Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Bingle]

And some people blame the person they replaced for poor play in order to attempt to wipe the slate clean and start over as if the slot is brand new. It's not a sure fire tell in my opinion but it has merit.

Amished was actually briefly a reliable towntell in regular games when it became super popular in the newbie queue. No idea if it's swung back to usable though.

And as it was explained to me it's more a function of confirmation bias. You know the slot you're reading is scum, so you default to seeing the behaviors as scummy.

[VP Baltar]

Then you're massively underestimating my confidence in the read.

How confident are you that the Ico slot is scum? Give me a percent.

[Fun and Games]

And some people blame the person they replaced for poor play in order to attempt to wipe the slate clean and start over as if the slot is brand new. It's not a sure fire tell in my opinion but it has merit.

Amished was actually briefly a reliable towntell in regular games when it became super popular in the newbie queue. No idea if it's swung back to usable though.

And as it was explained to me it's more a function of confirmation bias. You know the slot you're reading is scum, so you default to seeing the behaviors as scummy.

you mean scumtell, right?
i think it's fairly reliable

i'm not convinced that the post in question *is* the amished tell tho

~ skitter

[DArby]

@D'Arby: Check my 1160 (between the brackets)

I don't think your opinion doesn't matter, but I personally don't put too much stock in one read out of two matching.

[Fun and Games]

I kinda wanna vote somewhere that isn't VP but I also fucking hate him trying to act like I owe him anything
It's that age-old thing of "you respect me

as an authority

and I'll respect you

as a person

" which I do not support or abide in any form

I think I quoted this but I’ll quote this again. This post gives me my strongest TR this game with Gamma.

can you please explain this town-read ?

[Fun and Games]

Darby do you have a read on dats?

pedit that was pooky btw

~ skitter

[DArby]

I kinda wanna vote somewhere that isn't VP but I also fucking hate him trying to act like I owe him anything
It's that age-old thing of "you respect me

as an authority

and I'll respect you

as a person

" which I do not support or abide in any form

I think I quoted this but I’ll quote this again. This post gives me my strongest TR this game with Gamma.

can you please explain this town-read ?

If scum!Gamma wanted to make a wagon and cause a mislim she wouldn't show her bias against VP. Rather, he made a case against VP for personal reasons that have a natural buildup. This isn't something that would be directly town-indicative. This feels like genuine emotion that could discredit Gamma down the line, which I don't think he'd want as scum. Given my limited experience, I'm willing to give this behavior a townread.

[VP Baltar]

Iconeum pinged me for not directly answering Datisi asking his alignment. Then there was the overly self conscious "in before scumslip" post after the weird but admittedly relatable string of posts about not remembering how to play. The "did we roll t/t" post pinged again. Just feels like unnecessarily saying "I'm town".

Just to be clear, this is Sleepless' full case on Iconeum.

I went back through Sleepless' iso to see if he pushed on Ico, as he claimed, and the extent of it is asking a couple people what their read on Ico is, and then appealing -- to no one in particular -- something to the effect of "can we just yeet Ico now."

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sleepless Assassin

There's malarkey here. He may even be partners with a hypothetical Ico-scum. I don't buy his vote/unvote on Gamma when that was getting steam, and I can't tell you a single place he is seriously pushing outside of that.

If I can't get Dunn today, I think this is a good bet.

[DArby]

Darby do you have a read on dats?

pedit that was pooky btw

~ skitter

Not yet, no.

[Sleepless Assassin]

his is Sleepless' full case on Iconeum.

I'm legitimately surprised. I didn't know that

[VP Baltar]

his is Sleepless' full case on Iconeum.

I'm legitimately surprised. I didn't know that

Feel free to elaborate if I'm missing something. What is your case on Ico/DArby?

[Sleepless Assassin]

Read my ISO. I had to have mentioned them at least 20 times. Maybe 40 and you'd consider it a push. You aren't even trying to understand though. You're pushing a narrative.

[Bingle]

you mean scumtell, right?

No. There was a brief period in the meta of the site where it was referenced often enough that it was actually pretty solid that only town would make the mistake of commenting on their predecessor's play. I think it was late 2013 early 2014. It was extreme blowback to the tell becoming popular as a scumtell.

[VP Baltar]

What is your case on Ico/DArby?

[Fun and Games]

you mean scumtell, right?

No. There was a brief period in the meta of the site where it was referenced often enough that it was actually pretty solid that only town would make the mistake of commenting on their predecessor's play. I think it was late 2013 early 2014. It was extreme blowback to the tell becoming popular as a scumtell.

oh hmmmm i didn't know that! def before my time

~ skitter

[Sleepless Assassin]

Read my ISO. I had to have mentioned them at least 20 times. Maybe 40 and you'd consider it a push. You aren't even trying to understand though. You're pushing a narrative.

[VP Baltar]

To clarify, SA, I have read your ISO.

[Fun and Games]

vp he's been scumreading ico since like his second post

~ skitter

[VP Baltar]

vp he's been scumreading ico since like his second post

~ skitter

First post actually.

[Bingle]

A50 prob town, really reading like his previous game recently

Can you give a link and quick summary of what you find similar?

Note to self:

Iconeum forgot Penguin in his reads list.

Curious why you felt we needed a new wagon here, and why you were asking for support rather than just making a case and trying to start one yourself?

If I remember right we had one wagon and no competing wagon so it felt like a good time for a new one. I had already been trying to get people to vote Iconeum at that point.

Coming back here, this stinks to high heaven to me. 1) There is no real explanation why Dunn is a bad wagon, just a desire to deflate the wagon. 2) SA was trying to feel out an Ico wagon in his previous post, but when no one bites he jumps on Gamma, where the momentum was starting to shift at this point. Very high Dunn-SA partner equity, which improving forecasts perhaps for Gamma.

If you don't agree with my take on Dunns exchange with Fun And Games then unfortunately you'd be right I don't have a reason to town read him because that's the most telling thing I've seen from Dunn aside from his comment that you called a soft claim. But let me clarify that it's not the wagon composition that I didn't like, it's my specific read on Dunn. I think he's townier than Gamma. So I preferred Gamma.

But I'm not really scumreading Gamma either.

Vote Iconeum

lol wut dafuq? (emphasis mine)

Is it unreasonable to believe Bingle that Gamma is going through RL things? Or is it unreasonable to believe RL can lead to apathy just as much as Gammas alignment could?

Wow, just ISOed Sleepless Assassin .... dude had an RVS-level vote on Ico out there until he determined the Dunn wagon was "bad" and he voted for Gamma.

>>insert Twitter red flag meme here<<

Interesting take. I didn't place an RVS vote in this game.

I'm not really sure what to do with the fact that like all of dunn/gamma/ico are pushing each other

If Dunn and Gamma are town and Ico is scum this would make sense.

I will say someone mentioned Gamma has some IRL shit going on, so I am taking that into consideration in reviewing my own read there.

This is funny after you questioned me for reevaluating my own Gamma read for the exact same reason.

Hitting submit before finishing because my phone is acting up

This also is reasoning ish.

[Fun and Games]

vp is your issue that you don't think sa has sufficiently explained his reasonign?

~ skitter

[Bingle]

I don't see another way to parse his 1207.

And FWIW, there are exactly 28 instances of "ico" on SA's ISO.

[VP Baltar]

vp is your issue that you don't think sa has sufficiently explained his reasonign?

~ skitter

That is what I'm stating at the moment. I also think he is blowing smoke about his Gamma vote.

If he is that confident in an Ico scumread, it seems like he should be able to tell me a bullet point case of why instead of telling me to read his iso.

[Sleepless Assassin]

So it changed? A minute ago your issue was that I haven't been pushing Iconeum

[VP Baltar]

And FWIW, there are exactly 28 instances of "ico" on SA's ISO.

Yes, but I implore everyone to go read his ISO and see how many of those are of substance or pointing out things with scum motivation.