Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[SirCakez]

I think Gamma's response to the wagon was town

in what way?

~ skitter

don't think they confront it like they did in this game as scum

[Fun and Games]

what would u suggest for the future?

maybe 'agenda-ness' or something idk

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

maybe manipulative isn't the right word but I don't know what is
like I feel like you're trying to keep the game going a certain way?
in that post it's like you're having this discussion with Ico but obviously you're not taking anything from it because you're signaling that you're gonna end up on him anyways so it all seems kinda faked

thanks
i mean i did start off being suspicious of him to begin with, and me and pooky had discussed while he was gone that if he didn't like wow us with overwhelming towniness when he came back we wanted to vote there, yeah

~ skitter

[VP Baltar]

F&G, are all skitter posts signed by skitter and all non-signed posts by pooky?

[Fun and Games]

i've signed nearly all of mine, but i forgot a couple of times - if you have questions feel free to quote and i'll tell you who wrote it
pooky hasn't been signing at all

~ skitter

[VP Baltar]

Just curious. You seem to be doing a lot of the posting and I was wondering if that was intentional or how you two are deciding who is posting what

[Fun and Games]

no, we're both kinda just posting whatever we want to

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

we mostly talk about the game on discord and skitter posts more because she is much more eloquent (and way smarter)


:3

[Sleepless Assassin]

Sircakez I can see where skitter sounds confident and I can even see where that can be associated with scum because you don't second guess reads that you already know. But I think it's more likely skitter is just a strong player. You can see the same confidence from multiple players in this game. So while I can follow that logic I don't agree. What I'm still confused on is where you say she was manipulative on page 37

Preview edit: Oh ok. I see the answer to the above. Hmm. I don't know, I feel like that's a pretty normal way to interact with someone you're already scumreading.

[Fun and Games]

Also i want to point out that dunn is still doing like nothing

~ skitter

[VP Baltar]

Also i want to point out that dunn is still doing like nothing

~ skitter

[Sleepless Assassin]

This thread goes so quiet at night...

[Enchant]

It's actually day for me.

[Sleepless Assassin]

Europe?

[Enchant]

No.

[Fun and Games]

@ss can we get a vc plz?

[Bingle]

VC 1.7

Iconeum (4)- Sleepless Assassin, PenguinPower, Gamma Emerald, Datisi
Dunnstral (2)- VP Baltar, Iconeum,
Gamma Emerald (2)- Almost50, Bingle
F+G (1)- SirCakez
Not_Mafia (1)- Not_Mafia
Sleepless Assassin (1)- Enchant
PenguinPower (1)- Fun and Games

Not voting (1)- Dunnstral

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-11-23 23:00:00)

Mod notes: it hailed today. quite a lot. upstate NY weather is weird

Dats voted ico, cakez voted you

[Bingle]

Actually skitter, why

aren’t

you voting ico?

[Fun and Games]

Have been dwelling on your point r.e. wagon composition and trying to decide how much gamma and penguin's votes are bothering me.

We're landing on wanting to vote there anyways

VOTE: ico

Plz note that this is e2, and nm-1

~ skitter

[Bingle]

@Gamma: reading A50 is an art form. I could potentially write pages about how I go about doing so. When I have a lockdown on him (which I’m not quite at, but we’re getting close) you’d be better served trying to eliminate me than him, such is my accuracy. I cannot always lock town town him or figure out scum him, but when I’m sure you can take it to the bank.

Tl;dr I know him well enough to be able to distinguish the difference between his genuine tinfoils and his fake ones, as well as read into the intent of his 5D chess gambles. There is a slight chance he’s trying to manipulate me specifically here, but doing so this early when it’s not at all guaranteed I actually catch scum him is asking for trouble.

As far as what he’s actually doing? He’s dropping specific tells that make him look like he’s a pr in a way that is likely to draw pr and scum attention. When confronted with tacit protection from me he’s ducking the thread in a way that would make most people reconsider their townread on him, but which is further likely to draw unwanted from scum attention from PRs. He explicitly does not care about that, and that’s plus town specifically in his case. Note: I don’t think this makes him a PR, necessarily, as A50 loves playing the wifom game with intentionally dropped or tells, and with me in the game he expects me to take his wifom game and make it explicit to further thicken the smokescreen he’s putting in front of the other town prs.

Also, his gotcha moment on you followed by sitting back and looking to see what happened is pretty bog standard for a town A50 looking to leverage one solid read into more solid reads.

VP on the other hand has just been playing a very solid game. I can see his reasoning in most cases, and everything he does pings as trying to drive forward a game state with high readability. He’s not afraid of stepping on toes, making unpopular stances, or being seen as going after lhf. His one weird thought moment was accusing you of being less engaging with the thread, but he didn’t do so in a way that put any pressure on you while he did try to pressure Dunn with it and your response to it pretty much confirmed to me it wasn’t him trying to throw weak shade at a partner for distance.

[SirCakez]

maybe manipulative isn't the right word but I don't know what is
like I feel like you're trying to keep the game going a certain way?
in that post it's like you're having this discussion with Ico but obviously you're not taking anything from it because you're signaling that you're gonna end up on him anyways so it all seems kinda faked

thanks
i mean i did start off being suspicious of him to begin with, and me and pooky had discussed while he was gone that if he didn't like wow us with overwhelming towniness when he came back we wanted to vote there, yeah

~ skitter

okay well I just want to see where you guys go next

Sircakez I can see where skitter sounds confident and I can even see where that can be associated with scum because you don't second guess reads that you already know. But I think it's more likely skitter is just a strong player. You can see the same confidence from multiple players in this game. So while I can follow that logic I don't agree. What I'm still confused on is where you say she was manipulative on page 37

Preview edit: Oh ok. I see the answer to the above. Hmm. I don't know, I feel like that's a pretty normal way to interact with someone you're already scumreading.

Skitter is definitely a strong player - I'm just paranoid here because they are good at snowing me and when they are town I feel I get a certain vibe from their play that I am not getting here.

[SirCakez]

@Gamma: reading A50 is an art form. I could potentially write pages about how I go about doing so. When I have a lockdown on him (which I’m not quite at, but we’re getting close) you’d be better served trying to eliminate me than him, such is my accuracy. I cannot always lock town town him or figure out scum him, but when I’m sure you can take it to the bank.

Tl;dr I know him well enough to be able to distinguish the difference between his genuine tinfoils and his fake ones, as well as read into the intent of his 5D chess gambles. There is a slight chance he’s trying to manipulate me specifically here, but doing so this early when it’s not at all guaranteed I actually catch scum him is asking for trouble.

As far as what he’s actually doing? He’s dropping specific tells that make him look like he’s a pr in a way that is likely to draw pr and scum attention. When confronted with tacit protection from me he’s ducking the thread in a way that would make most people reconsider their townread on him, but which is further likely to draw unwanted from scum attention from PRs. He explicitly does not care about that, and that’s plus town specifically in his case. Note: I don’t think this makes him a PR, necessarily, as A50 loves playing the wifom game with intentionally dropped or tells, and with me in the game he expects me to take his wifom game and make it explicit to further thicken the smokescreen he’s putting in front of the other town prs.

Also, his gotcha moment on you followed by sitting back and looking to see what happened is pretty bog standard for a town A50 looking to leverage one solid read into more solid reads.

VP on the other hand has just been playing a very solid game. I can see his reasoning in most cases, and everything he does pings as trying to drive forward a game state with high readability. He’s not afraid of stepping on toes, making unpopular stances, or being seen as going after lhf. His one weird thought moment was accusing you of being less engaging with the thread, but he didn’t do so in a way that put any pressure on you while he did try to pressure Dunn with it and your response to it pretty much confirmed to me it wasn’t him trying to throw weak shade at a partner for distance.

I am not this good at reading A50 but I agree with the general sentiments on both VP and him

[Bingle]

also how is 919 manipulative ...

It pinged me as being super obvious telegraphing your next step. Town doesn’t need to setup the expectation that they’ll do something, but it can be helpful as hell for scum to point back at.

I’m trying not to default to scumreading the little things from you given VPs point that I might be being less charitable than I should be irt your motivations though.

[Something_Smart]

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[Something_Smart]

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