Newbie 2082 - Game Over

[catboi]

Yes, I tried to lead a flashwagon ton my teammate off town yesterday and went to sleep with him as the leading wagon. Good job.

[igorsprite]

The jailkeeper should claim today with their targets, absolutely. I assume they targeted the scum carrying the nightkill, because I wouldn't expect scum to not be aiming for a PR with how narrow things were.

i was the target again

[catboi]

The jailkeeper should claim today with their targets, absolutely. I assume they targeted the scum carrying the nightkill, because I wouldn't expect scum to not be aiming for a PR with how narrow things were.

i was the target again

You don't know that - it's possible you were roleblocked by the mafia with the mafia trying to kill someone else.

[igorsprite]

The jailkeeper should claim today with their targets, absolutely. I assume they targeted the scum carrying the nightkill, because I wouldn't expect scum to not be aiming for a PR with how narrow things were.

i was the target again

and i'm not lying btw

[catboi]

It worked out I guess. Still, probably a mistake to end up with them being the same standard as most players but it worked out.

Also, I have to ask: is this you

not

claiming jailkeeper? Because if so we really need to talk.

[catboi]

Setup Information

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

If there is a town jailkeeper and town tracker, there is a mafia roleblocker. So it's not guaranteed that the jailkeeper targeted igorsprite.

[igorsprite]

Setup Information

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

If there is a town jailkeeper and town tracker, there is a mafia roleblocker. So it's not guaranteed that the jailkeeper targeted igorsprite.

but why they don't kill me? ._.

[catboi]

I have no idea. It's possible they just banked on being able to block you and kill the jailkeeper.

[StrangeMatter]

It worked out I guess. Still, probably a mistake to end up with them being the same standard as most players but it worked out.

Also, I have to ask: is this you

not

claiming jailkeeper? Because if so we really need to talk.

Well, I am not the jailkeeper that's for sure. The only reason I said nothing was to hopefully get Mafia to guess if I am or am not Jailkeeper.

[catboi]

...lolme, I guess. But well played on your part.

That means one of two people I was struggling with is going to be cleared, though, and that feels very useful!

[catboi]

If we don't vote Igor out tonight (i'm not implying that's the default, i just think we're a long way off from verifying him) I could offer to check his role by asking him to tell me who I visited, if anyone?

Seriously though WTF

[frogsfrogs]

Two no kills and some confirmed jailor info today is lifesaving.. Uuugghhh that last minute greeting town self vote.

[frogsfrogs]

Pseudo.... TT_TT

[Val89]

Lol, there is absolutely no way on earth Val-town comes into today, having completely blown two elims in a row, and still thinks I'm scum. Just no re-evaluation or self-awareness whatsoever.

You took my post to mean I wasn't at least prepared to re-evaluate here?

If a JK SM had bit the dust last night, I admit I was fully preparing myself to make wall post after wall post about how all your actions yesterday made sense from a scum perspective and gone to my grave arguing we were losing to a Catboi (RB) - MafMen (Goon) team, told you so's at the ready.

But that didn't happen, and I'm not. Your post reads pretty overly-defensive in that light, to my eyes.

SM went totally under my radar yesterday on the assumption scum!you spewed him town. Its possible a town!you could have been labouring under the same assumption that leads to a misclear there, and if it is a misclear, that opens up a few more possibilities in my eyes.

I don't every think, regardless of catbois alignment , that frogs-catboi are the team. Does that need explanation, or is that common ground?

Are we in MELO today or not?

[catboi]

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to eliminate.

No, we're not in MELO.

[Val89]

Well, that does change things.

I thought a no kill might have in fact been deliberate, but if its given us a free shot today, that seems much less likely.

I'm on mobile and travelling, but I will relook again over everything tonight. SM not being clear here may well change things considerably.

[frogsfrogs]

Val, what does the "overly-defensive" read of catboi's post mean. You just saying that or do you seriously think it's a bad post? Because I can't understand the latter

[Val89]

I think it was pretty clear that I wasn't automatically coming in with the view "catboi is 100 percent scum" and nothing had happened to make me reevaluate that. Catbois posts 1024 and 1025 seemed to come from the viewpoint that I was.

It looked a little bit like catboi didn't actually read my post fully, or did so through the lens that came straight from the viewpoint that I would be unshaken in my view that catboi was scum, and his best course of action was to go on the attack against me immediately. I call that overly-defensive.

[catboi]

I'm not doing this with you. Not again.


I'm reading some things and I think I was probably misclearing Strange >_>

[catboi]

lack of concrete stances feels very much like strange-scum. By comparison, has reads, actively voices and votes suspicion, and generally tries to solve the game

[StrangeMatter]

lack of concrete stances feels very much like strange-scum. By comparison, has reads, actively voices and votes suspicion, and generally tries to solve the game

Truthfully, I have no clue what my scum game even is still on this website ATM, especially in that game where I felt like I got screwed over a quite a bit that game.

[implosion]

Howdy! It me, the jailkeeper.

I targeted catboi, then StrangeMatter,

not

igor. Notably,

neither of them can be the roleblocker

: if either of them were, then igor would have gotten a result on the corresponding night.

catboi was actually correct that I was not being entirely candid when I was pushing them at first, because I did have a soft guilty on them and wanted them to be the lim for mechanical reasons. However, their effort eventually convinced me, and I also realized that a goon flip on anyone else would clear them. I also knew Val was wrong about them being the roleblocker, which is part of why I was townreading them (I think them making this much effort to stay alive would make more sense if they're the roleblocker than if they're the goon, but they can't be the roleblocker). This is now true of StrangeMatter as well: if anyone other than catboi or StrangeMatter flips goon, then either the other scum is a roleblocker and igor was blocked by them both nights (in which case, neither of them can be that roleblocker, since they were each blocked on one night) or the other scum is a goon (in which case, that scum is igor fakeclaiming). So mechanically, if a goon flips, both of them are cleared.

Ironically, Val complaining at me for "basically claiming VT" served as great cover n1, despite him being simply wrong. As did catboi pointing out that PseudoAristotle "softclaimed"; this made it really easy to pick a target tonight because if StrangeMatter is town it made them a shoo-in to be targeted for the nightkill.

[implosion]

It's natural for scum to block the tracker and shoot for the jailkeeper in this situation btw; there was really very little reason for me to ever jail igor. The jailkeeper is the bigger threat because of the implication that they can't safely kill the tracker while they're alive, and the roleblocker deals perfectly with the tracker in the mean time.

[catboi]

oh my god lol I cannot stop getting targeted for the N1 kill

[catboi]

also I'm so sorry for putting you through the ringer yesterday >_>