Anything uPick (Endgame)

[Good Luck Buddy]

i think ircher willing to fall on the sword is weird too.
I think we can examine that tomorrow.

[Good Luck Buddy]

Morning Fire xx. Just thought I'd say ilu even if you're scum <3

if ur scum i consider this post to be pure evil emotional manipulation.
but sure i love u 2.
but i don't want to work with u 2 this game either lol

[Cheeky Wings]

Victorine is closer to lim, so if you want to end the day Victorine is the best vote
the disconnect is potentially that fire assumes you want to end the day rn

If most people are onboard with that I’ll vote her but I hear several posts saying that they sr Ircher, so I want to understand the reasoning for why V is better.

Ircher seems to care way more about her survival than she does.

[Taly]

I don't understand the votes on

Vic

from people who also scumread

Ircher

.

If anything

Ircher

is the likelier scum if they are T/S and I don't think T/T is out of the question.

[Gamma Emerald]

this is an interesting turnaround from how CW was treating firebear before, where they were calling them obvtown but specifically predicating that w me being scum, imo firebear has been towny w/out needing that consideration which made the insistence on reading them thru me kinda distressing for how I viewed CW
but ig what reads as interesting also completely checks out when I put it that way?

[Good Luck Buddy]

this is an interesting turnaround from how CW was treating firebear before, where they were calling them obvtown but specifically predicating that w me being scum, imo firebear has been towny w/out needing that consideration which made the insistence on reading them thru me kinda distressing for how I viewed CW
but ig what reads as interesting also completely checks out when I put it that way?

that was when pooky was main poster.
when i became main poster it was different

[Good Luck Buddy]

I don't understand the votes on

Vic

from people who also scumread

Ircher

.

If anything

Ircher

is the likelier scum if they are T/S and I don't think T/T is out of the question.

until jjh tells me victorine is outside her scumrange and or victorine is no longer main wagon. I am not letting it out of my sight

[Cheeky Wings]

Morning Fire xx. Just thought I'd say ilu even if you're scum <3

if ur scum i consider this post to be pure evil emotional manipulation.
but sure i love u 2.
but i don't want to work with u 2 this game either lol

I’m not and your hydra partner knows that so why even make this post? If you’re trying to get me to doubt you, then, congrats - mission fucking accomplished.

I just think you’re being extremely silly wrt to me but that’s on you. I’m very clearly trying and you’re being impossible.

[Something_Smart]

I don't understand the votes on

Vic

from people who also scumread

Ircher

.

If anything

Ircher

is the likelier scum if they are T/S and I don't think T/T is out of the question.

Ircher Is Actually Playing The Game Though

[Taly]

I don't understand the votes on

Vic

from people who also scumread

Ircher

.

If anything

Ircher

is the likelier scum if they are T/S and I don't think T/T is out of the question.

Like if you think

Ircher's

defense of

Vic

is sus, why not vote

Ircher

who is likelier informed?

But what is the behavioral tell that people have on

Ircher

that I am not seeing?

That's why I can't get behind either wagon at the moment.

[Taly]

Who is

Vic

? Can I get a hint?

[Gamma Emerald]

this is an interesting turnaround from how CW was treating firebear before, where they were calling them obvtown but specifically predicating that w me being scum, imo firebear has been towny w/out needing that consideration which made the insistence on reading them thru me kinda distressing for how I viewed CW
but ig what reads as interesting also completely checks out when I put it that way?

that was when pooky was main poster.
when i became main poster it was different

with pooky wanting SRs this is hysterically funny

[Cheeky Wings]

I don't understand the votes on

Vic

from people who also scumread

Ircher

.

If anything

Ircher

is the likelier scum if they are T/S and I don't think T/T is out of the question.

This. Would rather vote Ircher, rather than succumb to an apathy wagon on Vic.
~C

[Gamma Emerald]

Who is

Vic

? Can I get a hint?

Vic = Victorine = Yume (idk if you know who that is tho)

[Cheeky Wings]

I don't understand the votes on

Vic

from people who also scumread

Ircher

.

If anything

Ircher

is the likelier scum if they are T/S and I don't think T/T is out of the question.

That’s precisely what I’ve been saying. Hallelujah I’m actually not losing my mind afterall.

[Cheeky Wings]

So finally getting through the last 25+ pages or so, I think one of the following is likely true:

A) Ircher is town with an extremely good read on town!Victorine.
B) Ircher is scum with a tmi town read on her.
C) Ircher is traitor who is willing to die for his non-traitor buddy.

Ircher’s Taly read is whack. Yes it’s true, Cheeky and myself have been spending alot of time debating Taly’s alignment. For me particularly, I didn’t understand why Taly has so many posts talking about himself specifically but I now have come to the conclusion that it’s more likely than not role related.

I agree with jjh that it really makes 0 sense for Taly scum or scum in general to do complete read reversals like that, because what exactly does scum!Taly have to gain by doing this? Especially his Gamma read for example. Why does scum!Taly acheive by almost running Gamma up only to townblock him? Unless someone has a valid reason to think they’re buddies or something and I really don’t see that all. I also think Deimos is really town as well, so I think B or C is more likely than A for Ircher.

Whomever said that he might possibly be trying to get Victorine limled over him could also possibly mean that I have the roles reversed if C but B could equally be as likely if he’s scum. The fact is that Ircher town very effectively reversed his lim by being okay with dying in Yin/Yang so he could possibly be replicating that as scum? Idk know anymore but can’t confidently rule out A) either. Outside chance as well of town!Ircher possibly being wrong on scum!Victorine but I like that possibility the least followed by A.

I think the only reason as town that you should ever be willing to sacrifice yourself for another player is A) your role is negative utility B) you’re vt and they’re tpr C) you think they will be more effective in endgame. Ircher has not given us any indication so far of A. B is unknown but extremely unlikely in an RC uPick and C clearly makes 0 sense, so that makes me lean towards Ircher more likely than not being scum, irrespective of whatever V flips.

Thoughts?

@Ircher maybe you should claim?

@Taly

[Good Luck Buddy]

mission fucking accomplished.

we did it reddit

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

The overall impression I am getting from Taly is he is struggling to get actually in the game. This is evidenced by each of his constant backtracking on reads. To be clear, one or two read reversals are fine, but it seems he tries to start a wagon, it gains some momentum, and then suddenly he is no longer interested in it. This just seems really strange. This combined with the higher level of aggression equates a scum read.

Do you not think that is Taly readjusting reads in light of new content brought about by wagon pressure? Because that's what I think that is

For Deimos, he strikes me as the most likely deepscum. Should I be making such reads rn? Probably not, but I am anyway.

I don't particularly understand this argument. Is Deimos too towny for your liking? Is he bringing the game in a direction you dislike but in a relatively towny way? Is he someone you scumread for other reasons while you feel lots of people townread him?

You're gonna have to elaborate on why you actually think Deimos is scum besides just calling him deepscum

Do you not think that is Taly readjusting reads in light of new content brought about by wagon pressure? Because that's what I think that is

It's possible sure. But the other aspect is he keeps going from super confident someone is going to flip scum to a complete read reversal of being committed they are town. It's unusual behavior, and I am associating that with scum-indicative.

pedit: To be clear, I'm not actively townreading Deimos, but I would also be lying if I said there were any specific posts I actively scum read.

That's how I play too. Making apparently super confident pushes are how you make pressure. You have to embellish a bit and then ultimately make the decision based on the push of whether you're gonna elim there or not. If you're not gonna elim there after all it's because you have decided they are probably town

I am town if and only if I am not town.

Liar

Can you go back to discussing Taly with me, Ircher

Jjh what was your read on Ircher after this?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

this is an interesting turnaround from how CW was treating firebear before, where they were calling them obvtown but specifically predicating that w me being scum, imo firebear has been towny w/out needing that consideration which made the insistence on reading them thru me kinda distressing for how I viewed CW
but ig what reads as interesting also completely checks out when I put it that way?

that was when pooky was main poster.
when i became main poster it was different

I’m pretty decent at reading Pooky and for that reason, I still think you’re town but if you had been playing solo, I would probably be null on you.

However your defence of Sakura read townie to me but outside from my Pooky read, that’s all I’ve got.

[Cheeky Wings]

this is an interesting turnaround from how CW was treating firebear before, where they were calling them obvtown but specifically predicating that w me being scum, imo firebear has been towny w/out needing that consideration which made the insistence on reading them thru me kinda distressing for how I viewed CW
but ig what reads as interesting also completely checks out when I put it that way?

My read on Pooky had 0 connection to my read on you. I don’t understand why you would even think otherwise?

[Cheeky Wings]

mission fucking accomplished.

we did it reddit

If I post a pic of a large jar of honey, would it get Pooky to post? Because I’ll do whatever it takes, no lie.

[Cheeky Wings]

VOTE: Ircher

[Cheeky Wings]

I am town if and only if I am not town.

Wtf does this even mean?

[Cheeky Wings]

mission fucking accomplished.

we did it reddit

If I post a pic of a large jar of honey, would it get Pooky to post? Because I’ll do whatever it takes, no lie.

@Fire, please use you powers of persuasion or whatever. Thanks because you are being extremely unhelpful and unnecessarily antagonistic towards me.

[Gamma Emerald]

this is an interesting turnaround from how CW was treating firebear before, where they were calling them obvtown but specifically predicating that w me being scum, imo firebear has been towny w/out needing that consideration which made the insistence on reading them thru me kinda distressing for how I viewed CW
but ig what reads as interesting also completely checks out when I put it that way?

My read on Pooky had 0 connection to my read on you. I don’t understand why you would even think otherwise?

because you (or cheeky, one of you) brought it up a lot how my scumflip would "spew GLB as town"