Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: iconeum
I'm gonna throw my old townblock out the window and make a new one with

blackjack and hookers

cakez, enchant, f&g, and penguin at the center

what's up

Lmao why does my slot act like a genie and only appears when summoned

What did we used to call this? Wasn't it like the Amished tell or something? Is that still a thing?

It never was.

[PenguinPower]

Halfway through. A50 and Enchant are town so far.

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: iconeum
I'm gonna throw my old townblock out the window and make a new one with

blackjack and hookers

cakez, enchant, f&g, and penguin at the center

what's up

Lmao why does my slot act like a genie and only appears when summoned

What did we used to call this? Wasn't it like the Amished tell or something? Is that still a thing?

Yes. Very interesting

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: iconeum
I'm gonna throw my old townblock out the window and make a new one with

blackjack and hookers

cakez, enchant, f&g, and penguin at the center

what's up

Lmao why does my slot act like a genie and only appears when summoned

What did we used to call this? Wasn't it like the Amished tell or something? Is that still a thing?

It never was.

It definitely was a thing. I was in the original game I think?

RIP Amished

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm saying it's not really a reliable tell, some people just are upset they rep into a scummy town slot and can't undo the damage

[DArby]

Halfway through. A50 and Enchant are town so far.

How so?

[PenguinPower]

I'm curious as to why you think they are town halfway in - especially A50.

[Datisi]

things that have pinged me wrong about iconeum the dragon:

- the "i have zero scumpings so far" in 61. it's not unreasonable to not have scumpings, but something about purposefully calling it out made it seem a bit forced - like he thinks town!him *would* be having scumpings by that point so he wants to cover his ass there.

- i think i already talked about it, but the "why are you worried about not having a read on me yet" (93, 509). like, it reminded me of scum!ico who sometimes has the habit of pre-emptively building a push on me, but the issue is if he builds it too early.

- shading vp in 513 but then voting dunn in 519 is kinda ???. now, i don't think it's scummy in of itself, but further through his iso, i'm not sure i get the vibe of him actually trying to sort through dunn/vp.

- also, the way he seemed very certain on dunn being a solid yeet for today just feels... agh, icky. i'm not sure if i'm making things up here, but something about being read to *yeet* dunn already feels kind of off, at least based on the way he presented it.

- this is maybe more within tinfoil territory, but 909 and 928 feel kind of contradictory to one another. specifically the parts where he first says that he's been liking my posts, and then there's the 1v1 we'd been having, and then that i should know i haven't done enough for him to townread me. but, i thnk the "i've been liking your posts" implies that there is material for him to townread me, except that material is "tainted" by the 1v1. to then turn it into "you haven't done enough" feels ???, like he realized he has to defend the weird null read on me so he's turning it into that. and the "if you're honest with yourself, you should know" just feels manipulative. :/

[Datisi]

bingle, am i correct in getting the feeling that you're not playing as hard as you did in that mystery box of silver potion clusterfuck game?

[Datisi]

i mean yes, but we both know n_m is n_m. and i was guessing you didn't have experience with penguin's meta. which is what i'm talking about, if at the time you didn't know he just ~acts like this~, why didn't you put him into that group? (here i'd have to go back to check whether anyone mentioned his meta by that point, but am lazy)

@vp, i believe this wasn't answered

[Almost50]

My opinion fwiw (if it's worth anything at all): The Ico/D'Arby slot is TOWN. No way BOTH TR me here if this was a scum slot. I should be LHF (at least theoretically) and they didn't get to "talk to each other" so that the former passes the latter "the strategy" they were following.

Take it with a grain of slat, a twist of lemon, and in one shot.

[Datisi]

I'm interested in hearing from you if you think his play differs here from when he was scum with you on D1. Just feel like I've tried to give him opportunities to engage with me in a real way, and he's trying to end those as fast as possible to return to lurking. It's major bad vibes for me.

okay, so i skimmed through his iso here and the beginnings of it in 2195, and uhhh. like, if i had to guess, i would say that the posting *is* different, since on reread he gave me a vibe there of somewhat trying to please others there (most notably this post felt a bit fluffed up) while his posts here give more of a vibe of not giving a fuck, but... i'd be lying if i said i feel this with any kind of certainty.

i do have some knowledge of dunn's meta, and i know he has a few games where he's a useless lurksack as town early. which is why i don't feel too comfortable instantly scumbinning this behaviour. i don't have *enough* meta though to know whether he's more likely to be town or scum because of it. so i guess the conclusion is "lol idk i might be fine voting there if nothing else interesting comes up".

[Datisi]

also, a50, you should stop townreading people for townreading you when you think you're acting like lhf.

[Datisi]

@sleepless, could i get you to explain your current view of this game? doesn't have to be long. a lot of your posts feel kinda, idk, i feel like my eyes are glazing over a lot of them.

[PenguinPower]

My opinion fwiw (if it's worth anything at all): The Ico/D'Arby slot is TOWN. No way BOTH TR me here if this was a scum slot. I should be LHF (at least theoretically) and they didn't get to "talk to each other" so that the former passes the latter "the strategy" they were following.

Take it with a grain of slat, a twist of lemon, and in one shot.

counterpoint: scum pt

[Almost50]

also, a50, you should stop townreading people for townreading you when you think you're acting like lhf.

Where did I say I TR'd them for TRing me?? I said they BOTH did it. I wasn't sure about Ico and considered the possibility it was in his strategy to pocket/WK me. I just don't believe D'Arby comes in and the first thing he does is to copy that strategy. It doesn't make sense for a sub-in scum who is on the chop.

[Almost50]

Countercounterpoint: Does one usually go about whom they're going to TR and what for in the scum PT? I personally have never witnessed that

[PenguinPower]

countercountercounterpoint: depends on the player but it's not uncommon to strategize on how you are going to approach other players - who you are going to push and why, or who you are going to tr and why.

[Almost50]

As I said.. I've never witnessed it myself, but maybe you did.

[Datisi]

I just don't believe D'Arby comes in and the first thing he does is to copy that strategy. It doesn't make sense for a sub-in scum who is on the chop.

i'm not sure i see why that is supposed to be such an unlikely strategy?

[DArby]

I'm curious as to why you think they are town halfway in - especially A50.

Same reason as Enchant, honestly.

[DArby]

My opinion fwiw (if it's worth anything at all): The Ico/D'Arby slot is TOWN. No way BOTH TR me here if this was a scum slot. I should be LHF (at least theoretically) and they didn't get to "talk to each other" so that the former passes the latter "the strategy" they were following.

Take it with a grain of slat, a twist of lemon, and in one shot.

counterpoint: scum pt

I don’t believe a player with low activity count who had to be replaced d1 and had no real contribution would put in the effort to write a strategy in the scum pt. I also don’t believe I’d follow the advice of someone who’s already in the hot seat intentionally.

[DArby]

I just don't believe D'Arby comes in and the first thing he does is to copy that strategy. It doesn't make sense for a sub-in scum who is on the chop.

i'm not sure i see why that is supposed to be such an unlikely strategy?

Regardless of alignment that is objectively a stupid strategy for me to copy Ico’s reads.

Not to mention I forgot who I was subbing for until the second half of reading through because he was barely active. Of the top of my head I could actually tell you what his reads were.

[PenguinPower]

Forgive me if I don't necessarily believe that coming from the player who replaced the slot.

[PenguinPower]

I'm curious as to why you think they are town halfway in - especially A50.

Same reason as Enchant, honestly.

Could you be more specific?