Newbie 2082 - Game Over

[StrangeMatter]

Also, here's a basic (and awful) recap. Igor claimed Tracker, Implosion claimed Jailkeeper, and I've already stated I am not jailkeeper.

[Andante]

ok awesome, thank you! and this no kill was last night yes?

[Andante]

oh! and did tracker have any results? and who was jailkeep on with the no kill?

[Val89]

Igorsprite claimed tracker fairly early D1. No results. On D2, he faked a guilty before retracting, now claims to have been roleblocked both nights.

Players were speculating on D2 that Strange matter was the jailkeeper the existence of which Igor was claiming to be roleblocked pointed to. I believe Igor and catboi were the two slots to say so explicitly, but I also believed that.

Greeting claimed VT D1, myself and catboi did so D2.

Implosion came out as Jailkeep today, D3. Claims to have Jailed catboi n1, and Strangematter N2. No kill took place on either nights.

Please don't take my use of the word claimed to mean I disbelieve any part of that. I am afraid you are going to have to catch up properly to understand the nuances, given some of the play around the PRs this game.

Be warned, this one is a bit of a dumpster fire, and I am at least partially responsible for that, so sorry.

[StrangeMatter]

Sorry if I haven't really been saying much, I've been trying to read into both MafMen's and Frog's ISO.

Also, I realized that no-kill on means I think I have some information I think happened with the night kill. I'm certain I was the target tonight and the gamble worked out in our favor, but I'm going to analyze that kill for a second. Catboi had repeatedly said that they believed I was Jailkeeper, and this may be a stretch but I don't think he performed the kill last night or suggested killing me tonight. I'm guessing, though the kill may have been on me to either 1. flip me and see if I was actually jailkeeper, and 2. Potentially have an easy way to point towards catboi.

If strange ends up being a pr claim, ignore me, but this screams maf to me tbh. It looks like someone coached Strange, feels too "rehearsed" (idk the word I'm looking for)

like, it's just "I haven't been posting, I'm trying to read 2 people. My claim was believed so I'm town"

Usually people who are reading have something they bring up, not just "I'm trying to read 2 people" like, ok, if you tried to read mafmen and frogs, what did you find? I mean, obviously I can't clarify mafmen's thoughts, but that's something to consider, when reading, if you have questions on something just ask

Because I've done this exact play as scum before off-website, and just know from experience?

What? like, to me it doesn't feel like this natural way of thinking, forgive me if I'm wrong, but I read that, and it looks like you're more focused with "Hey I'm town!" instead of pointing out who is scum, like why even mention that you tried to read, when the point of your post was like "Hey tr me!!!" when I don't think anyone was really focusing on you there, feels odd to me

And I already hate listening to you if this is how you're going to act for this game and have dumb accusations like this out of the bat to something that I have some semblance of what works and has worked in the past.

Seriously if that's what you think then fine, but it's still completely wrong from what I'm trying to do.

[StrangeMatter]

I'm already angry today, I'm not dealing with your accusation of LAMIST because it's just incredibly stupid.

[StrangeMatter]

Not right now at least.

[Andante]

hahaha wow ok this game sounds great! I was wondering why it was d3 and 2 deaths, I figured I couldn't count or something, yeah I understand I'm missing a lot, I just needed the overall recap of what is going on, cause already, this is like nothing I've ever played before lol there are some things I want to read before I make anymore comments though. Thank you Val for the details!! and thank you Strange for initially trying to catch me up!

I'll be back in like 16 hours, please no one make any rash decisions in that time, you can do it after I've returned

[Andante]

I'm already angry today, I'm not dealing with your accusation of LAMIST because it's just incredibly stupid.

woah... I'm not trying to cause fights or anything... I just got here and I like keeping games fun... all I did was give my initial thoughts on that post, wasn't trying to attack you personally or anything, I'm sorry if you took it that way <3

[Andante]

and with that, GOOD NIGHT MY NEW FRIENDS!!! I hope to meet the rest of you tomorrow! Along with finding some mafia tomorrow

[catboi]

>_> Hi pony

[catboi]

I feel like the combined votes on mafmen's slot are fairly telling in a phase where bussing is an autoloss. I'm going to kick myself if I had the solve yesterday and let myself get AtE'd out of it.

[catboi]

Andante is atually someone I know from EM! I am terrible at reading her. I assume she did not know this was my alt.


...maybe I'm being overly-generous, but I feel like the immediate fight with and accusation on Strange is way too crazy to be distancing? Even if she were a bit clueless on replace in, it'd be so bad >_>

[catboi]

implo I really don't think the mafmen slot is scum, the play here is just absurd for basically any conceivable team. I can try to case frogs for you?

[implosion]

Sure. I have a fair amount of brain-energy being consumed by real life atm but etc. I'm certainly happy to evaluate a case.

Right now my only concern with you is that I never really bought you being the n1 kill that much (your presence d1 wasn't very large, and Thynhith was cursing your name on the way down). If you're convinced that no MafMen team makes sense and are persuading me toward frogs over MafMen then I do need to note that that can be a point in favor of you/Andante being the scumteam if frogs does flip town. But I still do have a hard time imagining a lot of things you've done this game happening as scum.


Is your team right now roughly frogs/{Strange or Val}? Forgive me if you've already been explicit about this.
I also am sort of eh on if Strange would have committed the kill last night as scum... if they were thinking ahead I think they'd realize they'd be jailkept for sure because of the suspicion on them of being jailkeeper. But there's no real way to know if they'd think that far ahead or in the same way as I am.

[implosion]

whoa. that wasn't how that was supposed to be formatted.

Alas.

[igorsprite]

well, I'll just give yall my initial gut reads,
Margo's entrance, now Val, screams town to me, I don't see scum with the first posts like that
Igor's entrance, not good, felt scummy to me
frogs entrance is really good, that screams town
pseudo, now strange, is suspicious, but I don't think it's WITH Igor

and that's what I got

how you, frogs and val is town if we have a roleblocker among you three? xD

VOTE: Andante

[catboi]

Having an illogical/clueless perspective is not a scumtell. Andante placing herself in a literally impossible perspective with her opening post is much more likely to come from town, because town are uninformed. She just has really bad reads.

[catboi]

Right now my only concern with you is that I never really bought you being the n1 kill that much (your presence d1 wasn't very large, and Thynhith was cursing your name on the way down). If you're convinced that no MafMen team makes sense and are persuading me toward frogs over MafMen then I do need to note that that can be a point in favor of you/Andante being the scumteam if frogs does flip town. But I still do have a hard time imagining a lot of things you've done this game happening as scum.

Shrug, I drew the nightkill in newbie 2081 despite having not much presence there, although I was on a day 1 scum wagon in that game. I seriously do draw nightkills to an odd degree for whatever reason.

I'm fairly sure if I'm scum I just never unvote Val Day 2, certainly don't do it to try to flashwagon MafMen if he's my partner.

I'll take my lumps if it's not frogs but it feels like the surest bet right now, unless someone is coyly pulling a second-level gambit with these votes.

[catboi]

That's E-1 on Andante, please, no one hammer

[catboi]

strange please understand however much you dislike andante's entrance scum aren't bussing into autoloss here

[igorsprite]

is she your partner?

[StrangeMatter]

I'm not hammering that, I just don't like their entrance or how igor is just using his votes.

[Andante]

>_> Hi pony

HIII!!! LONG TIME NO SEE!!! hahaha I wish we were meeting under better circumstances though, if I am e-1 I'm probably going over before I'm free later, and had a chance to figure out what's going on.

For those trying to yeet my slot, it's a town slot lol so if you wanna yeet a green, make sure you have a plan for what you want to do tomorrow when jailkeep gets roleblocked and tracker killed, I guarantee you I'm an easy person to read (ok that could be a lie) but my reads usually mean something and are helpful, so if yall wanna at least give me a chance to look into people before you send me over, I think it'll help tomorrow.

[Andante]

well, I'll just give yall my initial gut reads,
Margo's entrance, now Val, screams town to me, I don't see scum with the first posts like that
Igor's entrance, not good, felt scummy to me
frogs entrance is really good, that screams town
pseudo, now strange, is suspicious, but I don't think it's WITH Igor

and that's what I got

how you, frogs and val is town if we have a roleblocker among you three? xD

VOTE: Andante

lmao and I'm told you're tracker? you sure you have town's best interest in mind? You KNOW I had no clue what was happening, gave yall my initial gut thoughts, I just showed up to a game 44 pages long, and gave some raw unedited thoughts. my first impressions that stood out. Sure I chose to join a 44 page game, not saying there's any excuse, just that as I told yall, I'll have time to read later, I don't have it now. saw I'm e-1 and figured I had to jump in real quick, cause someone probably wants to be the hero and yeet me