Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

This going to go down the route of Gensokyo where we did really well to unite on voting out scum the first 2 votes and then completely fall apart following that, isn’t it

[Milk & Mocha]

not if we kill wisdom today!

[Wisdom]

This going to go down the route of Gensokyo where we did really well to unite on voting out scum the first 2 votes and then completely fall apart following that, isn’t it

nah mm will end it

[Milk & Mocha]

So he's being arrogant at 11:12, since he has me at E-2 and I'm the only one voting him, says its inevitable I die.

Gamma voteflips to him 1 minute later making it 2-2 btw Me/Him.

He reacts by voting himself - this is emotionally manipulative, he's hoping to convince Gamma to change his mind and get back on me.

Claims he's totally fine with dying "have it your way"

Claims he will site quit if I survive? like lol what? Mush has already claimed she will shoot me and if I somehow survive I just get voted out the next day so wtf does this even mean?




Mush calls Wisdom's bluff and votes him 1 minute after his self-vote, putting him at E-1.

He IMMEDIATELY backs down and "changes his mind" now he's no longer happy about self voting because its basically game over for him if it goes through.

The risk of self-voting is much different at E-2 and E-1, dude can't stand the heat so now he goes back into AtE screaming about how I'm "OBVSCUM"

like lol why?

why even commit to that level of AtE if you're town and MM is 100% scum to you? There's nothing for you to gain from it because like even if you flip town, MM gets shot overnight so who the fuck gives a shit?


so ofc here it comes:




Now it is a LOSS for town!wisdom if he gets elimmed! Even IF the town ends up winning?

Like lol WHAT?

see at 11:14 am he was cool with self voting and being elimmed if it leads to MM getting shot overnight cuz town wins?

and then at 11:17 he's no longer willing to self vote to kill himself.

and now at 11:23 he "considers mis elims of his own slot to be "game loss" REGARDLESS OF THE ACTUAL GAME OUTCOME"



Like cmon this is just a shitty self-vote gambit gone wrong and now he's twisting like a pretzel to try to desperately squirm out.

[Wisdom]

i got triggered by gamma voting me because i thought he had my back
Thats all

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Milk and Mocha
sorry if this is wrong but the scum that endgamed in gensokyo was literally pooky on an alt
so if I'm going to avoid a repeat occurrence the first step is to cull the transgressor in the first instance

[Milk & Mocha]

r u really voting me out this game because I played to win in a previous game

w i l d

[Gamma Emerald]

I had a suspicion of you that I didn't prosecute to the fullest in that game that turned out right. As such, you being suspicious in this game means you need to die now while I can ensure it goes through.

[Milk & Mocha]

mush will shoot us at night if wisdom doesnt end the game

what r u even worried about dude

[Milk & Mocha]

Wait wait hold up. MY MOMMA BEAR IS HERE?!

[Milk & Mocha]

Where is titus? where!

[Milk & Mocha]

ohhh I see I see. haiiiiiiiii o/

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Gamma, where am I shooting this night phase if it gets that far? I don't care who else has whatever they want to say -- I know the bears will say Wisdom, and I care about no other player but Noraa/Pooky and you right now. Where am I shooting?

[StrangeMatter]

This going to go down the route of Gensokyo where we did really well to unite on voting out scum the first 2 votes and then completely fall apart following that, isn’t it

Okay but, I'm never letting you live that game down Gamma.

Also hello I am here still, gonna catch up.

[StrangeMatter]

We probably should get a consensus on who we want shot tonight I guess.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, where am I shooting this night phase if it gets that far? I don't care who else has whatever they want to say -- I know the bears will say Wisdom, and I care about no other player but Noraa/Pooky and you right now. Where am I shooting?

Wisdom if we lim M&M, M&M if we lim wisdom

This going to go down the route of Gensokyo where we did really well to unite on voting out scum the first 2 votes and then completely fall apart following that, isn’t it

Okay but, I'm never letting you live that game down Gamma.

Also hello I am here still, gonna catch up.

you can eat it because had I had my way D3 we would've won then but everyone decided "hey let's flip onto the guy who helped organize 2 scum elims in a row and is also has a penchant for choosing literally any elim that is not his own/any of his TRs" so I voted for LLD which was the easier alternative to pull off. After that the game just snowballed.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I read a page or two
Then I skimmed
Then I skipped

Still voting MM, Mush can shoot wis if she wants but I think shooting at me is better assuming MM doesnt end it.

I'll repeat that in this scenario, we are guaranteed for one of 2 situations: Gamma survives and has another result, or Mush survives and is able to shoot again the following night.

Just elim M&M.

[Towelie]

I'm clearly sandbagging here because again I don't feel particularly good about the gamestate. Usually I can identify town here by examining who's paranoid that we've misconstrued the gamestate, but like outside of mush i'm not seeing that from really anyone.

@SM - I don't feel like I have any idea what you think about anything. Any reads you're confident in?
@ssbm - why is a you shot better than a Wisdom shot FYPOV (assuming M&M flips town at that point)?

-b

[Towelie]

like if one of M&M/Wisdom is scum here they're both willing to die on this weird ass "at least I got vigged over elimed" hill?

I've just never really seen anything like this.

-b

[Wisdom]

i think pooky just knows game is over so he wants this little ego win

[Towelie]

Here's a better way to put why I feel weird about it:

A townie that is as confident as both claim to be in the other being scum should really be ok self-voting here, but this weird "matter of pride" thing that is creeping into the angles here is indeed making me wonder whether there is a substantive difference between getting elimed vs vigged that actually lies behind this.

p-edit: It could be this too, in which case I am going to roll my eyes fucking hard postgame. But it is probably why you both have to die at this point; I think I'm probably reiterating Mush here though.

-b

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm clearly sandbagging here because again I don't feel particularly good about the gamestate. Usually I can identify town here by examining who's paranoid that we've misconstrued the gamestate, but like outside of mush i'm not seeing that from really anyone.

@SM - I don't feel like I have any idea what you think about anything. Any reads you're confident in?
@ssbm - why is a you shot better than a Wisdom shot FYPOV (assuming M&M flips town at that point)?

-b

I think I am more useful to the town dead, because I am an easier mislim. Take away what is easy, make scum work harder, maybe they are more likely to slip up or overplay their hand.

i think pooky just knows game is over so he wants this little ego win

also i think this is what is happening which is why I'd like to just eliminate M&M and move ln if we're wrong

[Milk & Mocha]

I know i die to a vig shot

I don't know if he dies to a vig shot

and I know he can openwolf and get away with it so I have 0 confidence you ever catch him after I die


if i self vote and wisdom scum wins out i would be helping to gamethrow

[Wisdom]

it scares me we think this much alike

if we're both town we'll prolly lose this ._.

[Wisdom]

i have no clue where to even begin if youre town

sm makes the most sense based on play, but it could be titus too i guess? i really dont think its kyouko

and then these two both mean the last scum is goon which makes little sense