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ISO · Post Post #5800 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:57 pm

In post 5796, MathBlade wrote:I kinda want to elim Koba for policy
But I don’t wanna elim Koba so we can save SirCakez as Titus and Cakez maybe better together.
Thoughts?

I mean I don't want to eliminate Koba today so that we have a chance at saving conftown.
I'm

receptive

to it tomorrow, after doing the research. I'll ultimately side with the conftown on who to vote, after doing the research and advising them, giving my thoughts based on the research. (After all, while I never do as much work as I

want

to do, I always still DO do work.)

ISO · Post Post #5801 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:00 pm

In post 5800, mastina wrote:
In post 5796, MathBlade wrote:I kinda want to elim Koba for policy
But I don’t wanna elim Koba so we can save SirCakez as Titus and Cakez maybe better together.
Thoughts?
I mean I don't want to eliminate Koba today so that we have a chance at saving conftown.
I'm
receptive
to it tomorrow, after doing the research. I'll ultimately side with the conftown on who to vote, after doing the research and advising them, giving my thoughts based on the research. (After all, while I never do as much work as I
want
to do, I always still DO do work.)

In post 5799, mastina wrote:
In post 5787, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:mastina never votes for koba
I mean I'm not going to override the conftown and tomorrow between Titus and the surviving conftown we're going to have two.

I will
do research
, and I will
advise
the conftown based off of my research. I will share my findings, I will give my opinions, I will tell them what I see and what I think. But I will not vote against them (unless of course they stupidly decide that the scum is me, obv).

Combining ^^^these with pagetopping this:

In post 5798, mastina wrote:
In post 5797, mastina wrote:
In post 5778, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:there's no way he suddenly went from "unable to post as scum" to "top posting god scum bell"
Bell has ~62/200 posts on page one of their iso (altho admittedly, possibly more if some of the unsigned ones were him but even counting those it'd be in the ~75/200 range).

On page two, it's ~71/200.
Bringing the total up to ~136/400 (possibly ~146/400).

On page three, it's ~63/200.
Bringing the total up to ~199/600 (possibly 209/600).

On page four, it's ~35/82.

Bringing the total up to 234/682. (Possibly 244/682.)

You
say
Bell is unable to post as scum, but the last time I saw Bell as scum, the amount is actually comparable to here.

Bell had 374 posts as scum in Pooky v Flavor Leaf.
You DO remember that that was Bell as SCUM, right?
Bell had 374 posts in Pooky v Flavor Leaf, in spite of being eliminated day phases earlier.

Bell has
less posts in this game
than he did in a game
he was eliminated in half the game earlier
as scum.

The majority of the posts from Milobird have been notscience.
Wait it's even worse than that.

This is DAY PHASE NUMBER EIGHT.
In DAY PHASE NUMBER EIGHT, Bell has ~240-260 posts. Maybe slightly more, depends on just how many of the unsigned posts were Bell not signing, I could've lost count, but this is still his
approximate
posting rate in this game. He has posted
about
250 times in 8 days. Give or take.

In the game YOU WERE THE IC IN, Pooky, Bell,
as scum
, had
350 posts
in two day phases
.

Bell, as scum in that game, had more posts in
two days
than he has in
the entirety of this game
.

I get that Bell looks town.
But he looks a lot less town than you're giving him credit for.

In post 5772, mastina wrote:
In post 5589, DkKoba wrote:and we never solved where the nokill came from
The no kill was almost assuredly scum targeting TIL in an attempt to stop the innocent on MathBlade from going through.

However, I will admit that it's at least
possible
that it was Pooky stopped from killing--that's why my order is Milobird->Pooky here, because I think that just wins us the game.

In post 5592, DkKoba wrote:@mastina i dont care how confident u are on milo scum because if you actually read my exchange with milo d7 you would see that they are town
I agree that they look town from it.

So do you, so does Pooky, and so do I, and yet one of us has to be scum in spite of all being town.

In the battle of most town to least town, Pooky and Milobird are bottom two.

In post 5775, mastina wrote:
In post 5643, Milobird wrote:I do wanna hear out Mastina, either because they're going to embarrass themselves or show themselves to be ineffectual. Either works.
If you were expecting a case, I don't have one, outside of just POE:

SirCakez is literally confirmed town from Firebringer. This is an indisputable 100% clear.
MathBlade is literally confirmed town from TIL (
especially
since with one scum left, scum couldn't both be Pooky and try to generate a false clea on MathBlade--TIL was the nightkill on N3 unless Pooky's scum and if Pooky's scum then MB isn't and if TIL was the nightkill, then MB can't be scum because MB wouldn't nightkill the cop about to make a false innocent on him).

DKKoba here is town in just about every single way possible. Like, they've been town from what they've done, their role, their claim, their usage, their belief, their excitement in thinking they did something useful N2 (even if it turned out they hadn't), they aren't wrong in saying they've townslipped in ways I don't think scum would, basically, they are the slot who has the most reason out of any slot to be town.

Plus, even if they didn't--the chance at them getting another killstop off tonight is enough where even if they
weren't
this town, I'd want them alive tomorrow just in case.

Pooky has a lot less going for him to be town. It basically does boil down to, Pooky vigged scum N1, and the scum scumplained that we conftowned him for it. I still believe that the scumplaining was scumplaining. implosion wasn't caught until
after
he had claimed, and fucked up his claim. But the scumplaining happened in the same post
as
his claim. Which meant that,
at the time
, implosion didn't know he was fucked; implosion didn't know he was doomed to die. So the scumplaining I stick by it being more likely to be just that, scumplaining that they can't mislim Pooky.
I'll admit that if it's not Milobird here, then sure, yeah, Pooky basically tops the charts for chances at being scum.

But I genuinely just think it's Milobird here.
notscience has looked town by play; Bell has looked town by play; Bell has been outside the range of what his scum meta has been; their role is likely real and genuine and their usage of it looks town.

But everyone else, I just think is
more
town, and
someone
needs to be scum which is why I think it's just Milobird with Bell/notscience being randomly-playing-very-good scum. Wouldn't be the first game where a scum player with no history of playing good suddenly started playing good. (I just finished a game where Morning Tweet powerwolfed randomly for no good reason.)

ISO · Post Post #5802 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:01 pm

In post 5801, mastina wrote:
In post 5800, mastina wrote:
In post 5796, MathBlade wrote:I kinda want to elim Koba for policy
But I don’t wanna elim Koba so we can save SirCakez as Titus and Cakez maybe better together.
Thoughts?
I mean I don't want to eliminate Koba today so that we have a chance at saving conftown.
I'm
receptive
to it tomorrow, after doing the research. I'll ultimately side with the conftown on who to vote, after doing the research and advising them, giving my thoughts based on the research. (After all, while I never do as much work as I
want
to do, I always still DO do work.)
In post 5799, mastina wrote:
In post 5787, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:mastina never votes for koba
I mean I'm not going to override the conftown and tomorrow between Titus and the surviving conftown we're going to have two.

I will
do research
, and I will
advise
the conftown based off of my research. I will share my findings, I will give my opinions, I will tell them what I see and what I think. But I will not vote against them (unless of course they stupidly decide that the scum is me, obv).
Combining ^^^these with pagetopping this:
In post 5798, mastina wrote:
In post 5797, mastina wrote:
In post 5778, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:there's no way he suddenly went from "unable to post as scum" to "top posting god scum bell"
Bell has ~62/200 posts on page one of their iso (altho admittedly, possibly more if some of the unsigned ones were him but even counting those it'd be in the ~75/200 range).

On page two, it's ~71/200.
Bringing the total up to ~136/400 (possibly ~146/400).

On page three, it's ~63/200.
Bringing the total up to ~199/600 (possibly 209/600).

On page four, it's ~35/82.

Bringing the total up to 234/682. (Possibly 244/682.)

You
say
Bell is unable to post as scum, but the last time I saw Bell as scum, the amount is actually comparable to here.

Bell had 374 posts as scum in Pooky v Flavor Leaf.
You DO remember that that was Bell as SCUM, right?
Bell had 374 posts in Pooky v Flavor Leaf, in spite of being eliminated day phases earlier.

Bell has
less posts in this game
than he did in a game
he was eliminated in half the game earlier
as scum.

The majority of the posts from Milobird have been notscience.
Wait it's even worse than that.

This is DAY PHASE NUMBER EIGHT.
In DAY PHASE NUMBER EIGHT, Bell has ~240-260 posts. Maybe slightly more, depends on just how many of the unsigned posts were Bell not signing, I could've lost count, but this is still his
approximate
posting rate in this game. He has posted
about
250 times in 8 days. Give or take.

In the game YOU WERE THE IC IN, Pooky, Bell,
as scum
, had
350 posts
in two day phases
.

Bell, as scum in that game, had more posts in
two days
than he has in
the entirety of this game
.

I get that Bell looks town.
But he looks a lot less town than you're giving him credit for.
In post 5772, mastina wrote:
In post 5589, DkKoba wrote:and we never solved where the nokill came from
The no kill was almost assuredly scum targeting TIL in an attempt to stop the innocent on MathBlade from going through.

However, I will admit that it's at least
possible
that it was Pooky stopped from killing--that's why my order is Milobird->Pooky here, because I think that just wins us the game.

In post 5592, DkKoba wrote:@mastina i dont care how confident u are on milo scum because if you actually read my exchange with milo d7 you would see that they are town
I agree that they look town from it.

So do you, so does Pooky, and so do I, and yet one of us has to be scum in spite of all being town.

In the battle of most town to least town, Pooky and Milobird are bottom two.
In post 5775, mastina wrote:
In post 5643, Milobird wrote:I do wanna hear out Mastina, either because they're going to embarrass themselves or show themselves to be ineffectual. Either works.
If you were expecting a case, I don't have one, outside of just POE:

SirCakez is literally confirmed town from Firebringer. This is an indisputable 100% clear.
MathBlade is literally confirmed town from TIL (
especially
since with one scum left, scum couldn't both be Pooky and try to generate a false clea on MathBlade--TIL was the nightkill on N3 unless Pooky's scum and if Pooky's scum then MB isn't and if TIL was the nightkill, then MB can't be scum because MB wouldn't nightkill the cop about to make a false innocent on him).

DKKoba here is town in just about every single way possible. Like, they've been town from what they've done, their role, their claim, their usage, their belief, their excitement in thinking they did something useful N2 (even if it turned out they hadn't), they aren't wrong in saying they've townslipped in ways I don't think scum would, basically, they are the slot who has the most reason out of any slot to be town.

Plus, even if they didn't--the chance at them getting another killstop off tonight is enough where even if they
weren't
this town, I'd want them alive tomorrow just in case.

Pooky has a lot less going for him to be town. It basically does boil down to, Pooky vigged scum N1, and the scum scumplained that we conftowned him for it. I still believe that the scumplaining was scumplaining. implosion wasn't caught until
after
he had claimed, and fucked up his claim. But the scumplaining happened in the same post
as
his claim. Which meant that,
at the time
, implosion didn't know he was fucked; implosion didn't know he was doomed to die. So the scumplaining I stick by it being more likely to be just that, scumplaining that they can't mislim Pooky.
I'll admit that if it's not Milobird here, then sure, yeah, Pooky basically tops the charts for chances at being scum.

But I genuinely just think it's Milobird here.
notscience has looked town by play; Bell has looked town by play; Bell has been outside the range of what his scum meta has been; their role is likely real and genuine and their usage of it looks town.

But everyone else, I just think is
more
town, and
someone
needs to be scum which is why I think it's just Milobird with Bell/notscience being randomly-playing-very-good scum. Wouldn't be the first game where a scum player with no history of playing good suddenly started playing good. (I just finished a game where Morning Tweet powerwolfed randomly for no good reason.)

Meant to include this, too.

In post 5793, mastina wrote:
In post 5688, DkKoba wrote:because milo is so blatantly town here
Everyone
is blatantly town since chowchow's death (and even then, while *I* personally couldn't tell that chowchow was blatantly town, plenty of others did).

Like, I am dead serious: the players who look the least town are literally the conftown players, when it comes to play.
...I probably need to explain what I mean by that so it's not misconstrued as shading the conftown players, hmm, how do I word this so the point gets across?
SirCakez is conftown, 100% confirmed as town beyond any shadow of a doubt. He
cannot
be scum. imaginality was the scum Godfather, and Gypyx was the scum universal backup. SirCakez was loyal neighborized N1, Firebringer hard-claimed this and per Pooky, SirCakez claimed this neighborhood in their PT and thus, it cannot be a fabrication, meaning that SirCakez is 100% beyond any shadow of a doubt, town.

...Yet in spite of being conftown, he legit genuinely doesn't
look
town by play. He IS town. He's literally mod-confirmed town. But if you didn't KNOW he was mod-confirmed town, looking at his iso, you'd think he'd top the charts as being a scum candidate by play.

MathBlade is conftown, 100% confirmed as town beyond any shadow of a doubt. He
cannot
be scum. imaginality was the scum Godfather, and Gypyx was the scum universal backup. Even
if
MathBlade could generate a false-innocent on himself
in spite
of those roles, evidence points to him not doing so. TIL investigated MathBlade N2. TIL confirmed MathBlade as town D4. There was a missing kill N3, and the only possible explanations for it are "Pooky is scum and was jailkept" or "scum tried to kill TIL to deny the MathBlade clear from coming through".

If Pooky is scum, then MathBlade by definition could not be scum given one scum left.
If Pooky isn't scum, then MathBlade cannot be scum because MathBlade, as scum, does not kill the cop when the cop is about to generate a false innocent on him.

So regardless, MathBlade is conftown here.

And yet, while MathBlade looks
decent
in iso and looks
reasonably
okay as town, compared to the non-conftown players, MathBlade doesn't look nearly as town as they do by play. He IS town. He's literally mod-confirmed town. But if you didn't KNOW he was mod-confirmed town, looking at his iso, you'd think that he'd be among the least-town slots by play.

And yet the conftown are, indeed, conftown--meaning that one of the slots who looks more town than the conftown by play...
...Is, in spite of looking more town than literal conftown by play...
...Not actually town, and in fact, is just scum who looks really damn town by play.

STD looked town by play, but was in the POE.
You look town by play, but are in the POE.
I am town by play, but am in the POE.
Pooky looks town by play, but is in the POE.
Milobird looks town by play, but is in the POE.

Everyone looks town by play--but one of the ones in the POE cannot be town and must in fact actually be scum.

And of the slots who look town by play but are in the POE, Milobird is the slot that I think has the highest chance of being scum.

Milobird · Post Post #5803 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:32 am

“Claimed rolecop”

We literally get evolved roles that role is trash.

I /also/ lurk as scum, and I have whatever other half of the posts of the hydra. “But notsci didn’t you recently break your meta” you vastly overestimate how much scum me would be concerned about this playerlist

Milobird · Post Post #5804 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:33 am

Ask Cakez has looked town by play for most of the game lmao.

Milobird · Post Post #5805 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:37 am

@pooks (who can’t be scum with me)

In your professional opinion do you think I’d have the same WIM this game as I did in bloodstained

Milobird · Post Post #5806 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:40 am

Mastina didn’t kill math she killed mala because mala likely goes after mastina for the shit push on me

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #5807 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:42 am

how about we kill koba and after the game ends you and mastin can continue your little 1v1 in the postgame thread.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #5808 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:42 am

mastina* sorry phone typo

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #5809 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:43 am

also mastina kills mathblade like 999 times out of 1000 lol

Milobird · Post Post #5810 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:01 am

I really don’t think it’s koba!

DkKoba · Post Post #5811 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:02 am

In post 5809, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:also mastina kills mathblade like 999 times out of 1000 lol

Who does koba kill?

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #5812 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:06 am

wifom

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #5813 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:10 am

kill a man who suspects you, you might make more enemies

keep them alive and they get worried and maybe change their minds.

plus you get to use it as part of your defense strategy.

Titus · Post Post #5814 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:38 am

In post 5791, MathBlade wrote:Why does this feel prisoners dilemma

Mastina wants Milo
Koba wants Pooky
Pooky wants Koba

No matter who I pick someone will call me bad :/

Sympathetic. Your biggest problem is confbias.

Please do two VCAs. One assuming the conftown are town only. Second, do another supposing mastina's town.

DkKoba · Post Post #5815 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:49 am

In post 5813, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:kill a man who suspects you, you might make more enemies

keep them alive and they get worried and maybe change their minds.

plus you get to use it as part of your defense strategy.

Cakez, famous hardcore tunneler who doesnt change his mind, is 100% going to change his mind here when hes been voting me all game. I dont kill that as scum lol

Yes very good theory pooky

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #5816 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:58 am

if you shoot him it makes you look bad and others might vote you

leave him alive and you can use him as a prop

DkKoba · Post Post #5817 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:04 am

no pooky thats unreasonable and only players like math and cakez would believe i would ever do that

DkKoba · Post Post #5818 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:05 am

people forget legacy reads - wisdom scumread you pooky - and no one except me is calling for your head here.

Your theory sucks because i know this myself that im one of very few who subscribe to NKA

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #5819 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:10 am

if you subscribe to NKA that just means you're more likely to not kill cakes rofl

DkKoba · Post Post #5820 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:15 am

No i kill people who will likely be voting me.

Even if they arent yet.
Honestly cakez u are bad at sorting in hoods if this is a pooky you townread

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #5821 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:09 am

why r u pretending you are 0 dimensional scum lol

DkKoba · Post Post #5822 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:25 am

I have certain common themes like always coaching partners into not making dumb mistakes

DkKoba · Post Post #5823 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:26 am

Wait i replaced in on d1 LOL theres no way i let gypyx play so bad the rest of d1 LOOL

Notice after i replace in theres no shift in behavior from flipped scum
This would be present with me replacing into a scum slot Hhaabahaha
finding new objective reasons why im town is epic

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #5824 (ISO) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:38 am

oh yes

because when koba replaces into a scum slot

the entire scum team immediately changes their behavior

so when you see koba replace into a slot

and a bunch of people start acting differently

it is a surefire tell that koba and their entire scum team have decided to openwolf

yup yup

very good self meta koba

:applause: