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[Andante]

Free pagetop for me

[Azaariah]

my head is all over the place right now. im going to go back to just reading until i can feel more connected with the game.

[MegAzumarill]

Vote Count 1.0.3



Azaariah (3) osuka, Gamma Emerald, T3 [E-4]
Hella Jeff (2) Almost50, April Ludgate
T3 (1) Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald (1) geraintm
Andante (1) Holiday

Not Voting (5) Something_Smart, Hella Jeff, NorwegianboyEE, Andante, Azaariah

Deadline: (expired on 2021-11-22 18:17:16)

Mod Notes:
VC is done by hand. Please let me know if I mess something up.

[Andante]

SHARK!!! IT'S A SHARK!!!!

[April Ludgate]

And one more thing, how often do scum fake claim miller?

I have not seen a true or fake miller claim in a while. The role has become pretty rare.

It used to be... relatively common, I would say, but maybe I'm biased because I've done it (and got away with it, too, though I probably shouldn't have).

Given that miller has become rarer I would say fakeclaiming it would also probably be rare.

If anything you’re the one that made it common.

[April Ludgate]

My introduction to Something_Smart was in a scum chat before I show up Because a game just started

Something_Smart “i think I’m gonna claim Miller”

I check page 1 of the game, he claimed Miller.

I end up fake claiming cop some 10 pages later.

We won with all 3 scum left alive that game.

Good introduction.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Should i vote Jeff, April?

[April Ludgate]

They’re my only strong read, and i haven’t played a game in 10 months, so who knows where my instinct is right now.

[Gamma Emerald]

jeff has seemed town from the start for me but maybe that's just someone who knows how to pocket me and I'm blithely unaware because alt

[Hella Jeff]

Should i vote Jeff, April?

aye, wanna thunderdome?

[Hella Jeff]

Another thing that doesn't sit too well with me, A50, yes they subbed into a maf slot this game, but I think their play thus far has been super similar to:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=86330

The carefree, "I'm not doing anything" personality. I'm just struggling to see A50 as anything higher than null here as well.

andante, a50 weaponized his personality in that game and was constantly reliant on others, which directly contrasts this game

i'm gonna be frank, i'm fine with you pushing there but there's zero way i'm allowing a lim on A50 today
im going to divulge that I was in that game and i've felt considerable differences between both ISOs
my townread was disregarding meta though so that's another bit to add

[Hella Jeff]

jeff has seemed town from the start for me but maybe that's just someone who knows how to pocket me and I'm blithely unaware because alt

i too am prone to pockets from the most unbearable gimmick alts

[Hella Jeff]

hella jeff prediction: azaariah says something really towny with 1 hours and 16 minutes left on d1 and someone nobody asked for to die dies

[Azaariah]

if you think im town, what is this shade for?? you've been consistently calling me town why constantly shading me. i dont understand what you are doing at this point.

[Azaariah]

while

[Hella Jeff]

if you're around, I would love some explanation on T3, you say you can't look at him badly and that he's shown "genuine conviction in game-specific topics" I would really love some help seeing what makes him towny, A50 I'm not fully certain on, but I can see a Holiday/aza/dwlee town world. T3 is the one I would really love to hear more on though if you have a moment

kk i remember now
the spiel he went into early-game about if free spirit was x identity he could see both them and gamma being SvS. looking back, it seems like moonlogic which makes me believe it's genuine even more
coincidentally or not i see no mention of that on your T3 case. is this something you took into account?

[Hella Jeff]

if you think im town, what is this shade for?? you've been consistently calling me town why constantly shading me. i dont understand what you are doing at this point.

i'm not implying you're scum, i'm implying that the people voting you are doing so for reasons so lax that a rushed d1 pivot is a legitimate concern

[osuka]

pffffFFFFFT my gre scores came back and i scored a 5.5 in analytical writing lets fucking go

catching up again

prepare yourselves

[Hella Jeff]

gonna ruin my personal enjoyment of the game again and return to gimmick posting
otherwise i'm putting this name to waste

[osuka]

im not caught up at this point but what i have to say is that although i do think it's a possibly that andante is town now (unlike previously), i still believe that is the optimal elimination today. there's a couple reasons i have for this but i do think a clear cut andante flip brings clarity to a lot of questions. i think it helps shut down future speculation that is useless noise and i dont think andante staying in the game helps town even if they do happen to be town here (based on this gamestate and other factors). my last point is that andante has posted posts saying "it's ok if i die today if it's good for town" so that just means the slot is vt or scum. i dont see the harm in taking a gamble on a high information flip that cant be a town pr and might even be scum.

to anyone who scum reads andante and myself, that doesn't make sense. all of my posts have been calling andante scum and had i been the one interacting with andante when they just got back, there would be even more posts calling them scum. creating an environment that feels, even if it is not entirely, a 1v1 between myself and a scum buddy is possibly the worst situation to put myself in on day 1 as scum. and lets just say you still believe we're scum together, ok since you believe that so firmly, it doesn't matter which scum dies first right? help me bus my buddy.

to anyone who scum reads me and not andante. andante's green flip brings me a lot of pressure tomorrow and as scum, that's not optimal for day 2. andante's green flip would attract investigative my way tonight as well as put me under a lot of pressure tomorrow. i could be slightly shading andante or simply hopping on t3 here instead. and let's say t3 is my scum buddy. the first person i look to as a "LHF" slot to tunnel, is still not andante.

i am absolutely willing to 1v1 andante here because i believe andante is a valuable flip that brings clarity to the game. i am fully willing to take responsibility and be subject to pages and pages of questioning tomorrow if this flips town. i think an andante flip today is the optimal choice.

from a gamestate perspective, i think andante elim benefits town in every scenario there could possibly be. to anyone that trusts that i am town, let me lead this wagon. even if it is wrong, it is lead by town and finding scum on the wagon is an easier job if you believe it is lead by town. i am not offering myself up as the elim tomorrow if andante flips town but i am willing to be on the cutting board. im willing to be the person that people blame. i know this may not help but i do think that an andante flip is very valuable here especially over someone like t3. what do we gain from a flip like that?

but what do we gain from an andante flip? well we know that if they are scum, a number of people like t3, holiday, april, and myself are somewhat cleared.
if they are town, we reanalyze the wagon and everyone's reasons for joining. we look at the resistance as well and try to find where scum ended up positioning themselves.
we gain more from an andante flip than any other flip today.

okay so quick reply here since a bit has happened since this was posted but this is a bonafide dumpster fire

from the top: you're saying andante is town but you STILL wanna kill that slot? what the fuck? future speculation isn't just noise - even if all the slots being discussed are green, the discussion itself is what you can leverage to get scum. i shouldn't have to explain that. why are you playing dumb?

i have so many questions from this post. why are you saying andante has to be vt or scum? that's a reach. why are you saying andante's flip is bad if you're scum? that puts pressure on you? that's nothing you can't deflect if you're good enough at it. if i'm scum, i'll take that trade and honestly a good scum player can get out of much, much worse than that.

andante's flip brings no sort of clarity a flip on YOUR slot wouldn't bring because you're conveniently forgetting that you're the other side of the 1v1 and nearly all of the same conclusions can be drawn if we have YOUR flip instead of andante's. executing a player you believe is town is never the optimal play for town and it's almost insulting that you think we're dumb enough to pretend like it is

this is a sad fucking post and the only thing to agree with in this heap of garbage is the fact that andante and you probably aren't scumbuddies, but that's so obvious that you might as well not have said it to begin with

[WubblyBubbly]

im having some login issues but it sounded like no shade and i also never understood why holiday and a50 were higher than me in your reads. you made so many posts calling me town and included reasons yet im not higher than holiday and a50 who you havent made any significant posts on?? to be honest i also think holiday is the towniest but still

[osuka]

VOTE: aza in case i wasn't already

this slot is fucking ridiculous. this reeks of caught scum after a half-assed push went sideways and it's really really sad

[osuka]

im having some login issues but it sounded like no shade and i also never understood why holiday and a50 were higher than me in your reads. you made so many posts calling me town and included reasons yet im not higher than holiday and a50 who you havent made any significant posts on?? to be honest i also think holiday is the towniest but still

im sorry who are you again

[osuka]

what the fuck is going on

[osuka]

did someone just alt slip with another alt? what on earth?

what the fuck is my life