Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Iconeum]

Like Ico's thread re-entry feels super weird to me.

It's difficult for me to believe it's like a real stream of consciousness catchup, it feels manufactured and fakey.

but you have more experience with Ico than I do, so I'm asking you what you think of the way he re-entered the thread.

meh

it probably feels forced because… it is forced
i don't like catchups, but i do them anyway

the only way for me to actually not be forced is like direct engagements and there's been like 0 of that so far

sad life

[Iconeum]

cuz reading his catchup it reminded me of that time ico/me were scum together in kids with lungs and the dude would basically lurk and then "catchup" in "bursts" where he would post like 20 times in a row and not actually interact with the thread in any way.

yeah please metadive and tell us what you find

i'm not gonna explain my personal life ITT

[Iconeum]

i feel like Fun and Games should be better at this then 'omg ico posted a lot in sequence and i saw do him that as scum this one time, he's prob scum here as well'

[Fun and Games]

That's incredibly reductive

~ skitter

[Iconeum]

i have a tinfoil theory that involves Fun and Games, Datisi and myself… i'm probably getting heat for this but i don't really care lol

Fun and Games' scumread on me feels really weak. They are pushing Datisi as associative with me because they know i'm yeetbait and the *one* thing standing in their way for easy achievement of that is Datisi townreading me

So this could literally be scum!Fun and Games (damn that name, i tried abreviating that) pushing town!tisi into some sort of corner with regards to my slot, trying to 1) make sure there's no town!tisi defending me and 2) stopping potential town cohesion from forming

[Iconeum]

That's incredibly reductive

~ skitter

you say i feel weird to you because i posted in bursts, which i did in a scumgame. Not gonna deny that part, but you should also have seen me do that in towngames as well. Because it's nai.

you say i feel flat, which you should have seen me do in both scum and town games.

i don't really recall any other points you brought up so yeah

[Iconeum]

and the way you seem to be forcing Datisi in taking a stance on me feels off as well. you know that he's capable of reading me, yet you keep forcing the issue

[Iconeum]

Datisi's case on VP, I think Dats is genuinely believing what he's seeing here...
town!tisi? oh man if my gut on Fun and Games is right i'm gonna be so happy i don't think i've ever caught scum!skit, let alone scum!pooky

[Fun and Games]

and the way you seem to be forcing Datisi in taking a stance on me feels off as well. you know that he's capable of reading me, yet you keep forcing the issue

so you are saying town!me would not try to get Datisi to take a stance on you because ?

[Fun and Games]

you say i feel weird to you because i posted in bursts, which i did in a scumgame. Not gonna deny that part, but you should also have seen me do that in towngames as well. Because it's nai.

I actually haven't seen you post in non interactive bursts in a towngame before.

Do you have an example of you posting in a 10+ post burst in a town game for me to look at?

[Iconeum]

i can see it. do you think i'm a miracle worker who, just because i once managed to figure out ico's alignment within 5 hours, i'm always gonna be able to do that? hell, this kinda thing has happened before. there are a few games where i nailed scum!bugspray in under 5 pages, and then there are later games where it took me much longer to read their alignment. my read rates on people aren't always consistent.

pedit: thank you

here you even admit that expecting you to be able and read me within 5 minutes of thread presence is wrong, why are you giving me crap about it then?

[Datisi]

yes

[Iconeum]

and the way you seem to be forcing Datisi in taking a stance on me feels off as well. you know that he's capable of reading me, yet you keep forcing the issue

so you are saying town!me would not try to get Datisi to take a stance on you because ?

ofcourse you would, but i feel you would be less pushy about it
i dont see a benefit in forcing the matter for town!you

[Datisi]

you seem very balls to the wall there. feels a bit scummy

why is that scummy?

[Fun and Games]

ofcourse you would, but i feel you would be less pushy about it
i dont see a benefit in forcing the matter for town!you

Sorting you/him is part of solving the game.

[Iconeum]

you say i feel weird to you because i posted in bursts, which i did in a scumgame. Not gonna deny that part, but you should also have seen me do that in towngames as well. Because it's nai.

I actually haven't seen you post in non interactive bursts in a towngame before.

Do you have an example of you posting in a 10+ post burst in a town game for me to look at?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=31100

first towngame i found randomly going through the list, already shows me doing that

[Iconeum]

you seem very balls to the wall there. feels a bit scummy

why is that scummy?

i don't remember you taking those kinds of fights as town

[Iconeum]

ofcourse you would, but i feel you would be less pushy about it
i dont see a benefit in forcing the matter for town!you

Sorting you/him is part of solving the game.

i mean

yeah
that's the game ain't it

the question is why you are so adamant on *forcing* a read out of a player, rather then seeing it come naturally

[Datisi]

are you genuinely trying to tell me you don't think town!me argues with people who scumread me?

[Fun and Games]

ofcourse you would, but i feel you would be less pushy about it
i dont see a benefit in forcing the matter for town!you

Sorting you/him is part of solving the game.

i mean

yeah
that's the game ain't it

the question is why you are so adamant on *forcing* a read out of a player, rather then seeing it come naturally

I see behavior from you that looks scummy

I ask Datisi about a read on you because I know he is fairly good at reading you, probably better than me as a second point of reference.

Why would I not ask him?

[Fun and Games]

you say i feel weird to you because i posted in bursts, which i did in a scumgame. Not gonna deny that part, but you should also have seen me do that in towngames as well. Because it's nai.

I actually haven't seen you post in non interactive bursts in a towngame before.

Do you have an example of you posting in a 10+ post burst in a town game for me to look at?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=31100

first towngame i found randomly going through the list, already shows me doing that

reading your iso from this game

the way you catch-up initially is much more interactive and you do actually talk to people...

here you just post a string and then dip so it's not exactly the same thing?

[Sleepless Assassin]

I'm a little surprised to see Iconeum come in without a word about or to me.

hello i am dragon, who are you?

Just some guy. I also happen to think you're scum so that's a thing too.

[Iconeum]

are you genuinely trying to tell me you don't think town!me argues with people who scumread me?

i'm not talking about arguing

it's the bravado

[Iconeum]

tho maybe i'm just reflecting - it reminds me how i sometimes just try and take the 'in your face approach' as scum

[Datisi]

i take that approach as scum

mostly because i take it as town and have to fake it as scum

soooooo