Newbie 2082 - Game Over

[StrangeMatter]

Even then in another one of my Town games in the Open Queue I really didn’t do anything, then flipped town. Plus, I’ve only played two (really one if you don’t count how little I played as scum in that game), so to me while not unfounded this seems like a very weak argument.

[catboi]

Even then in another one of my Town games in the Open Queue I really didn’t do anything, then flipped town. Plus, I’ve only played two (really one if you don’t count how little I played as scum in that game), so to me while not unfounded this seems like a very weak argument.

It is admittedly a limited sample. I'll take a look at the open game.

[catboi]

I'd actually be surprised if Strange carried the kill after everything that happened yesterday.

Admittedly I've been paranoid of igorsprite through the entire ending of yesterday and I feel as though the guilty fakeclaim on me yesterday in light of me being targeted by the jailkeeper comes across in a worse light? That entire claim

could

have been done for the sake of outing the jailkeeper in response.

[catboi]

...I feel like nightless exploder pandemonium isn't a good baseline for anything. But you still had reads there? I probably need to reread you this game.

But I feel like mechanically this is +town for you, actually, dwelling on it.

[implosion]

If we do eliminate the roleblocker (if they exist) today, we are in *near* mechanical autowin, though I think it might not be a 100% guarantee. In the event that there's a quicklim or I don't get to say anything else in time, in the event that we eliminate the roleblocker, I will block StrangeMatter. I probably should claim a target in the event that we lim a goon as well, though it matters somewhat less, and I'd want it to be someone else. If we eliminate the goon today then we gain 2 clears.

I personally think it's best for mechanical reasons to take catboi and StrangeMatter off the table for today; they mechanically cannot be scum together and if igor is town then the best lim (the roleblocker) is not either of them.

I also think there's no reason to lim igor today with a mislim left (I still think he's town but I'll probably re-evaluate at some point today)

That leaves a nice small pool of Val, frogs, and MafMen for today.

[implosion]

Also fwiw I don't entirely mind Greeting selfvoting (given that the kill was stopped, it has earned us an extra mislim). At least, I would like to make it clear since this is a newbie game that that is one of the situations where it definitely isn't

objectively

wrong to selfvote. You can certainly argue it was bad play. Of course it doesn't really matter whether it was good or bad play so no need to litigate it too much.

[catboi]

I probably should claim a target in the event that we lim a goon as well, though it matters somewhat less, and I'd want it to be someone else. If we eliminate the goon today then we gain 2 clears.

It actually does matter to call a target in that instance, because either igor claims a report, meaning you were blocked, or igor claims blocked, meaning your target is cleared. Either one puts us in a mechanical autowin.

I think a red flip today means a mechanical lock no matter what.

[Val89]

Howdy! It me, the jailkeeper.

I had my figures crossed it was one of the others, because I had already decided you were absolute locktown because of the jump off my wagon yesterday, when a me into catboi flips was a clear and obvious plath to victory for a scum!implosion.

Clearing catboi as the roleblocker does change things for me. SM being in jail last night means the lack of NK doesn't clear catboi on its own, but combined with the fact he is a goon at worst, and the RB is in Mafmen/Frogs means that he is likely just town here. I thought catboi hopping off my wagon made sense if he was the RBer, because I said to frogs that my flip opens a clear path to town victory after catboi into (greeting/mafmen) in either order and frogs then did vote for me, I figured scum!catboi realised I was right, and my mislim would lose tlthem the game anyway which was what was driving the sudden loss of appetite.

That doesn't work if he is the goon though. Looks like he is town, and I was wrong. More fool me.

My inital thoughts are to stand by my townread on frogs, and say that makes it MafMen/SM, but I do intend to sit down and reread properly at the next opportunity.

[Val89]

To be completely fair, I think the fact SM was so quick to admit they weren't the JK today tends to paint them +town.

[catboi]

My gut check hip fire read is that Val + MafMen just isn't a thing, at all, and end of day yesterday makes me feel like frogs/mafmen isn't, either, because frogs was very willing to jump that vote

Looking back at frogs's iso it's not the strongest thing in the world, but mafmen reacted with exasperation/disbelief at frogs suspecting him, he didn't really push back and kept townreading frogs and i feel like he'd more likely distance from a partner?

[implosion]

Right now my immediate inclination is toward MafMen, and if not MafMen then frogs. I don't think there's much of a world in which I'll want to lim Val.

[catboi]

I'm just not sure there's a teamsolve that fits him, unless it's...igorsprite again >_>

[catboi]

I guess strange is possible but weh, not sure mafmen flops over like that as RB

I probably need to actually pay attention to strange's posts since I had written them off as obv-PR


LMAO, fck me if pseudoaristotle asked to be tracked as a mafia goon - I just realized how outrageously big brained that would have to be

[StrangeMatter]

I guess strange is possible but weh, not sure mafmen flops over like that as RB

I probably need to actually pay attention to strange's posts since I had written them off as obv-PR


LMAO, fck me if pseudoaristotle asked to be tracked as a mafia goon - I just realized how outrageously big brained that would have to be

Well I feel like it would probably be a mistake, especially now after Greeting’s flip, to just assume us Newbies are going to pull off something like that.

[catboi]

No I definitely lean toward it being a towntell, that kind of daffy outside the box play from a newbie is

usually

town-indicative

[catboi]

In particular I felt like igorsprite was just starting to follow my view of the game as it became apparent that I was going to kick and scream and not let myself go down, and I got wary he was just telling me what I wanted to hear.

igor/mafmen does make a touch of sense though, less so for the other two? given voting patterns yesterday.

I suppose I should really buckle down and ISO strange tonight to firm up my view because I think clearing them as town makes this game quite easy to solve regardless of the outcome today.

[igorsprite]

Howdy! It me, the jailkeeper.

I targeted catboi, then StrangeMatter,

not

igor. Notably,

neither of them can be the roleblocker

: if either of them were, then igor would have gotten a result on the corresponding night.

the roleblocker is frogsfrogs, mafmen or val then

i still think that keeping the tracker alive is a bad play

[igorsprite]

hmm i think that i know who is the roleblocker 424 425

VOTE: frogsfrogs

[StrangeMatter]

I'm wondering, @frogfrogs why were you agreeing with me so much on half of the stuff on Greeting's wagon, looking back when I read back in the ISO?

[Val89]

You know, it occurs to me that the no-kill night one was a part as to why I've been so willing to take Igor at face value, working on the assumption that the JK protected Igor and he was the target.

Now we know catboi was the N1 jailee, we have to ask the question again. Why no N1 kill? If Igor wasn't targeted, and catboi isn't a mafia goon submitting the kill, then that leaves either catboi as the target, or a deliberate choice to no kill.

I still think there is no good reason to doubt Igor here, but realising the whole of my thinking yesterday was built on faulty assumptions is humbling.

[catboi]

I still think there is no good reason to doubt Igor here, but realising the whole of my thinking yesterday was built on faulty assumptions is humbling.

I'm glad you realized it, although to be fair I have a lot of crow to eat here.

[catboi]

I feel like me being targeted for the NK n1 makes the most sense in a frogs-scum world? I was one of the only people who was vocally a critic of frogs on day 1, from that POV I make the best sense as a potential NK to get rid of any threat to them. That is how it tends to go with newbies.

I was also anti-Val, but Val has other potential options, and I feel like attacking me so aggressively right after he tried to NK me would be the less likely play? Unless he's the type of scum that's crazy like a fox, suspecting me actually feels

not

informed.

Not even sure I had many other suspects besides that?

[MafMen]

i believe i was in that pool

[MafMen]

If we eliminate the goon today then we gain 2 clears.

how?

[igorsprite]

If we eliminate the goon today then we gain 2 clears.

how?

because the roleblocker is among you, val and frogsfrogs, so catboi and strange can't be scum if we elim the goon