Fair at this point, but when you started pushing Dunn I had mostly been memeing. I don't actually think I'd posted content other than my obligatory mechspeak or the flimsy vote on you with the flimsy logic before I started wondering why you weren't concerned about it.

[Bingle]

you would think he'd stop beating a dead horse

Better than betting on it.

[Fun and Games]

Fair at this point, but when you started pushing Dunn I had mostly been memeing. I don't actually think I'd posted content other than my obligatory mechspeak or the flimsy vote on you with the flimsy logic before I started wondering why you weren't concerned about it.

ok and at that point dunn had like 3? posts.

we didn't really push dunn until he reacted to our vote hella scummily with a "why r u readflipping on me"

which makes no sense to us because I don't see how he really thinks skitter was townreading him on "hi"

I thought your flimsy vote on us was either a joke or fishing for scum oppurtunism and I could see maybe you were possibly up to something and I might as well let you do what you want to do and see how it shakes out - whereas dunn was not doing much if anything?

[Fun and Games]

And the Pooky thing was a slightly more than RVS but less than real reads thing where I knew he was nominally around the site but he didn't check into the thread, and I think it's marginally more likely that scum would wait to get on the same page as their partner than town would. I haven't been pushing it because I think the other explanation (he was busy with other things) is equally likely in this case.

I was moderately drunk and basically decided to fulfill my mod duties and then pass out asleep

I did send skitter some pictures of this amazing dinner I had :3

[Fun and Games]

the flimsy vote on you with the flimsy logic before I started wondering why you weren't concerned about it.

Because its a flimsy vote with flimsy logic at a stage of the game where that vote wasn't gonna matter too much, i wasn't concerned about it and didnt have much thoughts on it

And ok i read 503 and me/sa being included in your scumreads

And r.e. pooky i think the game you're referencing was him modding, which i'm not sure is in the dame like 'bucket' so to speak for ellitell purposes

~ skitter

[Bingle]

we didn't really push dunn until he reacted to our vote hella scummily with a "why r u readflipping on me"

which makes no sense to us because I don't see how he really thinks skitter was townreading him on "hi"

No I get that. That part made sense. The weird part to me was the engaging Dunn over me before he did the whole “F+G 180’d on me” bit.

And yeah, the almost sorta Ellitell on pooky is a complete nonissue at this point, it was just a thing to push in the absence of better things to push.

[Fun and Games]

Fair enuf!

what are your present thoughts on gamma and penguin?
(And i would ask abt ico/dats as well but i believe u said u were waiting there)

~ skitter

[Bingle]

I think maybe I was reading too much into your initial Dunn vote and you were reading too much into my confusion about you, and that might explain why I’ve felt your play was so weird. I’ll go back and reread things in the morning, but I feel a lot better about your slot now.

[Fun and Games]

I mean i still think dunn is scummy and think it's a good vote, but it is possible i was reading too much into you're saying i was being weird

Not sure i feel better abt u tho, if we can talk abt other slots when you have a chance that would help some!

But g'night if you're going to sleep now!

~ skitter

[Bingle]

Fair enuf!

what are your present thoughts on gamma and penguin?
(And i would ask abt ico/dats as well but i believe u said u were waiting there)

~ skitter

I think gamma is scum. Basically I’m getting the feeling that he’s trying to present the thread in a certain way. Particularly the post when he said my “objection” to A50s meta tell was relevant seemed manipulative.

Pengy hasn’t really been doing anything but isn’t getting a lot of attention. I think if baltar is scum they have a lot of equity together, but I’m also townreading baltar so I’m not super worried there atm.

I think you’re wrong about ico/dats being S/S. Making the ico read this drawn out seems like a weird way to go for dats if they’re buddies. They’d have to know that the longer they drew it out the worse it would look if they failed to produce results and it’s not like one of them would die conveniently over the night at some point to prevent the need for a grand reveal or follow through. Unfortunately, I could easily see either of them being scum at this point: dats leaning on ico being absent to not have to engage as much is a tinfoil I have, and there’s just a whole lot of nothing from ico.

[Fun and Games]

Thanks that's helpful, outside of u and dunn those are the slots i am worried abt the most tbh

I dont think we're gonna get much else out of dunn for now

Want to try this now

VOTE: gamma

[PenguinPower]

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