Anything uPick (Endgame)

[Ircher]

Sure. I'll flip town tho, but okay

This was also townie. It may seem like an easy statement to fake, but the phrasing and underlying tone is key. It's not a defeatist attitude, but at the same time, it acknowledges the game state and what may be better overall.

[Cheeky Wings]

if u want to argue about something we can argue about how the fuck does ur hydra partner think we are town. Fucking clearly wrong.

Are you saying I'm wrong to doubt my hydra partner's read on your slot?
~C

[GrandpaMo]

ok time for rp to set the scene

gpamo, the surgeon puts firebringer on the operating table.

nurses ircher and jjh assist mo

i ask for a 2inch blade

ircher gives me the 3 inch suggesting its better (secretly they want to kill firebringer)
jjh suggest the 1 inch (because they think the 2 inch will kill them)

they start fighting... next thing u realize the patient dies...

Firebringer flips

1- shot town aligned compulsive triggered publishing role-cop

[jjh927]

I mean, I asked you about why you felt that Victorine appeared to be excited to play the game and I thought your answer wasn't very convincing

You asked this before Victorine started seriously engaging with the thread. Your outlook would probably be different now even if you come to the same conclusion.

You're right that it's quite different now but I still think your approach to Yume started on weak grounds that have rather tainted any ability you have to influence me on my Yume read barring definitive logical points

[Good Luck Buddy]

if u want to argue about something we can argue about how the fuck does ur hydra partner think we are town. Fucking clearly wrong.

Are you saying I'm wrong to doubt my hydra partner's read on your slot?
~C

i was making a joke to lighten the mood. u seemed upset with my last post.

[GrandpaMo]

Back to the GMo-Vic attempt at solidifying Victorine's faked post restriction into something less obviously faked, I should probably go quote the post that really set me off

Okay we know you are there now Yume

Don't run away from us again

I haven't forgotten your me-catching skills, by the way.

Cool- are you willing to state any reads

JJ...

Vic is giving you a hint.

Vic is a player that knows you.

Think.

It is also a layer that knows Firebringer.

HOW do you make this link? How does anyone see 3429 and make the conclusion that Yume was giving me a hint with that post?

BECYAS ETHEY LITERALLY SAY "I havent forgotten your me catching skills" that IMPLIES THAT THEY WERE HINTING AT A PLAYER THAT KNOWS U DUH!

[GrandpaMo]

ew i sound cirnge. pls disregard my last post sorry.

[Ircher]

Victorine Are You Allowed To Explain Your Post Restriction In Detail Or Is That Part Of The Restriction

I am required to post 1000 or more words 5 times per game day.

Also, I'm going to point out that while I think Victorine has in fact by this point met this requirement (if quotes and spoilered stuff count), it doesn't appear to me that she has actually been actively trying to stay true to this. What I mean is that given her night ability depends on her meeting her post restriction, I would feel scum!her would be more incentivized to actually fulfill the requirement.

[GrandpaMo]

omg is ircher's defense of vic actually real

[Ircher]

What made you think it was false?

[Deimos27]

I mean, I got there because GMo seemed to be interpreting things in a really leapy way

I'll clarify.

I do suppose the interaction was very slightly +equity for Mo being informed about Victorine's flavour, but I didn't buy your firm confidence in that associative, nor the reasoning behind it that Mo's intent would have been some intricate plan to get everyone to believe the post restriction.

Because (a) no one was ever gonna believe the post restriction anyway; that ship sailed 100 pages ago
And (b) what is the scum motivation exactly? If people magically did believe the post restriction how would that actually have justified Victorine's previous failure to try to work around the post restriction and try to any degree to participate in the game? What reason did scum have to think establishing the truth of a Victorine post restriction would result in Victorine tr's?

Let me know if I'm entirely misunderstanding your case

If you'd

only

said the "Mo seems to be interpreting things in a really leapy way, I don't get how they arrived at their inference of the flavour claim, it looks informed" bit, then I would've been like "yeah, ig I can kinda see the slight +equity for those two having a PT" (slight because it is also mitigated by Mo's decision shortly thereafter to bus Vic, what's the point)

Your reasoning was what was bizarre to me

But it's ok I came around you might be town for it regardless

[Good Luck Buddy]

i wish to communicate something the mod has related to me and pooky:
this is mod confirmed and paraphrased so no mod kill

one of the low posting posters, is in fact low posting.

[Deimos27]

lol i could care less about vic.

lmfao

all that shit and that energy is fake to me. i just wanted to have fun while exectuing it

can we now vote or what

VOTE: victorine

I doubt Visterene's PR is preventing them from playing the game.

But then again RC did include something more bastard than a super Janitor here, so Idk what to believe.

i wouldnt be suprised if loft is scum

actually

VOTE: loft

i wanna see where this leads

yes @diemos

Wait no I misunderstood this timeline Mo's vote on Vic was a million years ago
What was quoting these supposed to establish

[Deimos27]

Honestly I thought SS was just really committed to replacing Queen and didn't think for a second it was actually a post restriction

What did you think of

GrandpaMo’s

post just before this one?

I think this is an exercise in theatre by scum!GrandpaMo to make scum!Victorine's post restriction more believable

Oh no nvm this comes before that so yeah the timeline is correct

[Sakura Hana]

doesnt mafia have way more liability to bus vic now?

fwiw -- its way better just to take the equity of bussing vic rn since vic is in a shitty spot and there is atleast one person in the mafia scum pt that has approached the idea of bussing/...

lets not concern ourselves with bussing/whiteknighting or anything else until i get a GOD DAMN FLIP

There's 2 flips right there, we're clearly on day 2 after limming toog and scum NK'd koba.

[jjh927]

Sure. I'll flip town tho, but okay

This was also townie. It may seem like an easy statement to fake, but the phrasing and underlying tone is key. It's not a defeatist attitude, but at the same time, it acknowledges the game state and what may be better overall.

Subject: A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

Yo NicoRobin, is Mastina faking the trigger condition for her gladiate ability

No, she was just lying about being loyal.

Then again, why even ask? You will scumread me no matter what, because that's the only way you can save mastina, and you will ignore any and all posts which don't fit into your narrative.

Get ready to burn when I flip town.

kthxbai

[Deimos27]

i wish to communicate something the mod has related to me and pooky:
this is mod confirmed and paraphrased so no mod kill

one of the low posting posters, is in fact low posting.

Galaxy brain stuff

[Good Luck Buddy]

There's 2 flips right there, we're clearly on day 2 after limming toog and scum NK'd koba.

I WANT A FLIP FROM VOTING SAKURA!!!!!!!!

U KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT!?!?!?!?!?!

[jjh927]

And here is a meta-based counterargument of my own

I thought it would be pretty obvious what my flavor is by now, and if you know my flavor, you know my restriction.

- Red

First you sign “wolf” now “red” and we’re supposed to tr you for that?

RC told us that flavour is nai. None of that makes you town.

Do townie things and I’ll unvote you. I want to see you try to solve. Why are you still voting Sakura?

Shutposting is my way of doing townie things. If you really studied my meta as Gamma claims, you would know this. You do you.

Besides, when Firebringer shitposts, everyone gives him instant townie pass. Yet when I do it, I am instantly scum.

url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10495484]Subject: A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6[/url]

And more importantly, why should she get a free pass for lurking - the thing that's in her actual scum repertoire - when I get scumread for lurking over and over again, despite it being a town trait for me?

[GrandpaMo]

I mean, I got there because GMo seemed to be interpreting things in a really leapy way

I'll clarify.

I do suppose the interaction was very slightly +equity for Mo being informed about Victorine's flavour, but I didn't buy your firm confidence in that associative, nor the reasoning behind it that Mo's intent would have been some intricate plan to get everyone to believe the post restriction.

Because (a) no one was ever gonna believe the post restriction anyway; that ship sailed 100 pages ago
And (b) what is the scum motivation exactly? If people magically did believe the post restriction how would that actually have justified Victorine's previous failure to try to work around the post restriction and try to any degree to participate in the game? What reason did scum have to think establishing the truth of a Victorine post restriction would result in Victorine tr's?

Let me know if I'm entirely misunderstanding your case

If you'd

only

said the "Mo seems to be interpreting things in a really leapy way, I don't get how they arrived at their inference of the flavour claim, it looks informed" bit, then I would've been like "yeah, ig I can kinda see the slight +equity for those two having a PT" (slight because it is also mitigated by Mo's decision shortly thereafter to bus Vic, what's the point)

Your reasoning was what was bizarre to me

But it's ok I came around you might be town for it regardless

scum!me would have hard defended vic just like in open 810

LOL and then used the wifom shit out of that defense after runniing the wagon on vic

u should really check out that game. i somehow won

[Sakura Hana]

There's 2 flips right there, we're clearly on day 2 after limming toog and scum NK'd koba.

I WANT A FLIP FROM VOTING SAKURA!!!!!!!!

U KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT!?!?!?!?!?!

I do.

[Cheeky Wings]

Victorine Are You Allowed To Explain Your Post Restriction In Detail Or Is That Part Of The Restriction

I am required to post 1000 or more words 5 times per game day.

Also, I'm going to point out that while I think Victorine has in fact by this point met this requirement (if quotes and spoilered stuff count), it doesn't appear to me that she has actually been actively trying to stay true to this. What I mean is that given her night ability depends on her meeting her post restriction, I would feel scum!her would be more incentivized to actually fulfill the requirement.

OK that one I was thinking too.
UNVOTE:
~C

[Good Luck Buddy]

There's 2 flips right there, we're clearly on day 2 after limming toog and scum NK'd koba.

I WANT A FLIP FROM VOTING SAKURA!!!!!!!!

U KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT!?!?!?!?!?!

I do.

This love is meant to be

[GrandpaMo]

lol i could care less about vic.

lmfao

all that shit and that energy is fake to me. i just wanted to have fun while exectuing it

can we now vote or what

VOTE: victorine

I doubt Visterene's PR is preventing them from playing the game.

But then again RC did include something more bastard than a super Janitor here, so Idk what to believe.

i wouldnt be suprised if loft is scum

actually

VOTE: loft

i wanna see where this leads

yes @diemos

Wait no I misunderstood this timeline Mo's vote on Vic was a million years ago
What was quoting these supposed to establish

u told me if i was scumreading vic i said yes

[Deimos27]

If scum!Victorine wanted to coast in this game, she would have just kept up her minimal engagement with the game. That's not at all what happened. Over the course of today, she has offered significant amounts of information unrequested from her.

I will update this to say that the unrequested part is a stretch, but the overall point still stands that she was much more engaged than I would expect her to be if her goal is simply to survive.

The wagon grew very rapidly prior to her real engagement
In fact, her engagement appears to have paused the wagon, more or less
So I'd say the engagement could very well be seen to have been pressured out of her