Newbie 2082 - Game Over

[frogsfrogs]

I still don’t quite get it, so are you saying that you believe that because of how inexperienced people are, that it doesn’t mean they are newbie town?

No, no. Context: I and several other players at the time had thought igor's first few posts were scummy. His sheeping Thynhith was especially worrying. MafMen had been arguing that Igor's vote and posting style was too scummy to be scum, but I was arguing that sometimes a first-time scum player

might

actually accidentally make themselves look that scummy out of ignorance, just as much as a newbie town would.

[frogsfrogs]

And do you have mafia experience on a different site?

(I fully admit I was somewhat conf-biasing my case against you yesterday)

This is my first game in any forum mafia setting unfortunatelyyy ^^'''

[Val89]

Who do think are candidates for being my partner, Frogs?

[frogsfrogs]

StrangeMatter, and Igor if you flip goon. I.. think it's the same situation with MafMen's slot actually

except maybe there's a world where he and catboi are partners that have been wildly successful at distancing but not bussing?

I don't know any other configuration that makes sense..

[StrangeMatter]

Why Igor here?

[catboi]

And do you have mafia experience on a different site?

(I fully admit I was somewhat conf-biasing my case against you yesterday)

This is my first game in any forum mafia setting unfortunatelyyy ^^'''

You have experience elsewhere? face to face or chat mafia or the like? Just curious because I feel like I may have been viewing you through the entirely wrong lens here.

[Andante]

I.. think it's the same situation with MafMen's slot actually except maybe there's a world where he and catboi are partners that have been wildly successful at distancing but not bussing?

This slot is green! And as far as I'm concerned, catboi is town for now, was actually like "don't hammer andante!!" when I was E-1, so that's where I'm at, I was gonna say something, then decided to kinda steal the post to ramble lol I'm definitely struggling on where to go with this game, cause this morning it was feeling like this slot was doomed, so like, if it doesn't matter what I have to say, and we're sending me out, I'm tempted to not really try, normally I'd ask for the concerns with me, but like, I can't answer to anything from mafmen. I think my plan is to read into strange, and not go deal with at least one of my entrance reads being wrong, but strange also didn't yeet me,


Also, is it bad to just ask for if anyone else is a pr claim to hard claim it? Cause I'm not doing speculation over this tracker thing

[StrangeMatter]

Implosion claimed.

[Andante]

me: I'm gonna ignore the fact that I had strong gut townreads on 2 people, and go figure out who is mafia.

makes perfect sense

[frogsfrogs]

I don't think igor/adante are the scumteam and I know I'm not scum. If there's only a goon in us three, not an rber, then the setup is goon/goon and igor is fakeclaiming ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Igor fakeclaiming means there isn't necessarily a scum in this pool anymore, but we're voting here today. So goon Adante or goon Val = igor partner from my pov.

[Andante]

yeah, Implosion and igor claimed, I'm saying, can we just clear everything up, and go "if anyone else claims pr, claim now!" I'm vt, how everyone is referring to the tracker claim, it's like, if there's no cc just believe it

[Andante]

I don't think igor/adante are the scumteam and I know I'm not scum. If there's only a goon in us three, not an rber, then the setup is goon/goon and igor is fakeclaiming ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Igor fakeclaiming means there isn't necessarily a scum in this pool anymore, but we're voting here today. So goon Adante or goon Val = igor partner from my pov.

isn't igor tracker? if you're not ccing tracker, why are you so sure he's fake?

[frogsfrogs]

And do you have mafia experience on a different site?

(I fully admit I was somewhat conf-biasing my case against you yesterday)

This is my first game in any forum mafia setting unfortunatelyyy ^^'''

You have experience elsewhere? face to face or chat mafia or the like? Just curious because I feel like I may have been viewing you through the entirely wrong lens here.

Some face to face + online games. Town of salem, the tiniest bit of throne of lies, misc. other hidden role games because I like them a lot.

[frogsfrogs]

I don't think igor/adante are the scumteam and I know I'm not scum. If there's only a goon in us three, not an rber, then the setup is goon/goon and igor is fakeclaiming ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Igor fakeclaiming means there isn't necessarily a scum in this pool anymore, but we're voting here today. So goon Adante or goon Val = igor partner from my pov.

isn't igor tracker? if you're not ccing tracker, why are you so sure he's fake?

I'm not shading igor and don't think he's fake. We only vote him if mechanical evidence shows up that he's lying. Check setup C2 please, it's been discussed throughout the game that it's

theoretically

a possibility.

[StrangeMatter]

Okay that clears some of that up, but now I’m wondering why you were so hedgy there Frogsfrogs?

[frogsfrogs]

I'm VT. I think we're long past anyone in here trying to cc implosion or igor.

[frogsfrogs]

Hedgey? There's only so many possible setups left imo, and I feel like I'm setting up a clear flowchart of what I'd like to do, not being wishy washy. We flip Val or Adante today in search of the RBer. If they're town then flip the other, if they're the RBer then flip you. I feel like you're killing me with a thousand needles here.

[StrangeMatter]

I think I might've found something that could be useful here, but I need to confirm something with the moderator.

Also nevermind I checked and it probably wouldn’t work, being all mechanical, involving Igor and Implosion.

I mean hedgy in the post about Mafmen’s TSTBS.

[Val89]

Hedgey? There's only so many possible setups left imo, and I feel like I'm setting up a clear flowchart of what I'd like to do, not being wishy washy. We flip Val or Adante today in search of the RBer. If they're town then flip the other, if they're the RBer then flip you. I feel like you're killing me with a thousand needles here.

So, to be clear your plan here is to flip me or Adante today, and you don't really care much; then -

Val town -> flip Adante. If Adnate is RBer, flip SM; if Adante if goon, flip Igor; where I and Adante can switch positions in that first interchangably?
Val goon -> flip Igor;
Val RB -> flip SM.

Is that right, and if so, have you considered which scumteams that plan loses to?

[frogsfrogs]

OH, sure. It's definitely my writing style mostly. I do a lot of that. But also it's a day one, page, like, 3 read I'm explaining, so it wasn't the most confident.

[frogsfrogs]

Is that right, and if so, have you considered which scumteams that plan loses to?

I mean, both yes and no, not explicitly. I haven't been checking numbers yet.

5v2 today, vote Val or Adante.

If town flip

, RBer is alive. They RB implosion, probably, and kill Igor.
3v2 tomorrow.
Town

needs

to flip the player not voted yesterday, barring wild new info.
> If still town, the scumteam is StrangeMatter or Catboi and Igor. They win.

> If RBer, the jk jails strangematter.
- They are the scum and the kill fails, town is 3v1 and votes strange, town win
- OR we were wrong. Implosion dies and strangematter is cleared, 2v1. Have to decide if catboi or the non-voted Val / Adante is the more likely partner to the RBer. Risky.

> If goon, the jk jails Igor, it's 3v1 and we vote him out the next day, town wins.

If RBer flip OR goon flip

today, see above but with another number. > Jail strangematter, 5v1 and vote strangematter or 4v1 and vote the next most likely partner. > Jail Igor and vote him. Town win.


Yeah, these are bets I can take, I'm happy with this path. Only way to change it would be to advocate for flipping strangematter today and keeping RBer alive for sure, lol.

[StrangeMatter]

Why are you gunning for my elimination anyways? Also, Val89 what is your current opinion of my slot?

[Val89]

Is that right, and if so, have you considered which scumteams that plan loses to?

I mean, both yes and no, not explicitly. I haven't been checking numbers yet.

5v2 today, vote Val or Adante.

Well, I certainly think you need to, if you want me, or anyone else to endorse your plan. You need to show you have considered the teams you lose to, and explain why you are ruling them out. You can't handwave it away by "Well, maybe we just lose" and not having thought about it.

Why are you either ruling out, or, if you are town, happy to lose to SM/Igor?

Have to decide if catboi or the non-voted Val / Adante is the more likely partner to the RBer. Risky.

Secondly, given you call this "risky", do you think Val/Catboi, Val/Adante and Adante/Catboi are all equally likely scum partnerships given the game so far?

[StrangeMatter]

Sorry, I mean it just looks you're 100% trying to play around me being the goon here which I don't just don't get.

[catboi]

StrangeMatter, and Igor if you flip goon. I.. think it's the same situation with MafMen's slot actually

except maybe there's a world where he and catboi are partners that have been wildly successful at distancing but not bussing?

I don't know any other configuration that makes sense..

I am going to read this post as town for possibly stupid reasons, which means I have gone wrong somewhere

possibly if I look at things independent from associations I don't like andante's introduction. Stay tuned.