Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

[petapan]

i'll give you all the space i want, it's what i've been doing all phase

[Gammagooey]

Going over stuff now, have another tab with some Taly stuff in it but I wanted to reread the Ydrasse stuff that peta pointed out with context first.

Found this in between some of the early stuff, and I think all of this looks good for Gamma Emerald, and Especially post 1346 feels like scum pushing town to get off their partner instead of a scum/scum interaction.

Gamma's behavior still doesn't make sense to me. He's calling his defender Infinity a 'dear friend', but then is strangely antagonistic to Dwlee who's also defending him.

I see skitter's point about it being counterproductive in the second case if he's paid actor, but..... I lost my train of thought and don't really know where I'm going with this. I'm probably confbiasing myself since I'm attributing erratic behavior to always be indicative of money, so never mind.

Gamma, what your thoughts on the Galron wagon and your read on him right now?

My thoughts on the wagon are it seems mostly backed by those in my upper tiers, so that’s a good sign
My opinion of Galron himself is that he kinda has started to feel like he did in Radio Buzz but I lack a hard instance of where I’m getting that feeling, it’s just there. However, I also vaguely TRed scum Galron in mini 2234 so I probably just don’t know him well enough to claim actual accuracy at reading him.
So like, I don’t feel like I personally want to be a part of the wagon, but I’m not stopping others from pursuing the Galron elim if that’s what they think will flip scum.

So what I'm getting is that the wagon is pushed by your co testant-reads and you feel unsure about Galron, yet you won't vote him despite him being your counterwagon?

Your answer is lacking awareness of the fact that you're competing with him right now, what do you want to achieve with Dunnstral on 2 votes?

I don't think he is being coached i think he is just town, for the record
also nothing Galron is posting is making me want to move my vote

What's worse is the way Gamma's acting around it though. He's paid and trying too hard to not appear survivalistic, whereas he would probably care less if he was a contestant.

I mean
Gamma has been vote hopping like crazy all game
what is the motivation to stop doing it now?

I dunno

that's why it's weird af.

he was so desperate to vote any1 but himself

but when an actual viable counterwagon shows up.

he's like finding some weird as f excuses to stay off the wagon.

Yeah, exactly.

I mean
Gamma has been vote hopping like crazy all game
what is the motivation to stop doing it now?

That's the point, because it'll look bad for him if he does it now onto his counterwagon.

Correction: He's

afraid

it'll look bad for him voting a counterwagon but actually it would've been fine and probably what town would do.

[Gammagooey]

Also Saber kept pushing for Gemerald-scum after the Execution Throne event here - don't think it's as strongly town-indicative as the last chunk, but she def. didn't just lay off Gamma once the heat was off from his Throne-posting

Most vocal stagehand or suspicions from Pooky I can see are on Gamma, Dunnstral, and petapan. He also supported a S-S theory for the two leading wagons.

I didn't have time to express thsie earlier; the most stagehand part of Gamma's whole monologue were probably these 2 posts:

Well this is an interesting position. Looks like both the minority stances were right in a sense, funnily enough. My gut inclination is to shoot in my SRs but I ain’t gonna fuck around and find out. I want to consider my reads again with the truth of the chair in mind.

Well that was unfortunate but I think inevitable. I have an idea about why Pooky was selected to die. It’s getting factored into my new decision though, so I’ll hold onto it until I’m ready to make the call.

These reactions seem quite muted for a relatively emotive person like Gamma, from what we've seen from the rest of this game.

It was less about it being tactical, and more about it feeling unnatural.

My issue rn kinda lies with this comment. I feel like it’s a bit revisionist history given pushing me is no longer the in mode thing to do. Before this I distinctly recall you saying when I was switching things up it felt to you like I was scum seeing my current approach wasn’t working and trying something new. That is essentially being tactical about switching up my play. And yet you nitpick my word choice like this, it feels incredibly concerning, like you’re trying to detach yourself from the push on me you had before.

Yes, it was both. My point was that your shifts in attitude seemed unnatural, which is the main way to tell whether they're from a stagehand or contestant. It can only be theorised whether they're actually tactical because they didn't even go well for you. For example, your acting like a jester and then turning on Prism only seemed to attract more heat on you, so saying it's a stagehand tactic is iffy since you'd be actively pursuing bad tactics. I'd prefer to look at whether it was actually natural for you start acting those ways when you did.

[Morning Tweet]

"Rule by the One"

Event Rules

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Decision 9.1.4

Current Nominee:

Ydrasse

YEA [0]:

n/a

NAY [1]:

Taly

Not Voting [4]:

Gammagooey, petapan, Ydrasse, Gamma Emerald

Once all contestants have voted, we will move to the next nominee. "VOTE: YEA" eliminates, "VOTE: NAY" spares.
Until all votes are cast, votes can be swapped. All players not voting at deadline will select "NAY".

The deadline for this decision is in:

(expired on 2021-11-18 12:10:31)

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[Gammagooey]

Man there's a lot of shit to go through. I'll try and separate this post into chunks of things I'm responding to for readability.

Starting with I think the first Taly things that I haven't given a response to yet

One final post from phone before break

hello hello

the nominees are Ydrasse followed by Taly, which shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone except maybe Ydrasse given the Heaven PT

my instinct is that yeeting them both wins the game

I don't like your approach here.

You KNOW that

Ydra/Taly

must contain AT LEAST ONE town.

So why be OK with yeeting 2 players in a situation that could actually be elo?

You're not counting the fact that we have only seen one of two of scums sabotages in play.

You're also not counting the fact that you could be wrong in your final solve.

So this positing reads as your priority of elimination to be higher than finding the final scum.

Which is a big red flag.

It's optimal to consistently express

"Nay"

when the thought could cross a player's mind because we could actively be preventing a mislim.

And since there is only 1 scum left, there's no reason to be weary of scum protecting a partner.

So there's no impulse for town to want to just lim nominees when a solve contradicts otherwise... like only having 1 scum left but wanting to lim 2 for a

"win"

.

You know what

I'm gatekeeping this shit further.

Anybody who votes

"Yay"

for both nominees is either gamethrowing or scumclaiming.

There is NO middle ground.

This potentially being a game-losing situation if we eliminate two players (which I'm assuming is what you mean by elo from context) is an assumption you're pulling out of your ass. As for the 2nd scum sabotage I personally suspect that it was used in some way to keep TA alive after the crossing, and suspect even more-so that scum wouldn't have a sabotage that is *skip the last event and instead immediately win the game* because it would be incredibly unsatisfying and disappointing to play through to that outcome, but that to be fair is also complete speculation on my part. If I was playing the game as a ghost-townie from outside the game that nobody could touch or speak to I think I probably would yeet both you and Ydrasse and if I was wrong try to figure out which of Gemerald/peta was scum afterwards given that I still think that GE+peta are both town and that town wins the game by eliminating all of the scum in it.

But Notably, I'm not a magical intangible ghost-townie, I can interact with people and get opinions and advice from them and actually work with them to try to win the game. And you are right at least in stating that I can be wrong and, and I'm not going to try to convince Gemerald+peta to yeet Ydrasse as well as you here if they're not confident that it gives the best chance of town winning, and you & peta do also have a point that there could be an advantage to there being more townies in the final event. Like at this point I'm almost certainly going to be voting Nay for Ydrasse-death barring a Massively unlikely kumbaya moment where both peta+Gemerald both change their minds about Ydrasse being their most likely scum in the game aside from you.

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Why did you take the ruler position when you originally wanted

Gemerald

?

In retrospect, it just feels like your motivation was just to counter my expressed desire for ruler.

uh. yes? I explicitly said that I thought everyone in Heaven was obviously town except you, who I said was comparatively only probably town and the most likely scum in the Heaven PT. I would have voted for anyone except you as ruler, peta had said he wanted either himself or me as ruler, and you said you were fine with voting in either me or you as ruler, so I took the opportunity to self-vote and become ruler with your and peta's votes. I don't think you could have backed down from letting me become ruler given the game-state after that as either alignment - either you're town and genuinely believe that the game will end with TA/Cakez dying like you've said previously so you don't care, or if you're scum backing off from supporting me as ruler IMMEDIATELY after saying you'd be fine with it while I'm expressing suspicion of you makes you look incredibly self-preserving and makes you much less likely to live to endgame.

And I don't think the post you just quoted is insignificant. I detailed in several posts why I had an issue with your mentality here, and it feels like the mentality you were paranoid of

ME

having in the PT.

Like, you're not being fair.

And honestly, to say that my suspicion of you stems from just that one post trivializes my other interactions with you this event that illustrated why I don't follow your POV here. Including the implied distrust of my slot since the crossing.

Frankly I feel like you've done a bad job of summarizing it well. I'll try to make a summary myself to respond to, if I miss a piece and you want a response to it just quote it and @me in ONE post with a "Respond to this please", I don't want to sort through another 30 posts to find exactly what you're talking about.

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1)You think I'm scum for pushing for both you and Ydrasse to die

I said in my first post of the day that my instinct was that yeeting you+Ydrasse would win the game for town, and made one followup post detailing why I thought that you and Ydrasse were the two people most likely to be scum out of everyone, with about two sentences on why Ydrasse could be scum and a few more why I think you're most likely scum. You have gone HAM on this despite (or to be charitable, maybe partially because of) me not pushing hard to yeet Ydrasse and not voting for Ydrasse to be executed at all. If I was actively pushing for both you+Ydrasse to die over the past few days it'd at least be a decent argument, but imo it's literally just blowing my initial post saying "I think eliminating Ydrasse+Taly likely wins the game for town" way out of proportion.

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2) Quote from Taly: No action itself is too incriminating but the progression tells me that Ggy sowed distrust in the townbloc from an informed perspective to endgame.  
Because neither the rest of us 3 were combating a cohesive idea that we were a correct townbloc because we had no information to suggest such.

I feel like I've made it clear throughout the game that I was confident in my skitter read, and that by mid/late in the crossing I was confident in my HQ/Tamora read, and that I was not nearly as confident in any other scum reads. I wanted to get a few opinions on who people thought was most likely scum during Heaven nominations because I didn't feel confident on who the last scum could be.

also I read through large chunks of execution throne and duel event posting

and found that skitter did a lot of protecting of Cakez who did a lot of protecting of Saber during duel event
and that Cakez being the hammer for both the Gemerald execution throne and for Infinity being the blue PT nomination is slightly gross

so I think I'm at Tamora's>Cakez>Ydrasse>??? for scum now but I kinda just want people to make cases (or at least like, a couple sentences of summary) on who they think is mostly likely non-Tamora scum so I can get a better handle on things

gaaaaahhhhh
I don't wanna retract my cakez TR now that it's on the vote thing but I feel like the associative points against him sound good

Eh. Do your own reading of it before taking my word for it. cakez has good points in his iso too, it's just that literally everyone does at this point.

Skitter I was confident about because I don't think I saw basically any *shining town moments* from her, just a sea of fine and reasonable posts with a few damning posts spread between them.
Being absent from how the early events played out in real-time was nice in that it let me read through everything with a minimum of investment in current reads/how active people were being/etc but also makes it harder to tell the tone of how people were interacting with each other back then and what was at the forefront of people's thoughts on the game at the time, which is prob important for getting a better read on which defenses/attacks of skitter's were actually impactful to the game-state and would have mattered, and which were kind of throw-ins to make herself look like she was active & trying to solve the game.

As for the rest of you 3 having a cohesive idea of a townbloc, it's prob worth asking peta & Gemerald exactly how confident they were in it since they did have differing opinions on who the ruler should be, but it's a reasonable perspective. I am a little surprised that I was the only one who actively pushed for "If there's a scum here I think it's X", but I do think I try to push for potential small advantages in game-state more than most players and would rather fight for what I want even if there's risk involved or most people disagree with me. For instance, here in Signs & Void where I was confident enough on that player being scum with a flipped Titus-scum to want to literally bet an additional elimination on it:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 4#p6895214

VC 135 (Minor Day 3, VC 3)

Choice:

Would you like to trade the second Major Day Three lynch for two lynches if the first lynch hits an

Annihilation

player and no lynch if the first lynch hits a

Creation

player?

(7)

Keep:

Cheetory6, Shadoweh, vezokpiraka, Untrod Tripod, Formerfish, ChannelDelibird, ActionDan

[Decided!]
(1)

Trade:

Gammagooey

(4)

No Choice Vote:

mastin2, 4nxiety, singersigner, Espeonage

(Formerfish, ChannelDelibird, ActionDan)

With 12 players alive it's 7 to Bane or Choose. Minor Day Three ends on Wednesday, May 28th at 6 PM CST.

Minor Day Three Deadline

(expired on 2015-05-27 18:00:00)

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3) To suggest I'm scum after my Heaven PT play would be to believe that I gamethrowed.

I think that you as scum suggested that you'd be fine with me as a ruler to try to look town and to keep up your stance that you thought the game would end in a town win with TA/Cakez flipping, and you didn't feel like you could take it back after I self-voted without looking incredibly sketchy. Also, scum have MORE knowledge of the events given the First Post, but presumably not ALL information about events - if you didn't know the ruler would choose two people for potential elimination OR that 3 people could/would die in Hell, it's a reasonably safe bet for you that you still aren't in this position given that I explicitly said that if I were given a kill from being ruler I'd kill TA/Cakez first.

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4)And also, why aren't you defending Gemerald?

He can't die in this event. Also as peta pointed out I did a bit already.

I think that's it. Jesus that took forever. I'm gonna go make a MUCH QUICKER summary of why I think Taly is scum, make sure I have the important bits from my Taly thoughts in Heaven PT rephrased in there since Ydrasse can't see them, and maybe get more detailed with it tomorrow but no promises on that.

[petapan]

Also Saber kept pushing for Gemerald-scum after the Execution Throne event here - don't think it's as strongly town-indicative as the last chunk, but she def. didn't just lay off Gamma once the heat was off from his Throne-posting

my actual feeling is that scum tend to want to leave a backdoor, they'll leave open the possibility their teammate being scum as kind of a hedge. same sort of thing where dunnstral infuriatingly refused to give an actual read on GE

however i do keep reminding myself of the early game posts where it looked like saber was chainsaw defending dunn from gamma emerald and meh

still, i feel like if it's not taly, it basically has to be him? because basically no other rational view of the game makes sense

[Gammagooey]

Oh actually I had this saved from earlier so this first and then Taly summary:

meh on a lot of peta's posting about Ydrasse-town but https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13123228 does seem good to me

also if Ydrasse is scum this is the smoothest scum-partner call out I have ever seen and I will applaud her post game

i mean idk fmpov it's like

i'm not doing a lot but i'm not doing a lot that's scummy either so ... the people who are being pushed on a lot might be scum + the people pushing me are looking for ways to not be on partners

Like i guess i see this but kinda like I said above u also know ur not playing in a way that would gef u townread so from ur pov i'm not sure u shouod be finding it odd or scummy that people scumread you

i dont find it odd and i naturally assume some ppl doing it are town but i think that bcuz of that 1-2 people probably are being opportunistic and blending in with the town ppl because it's easy

[Gamma Emerald]

I would have voted for anyone except you as ruler, peta had said he wanted either himself or me as ruler, and you said you were fine with voting in either me or you as ruler, so I took the opportunity to self-vote and become ruler with your and peta's votes.

Imo what you

should

have done was at least wait for me to come in and give assent because maybe I would have but I feel a little walked over having had you 3 just make that call without running it by me at all. I can’t really feel good about this choice when I feel like I wasn’t really a part of the process in the end. When Infinity was nominated during event 4 I at least was able to speak for my position even if no one listened. This just feels so much worse.

[petapan]

i feel like taly's arguments might be focused on the here and now because he knows if you look at past game content it's impossible to argue against rationally

[petapan]

i will again emphasize though that the HQ stuff particularly makes me just want to bet the game on ydrasse-town

that's like the most obvious bait there is and if she's killed off that it'd be a travesty

[petapan]

for gamma the arg is this: skitter tried to derail his wagon day 1, scum basically let him go free range post throne of execution but saber and dunn wouldn't commit to townreads there and that gives me spooky hedgy vibes

then from event 3 his posts were like this: trying to act leader-y and compile who wanted who to cross (NAI), asking other people questions, and trying to get a lot of townies killed. this was the concern ulyana had where he was seemingly not doing much solving and on a read back that was kiiiinda how it looked to me

also had the saber slot as a scumraead early but kept keeping HQ at arm's length/slightly from the bottom of his reads? and also was trying to protect skitter for not great reasons/using me backing down on skitter as cover

[Gammagooey]

Heaven PT things:
Taly asked me to read over page 159 where she pushed for Dunn/Cakez to be the duel after I mentioned I thought she was the most likely possible scum in Heaven PT
I read it and thought they were generally good but didn't like that she was still willing to switch her vote around to people that weren't Dunn until near the end of the duel, by which time I thought that Dunn had shown that he was probably going to be not helpful to the game at large and thus not worth defending to his scumbuddies.

Some ~playful banter~ happens, Taly defends their interactions with Dunn a bit

I say that Taly is still pretty likely town but I'm not comfortable enough with their skitter interactions to make them ruler, specifically mentioning that I think it's possible that they as scum went after different town wagons early game and didn't do much aside from gently nudge each other and criticize each other's reads occasionally.

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Quick reasons why I think Taly is scum aside from the above

-Taly was the one who specifically dissuaded Pink PT from putting up Saber as the nom, because Taly wanted to sort them in-thread. It seemed like from the descriptions that it was set up as skitter/Infinity v Taly/Dwlee and that ending with a 2 vote nom on peta with Taly not voting feels v. bad.

Taly/Dwlee V Infinity/Skitter

is a gamestate plot line I never thought would come this game.

-Taly keeping their options open to potentially put Firebringer through the crossing until Gemerald came in with the critical vote instead of pushing for the scumread on Cakez feels weird to me considering that I said I would do basically any combination of 2 other people as long as both skitter and TA were left behind

i feel like taly's arguments might be focused on the here and now because he knows if you look at past game content it's impossible to argue against rationally

^is also true

I also feel like Taly just never

seriously

considered skitter-scum as a possibility this game which sketches me out a fair bit. There's just pokes and disagreements and a bit of shade but I don't think they ever seriously pushed each other.

[petapan]

hey everyone i got alot to read. BUT JUST WANTED TO SAY HI PETAPAN!~

hi firebringer


did you replace into a scum slot

I'm scumreading

Cakez

again

what an odd nonsequitur

[petapan]

I also feel like Taly just never seriously considered skitter-scum as a possibility this game which sketches me out a fair bit. There's just pokes and disagreements and a bit of shade but I don't think they ever seriously pushed each other.

i agree with that, looking at the crossing event it's notable that taly and skitter attacking each other post pink room seems to kind of go away

but, well, i think he should be the flip and we have to set up contingency otherwise is all

[petapan]

Skitter's

WIM lowering felt real and

Fire

is the most present out of these 3 slots in thread, but I've not been historically good at reading

Fire

and this slot being town meant

Dwlee

got 0/3 of his scumreads correct OR I'm incorrect so :/

[petapan]

maybe ill just sheep taly instead of reading.

Taly is the last living player who voted for Dunn to be in the duel with me, an probably the only player I really trust in the game.

Does scum do this here?

Do you think

Tamora/Cakez

could be S/S?

possibly. Tamora is only one ive been iffy on since i got in and i was kind of thinking cakez telling me the people to send of not including himself (originally) was kind of weird for him.

I townlean

Fire/Toog

these past 2 pages.

Going to group ISO

Prism-Gypyx/Cakez/Tamora

and then likely revisit the latter half of

peta's Dunn

analysis.

firebringer's posting so far ingame is entirely NAI

trying to extract a read on a handful of posts from a notoriously carefree player over the 346 posts left behind by skitter which are surely more AI is a very questionable process

You caught me, I did a conflip.

But honestly I want to look at

Prism/Gypyx

first.

I could've misread

Gypyx's

wild reversal from

Prism

in terms of trajectory on

Gamma

.

I also suspected

Prism

was a powerwolf early Event 1.

Gypyx

has had a nearly incomprehensible read progressions this game.

And the growing suspicion of

Gypyx

doesn't outright mean he isn't scum. He might be bussed.

[petapan]

firebringer's posting so far ingame is entirely NAI

trying to extract a read on a handful of posts from a notoriously carefree player over the 346 posts left behind by skitter which are surely more AI is a very questionable process

score one point for process, and an absolute one-two punch series of posts

i don't often do self-congratulatory nonsense but i want to give myself credit for keeping this shit on the rails while so much of the game was trying to murder almost50 and toog. both of whom were frankly painfully obvtown but, like...i couldn't have a perfect solve there, it wasn't possible, there was nothing i could do

if you ever think i make that immediate pounce as scum just retire immediately

[Gammagooey]

I would have voted for anyone except you as ruler, peta had said he wanted either himself or me as ruler, and you said you were fine with voting in either me or you as ruler, so I took the opportunity to self-vote and become ruler with your and peta's votes.

Imo what you

should

have done was at least wait for me to come in and give assent because maybe I would have but I feel a little walked over having had you 3 just make that call without running it by me at all. I can’t really feel good about this choice when I feel like I wasn’t really a part of the process in the end. When Infinity was nominated during event 4 I at least was able to speak for my position even if no one listened. This just feels so much worse.

I'm sorry to have left you out, but I did vote you for ruler before basically anything else happened in heaven thread, and you were voting for the one person who I thought had a possibility of being scum in the Heaven PT to be ruler. If ya don't want to deal with making the tough choices, ya gotta be ready for someone else to make a choice you don't agree with.

If it helps, just remember we'll all just randos on the internet arguing for fun and the satisfaction of winning/doing well in a game - it can be frustrating but the consequences of being right/wrong or winning/losing don't really matter as long as you put in a good effort and remember to treat people well at the end of the game.

[petapan]

What if it was Toog and 2 people in blue team? There was an early sentiment that the duel wasn’t really clearing for Toog, but they never gained traction. Maybe that’s why they didn’t feel pressured? And with Infinity getting nominated and how many people were sussing them, Toog could basically do whatever in the pink room with the knowledge that it was basically going to be a landslide. As for the duel, I just looked at the votes and Peta and Saber were the last two. Now I’m worried about a Peta/Harley/Toog team tbh
I started this as an attempt to devil’s advocate but this all sounds internally consistent

People tend to get tripped up when I ask for homework rather than write something as lucid as 4065.

I want to hear this same team theory but from the perspective of Event 1 to see of that consistency still remains.

If you really feel that way Taly. then why are you so hellbent on rushing the start of this vote, when you are fully aware that I need as much time as possible to make a good decision?

I'm regretting that I didn't vote

Saber/Harley Quinn

slot and wish

Skitter

swapped with

Infinity

for the nom.

Essentially, neither nom is one I want eliminated above others.

Taly ignoring me, also noted.

Why take the most hostile possible interpretation of my behavior? My suspicion of your slot is largely from

Saber

and you've yet yo make an impression that leads me to think you interact with other players in good faith. If you genuinely feel rushed for time, then just say so and stop wasting it by taking shots at players who have found clarity and are acting upon it.

Fuck.

You want to kill me. You don’t want to give me time to make an informed decision. Then you completely ignore my posts. Why should I have a positive interpretation of that?

Yes, I’m slightly paranoid that if you’re not wrongly tunnelled on me, you might even possibly trying to set me up. Do you really blame me?

Because why not give me the time I need to catch up when you know I just repped into a 152 page game?

i mean, hrm

why nobody want me to cross and potentially fall to an anticlimactic death

Yet another reason I think you’re town, you were the antithesis of cute in that game you were scum in. No offense but I think cuteness is a towntell for you.

meh

[petapan]

You townread

Gammagooey

?

I did but his interactions with Skitter looked weird to me, something was off there and then him wanting to leave Ydrasse behind kind of sealed it for me. I don’t like the way he keeps referring to her (Skitter’s) slot. I’m getting possible buddy vibes from their posts. When he sr her, she didn’t get upset about it and he keeps saying he wants to leave her behind but only talks about wanting me dead. That doesn’t sound like town making a good faith sorting of me. Those kind of posts generally come from scum trying to push a miselim. I just don’t buy it.

this post gives me a headache because i don't

think

harley outs her team out of spite, but wow

[petapan]

i should jut be moving on to contingent solving in gooey/emerald but i did want to check the harley stuff t see if there was anything telling and there's nothing that makes me not want to flip taly but i can't say with full confidence that ends the game

[petapan]

anyway gamma i'm compromising enough, you get 2 in the PoE that i don't agree on, let me have my stance on her

Also, I’m not an object and no one speaks for me in this game. You don’t get your say on me regardless of what that is, no one does. I am far less upset about the bad srs then being disrespected by both you and gooey. I have never been treated that way in any game ever and the lack of direct interaction with my slot is really messing with me. I feel like I’m sometimes being discussed like I’m either not actually a player in this game or somehow treated as subhuman. I know people don’t understand why that affects me so strongly but it’s starting to adversely affect my mental health.

okay guess what

i don't care

ream me out if you want

you doing this explicitly makes me want to remove you from the game because i refuse to tolerate this sort of emotional appeal anymore

was the case with saber it's the case with you

maybe i'll look like a cold hearted asshole and a moron in postgame but i pretty strongly believe in stamping this sort of stuff out

I don’t care dude, my mental health takes precedence over any game and I won’t tolerate this from you and you can’t make me.

Your read on me is bs and I really didn’t understand how the setup worked but now I realized that being willing to be left behind is pretty much gamethrowing and I won’t allow to either continue to manipulate or intimidate me. What I do know is you are making this game unplayable for me and if you don’t stop being behaving like such a douche to me, I don’t think I’ll be playing with you again in future games. I’m sure you don’t care but if you’re okay pushing people out of games they really wanted to play in, that’s on you. I know it’s not the kind of thing I’d ever be proud of, so I really hope that making me feel like utter shit was worth it to you.

Once again, this has nothing to do with your shifty read on me, even gooey gets it but for some reason it still is going completely over your head. I admit I haven’t been exactly an angel where you’re concerned but I don’t sign up for games to be mistreated and I won’t tolerate that in this game or anywhere eise for that matter and if you think you can browbeat me to put up with your crap, think again.

I really did try to ask you as nicely as possible in the most respectful way possible and your response was to double down and ignore it. Every player in any game is entitled to a basic level of respect and when I try to get through to you that I’m not okay with the way you’re engaging me, you just double down and get nasty. You don’t have that right, no one does. I was wrong for those things I said earlier which I already apologized for but you are making this game absolute hell for me with your disrespectful and abusive attitude towards me. I’m still a human being behind this computer screen and I felt I had really no choice but to speak out and if I allowed you to continue to steamroll over me, manipulate and intimidate me, I would eventually lose it on you and potentially put myself in a position where I risk being temp banned and I hate to break it to you but you’re not worth it.

I shouldn’t have called you that, I should try to be classy and better than you. I apologise to the rest of the playerlist for my behavior but Peta is seriously harming me with his attitude and it just not acceptable to me.

Anyway, someone has to be the bigger persi here and give way and it’s clearly not going to be Peta. This isn’t fair to the rest of the playerlist or the mod who designed such a kickass game. I won’t continue to be a part of ruining this game for anyone. It’s already been ruined for me.

I may just have to Foe Peta for the remainder of this game, idk. Anyway, sorry again to everyone who had to read our toxic interactions. Whatever you believe or don’t believe Peta, you are legit harming me and it’s not game related but I’m sure you will continue to unfairly accuse me of that. I have been legit crying almost every day because of how you’re treating me in this game and if you or anyone else thinks I am doing this to affect anyone’s read on me, you don’t know the first thing about me because I would never do anything like this as a form of manipulation ever. I also don’t ever fake my emotions ever and I’m not lying about any of this.

I shouldn’t have called you that, I should try to be classy and better than you. I apologise to the rest of the playerlist for my behavior but Peta is seriously harming me with his attitude and it just not acceptable to me.

you're gross, don't engage with me

I’m going to have faith that you treat people better than this outside of games and leave it at that.

i'm going tp pull this up again. maybe you don't want to read it. but you need to be reminded. sorry.

this literally does not happen if i am scum. harley pulled AtE that compromised my ability to interact with her ingame with any integrity whatsoever. when someone makes that type of clam it makes it impossible to sort them in a fair way. note that she did not use this sort of nastiness against skitter. she knows i am town when she is doing this

if scum are going to play dirty i'm going to use it to clear myself

[petapan]

that is to say nothing of how

skitter tried to murder me

[petapan]

I'm caught up enough I think. I just haven't found anything to really dig into. The mechanics seem the most interesting thing, but I don't think it's really the right time to talk about that, at least until we have the first challenge under our belts. My reads are awful, and I have this impression that no one's done or said anything really noteworthy. Like in Radio Buzz by this time we had several 1v1s or 1v1v1s. I see a few here, but they're junior varsity spats. I'm seeing what I think is a frustrated Gamma leading the pack, but I'm not sure why he's so scum read, which makes me think I need to go back and read the beginning of the game again, which I started doing. I do kind of agree with whomever said that thing about Ceph being similar to RB, and I think I need more than just that feeling to scum read him I think. I dunno, I'm just missing a ground hold here.

You feel very weird and like muted as compared to radio buzz. There iirc u also kinda missed fhe beginning of the game but ur contributions were p quickly p townie. Idk if the difference here is that u need more time to get into the swing pf things, or if ur just scum. Dunno how to differentiate between those universes just yet

Is there anything i can do to help you get into the game?

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

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I'm going to hammer I guess. I think we need a flip, or at least a view of how these days are going to go down.

@galron like 3 posts on top of this u said u werenr sure if gamma is scum + u arent really caughr up / into the game yet. This intent is super premature in that context and doesnt really make sense

Ngl i'm starting to get some cold feet abt gamma
There's been like no resistance, the wagon comp keeps changing, and i dont like how people are popping out of the woodwork to vote him

I'm caught up enough I think. I just haven't found anything to really dig into. The mechanics seem the most interesting thing, but I don't think it's really the right time to talk about that, at least until we have the first challenge under our belts. My reads are awful, and I have this impression that no one's done or said anything really noteworthy. Like in Radio Buzz by this time we had several 1v1s or 1v1v1s. I see a few here, but they're junior varsity spats. I'm seeing what I think is a frustrated Gamma leading the pack, but I'm not sure why he's so scum read, which makes me think I need to go back and read the beginning of the game again, which I started doing. I do kind of agree with whomever said that thing about Ceph being similar to RB, and I think I need more than just that feeling to scum read him I think. I dunno, I'm just missing a ground hold here.

I'm going to hammer I guess. I think we need a flip, or at least a view of how these days are going to go down.

I really don't think we need 10 hours though.

So ur not caught up, dont have a foothold in the game, dont think anything noteworthy has happened, want to do a reread, dont ger why gamma is scimread, but want to hammer him and think waiting 10 hours to do so is too long.

Is that right?

just do not believe skitter stitches up a teammate like this mid day 1, dunn and saber got treated with so much of a lighter touch than this by comparison, skitter chooses to focus on galron in particular over dunn here

[petapan]

i'm very underwhelmed by dunn but don't know if that ai for him, also think it would be a disappointing way to end the day if we ended up flipping him while we have this gamma/galron thing going on

by comparison you get this weaseling