Newbie 2082 - Game Over

[Andante]

Andante's posts really aren't very good

Excuse me. I beg to differ. My posts are amazing

[Andante]

Ahhh I missed the opportunity, should've said "My posts really are very good '

[igorsprite]

@Andante you act like me

[Micc]

Votecount 3.04

Andante (2) -

Val89, implosion

Val89 (1) -

frogsfrogs

Not Voting (4) -

StrangeMatter, Andante, catboi, igorsprite

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 3 is in (expired on 2021-11-22 09:10:00).

[Andante]

@Andante you act like me

And you're town. Thus, I'm town. gg. I told yall the game is solved!!!

[igorsprite]

@Andante you act like me

And you're town. Thus, I'm town. gg. I told yall the game is solved!!!

but i'm not town >.>

[frogsfrogs]

lolol she means town faction, not specifically vt igor. do you want to take that one back?

[igorsprite]

lolol she means town faction, not specifically vt igor. do you want to take that one back?

it was a joke ( °-°)

she said that she was town because i was town too, then i said that i was not town to contradict her

[frogsfrogs]

ahhh I get the joke now then thanks.

[catboi]

VOTE: Andante

I am going to be like,

mega

sad if you are scum btw catboi. I know if you're town this is useless to hear but if you are scum i just want you to feel bad for how painfully you're outplaying me.

I'm more or less ready for day to end when others are. Ofc people don't have to sheep me or anything but I feel like this is just the lim that feels least likely to misfire, and it felt that way yesterday too.

Well, if you know my main, you know I'm

super

prideful in my scum game, but I actually feel like going this hard in a newbie game would be...unsporting? From an informed perspective I'd know I was likely jailed, I'd use igorsprite's fake claim as an opportunity to claim and out the jailkeeper, and I'd trust that I'd distanced well enough from my partner for them to be able to carry the rest of the way. That'd be exemplarly of teaching good fundamental tactics, I think. Blowing a gasket to win as scum against newbies would just be kind of sad.


As it is I'm left with a game that is only

mildly

less embarrassing, where I looked like a completely erratic fool with a foul mouth and confirmation biased myself into bad cases for the sake of having a "solve". But I can at least say I gave the takeaway that you should never idly accept your death as town, but always fight elimination as hard as possible.

[catboi]

VOTE: Andante

Fingers crossed.

[igorsprite]

VOTE: Andante

[frogsfrogs]

That's hammer.

[frogsfrogs]

Hoping this is RBer! Very well could be

[StrangeMatter]

WHAT.

[StrangeMatter]

I came back and a hammer just happened. What???

[Micc]

Votecount 3.05

Andante (4) -

Val89, implosion, catboi, igorsprite

Val89 (1) -

frogsfrogs

Not Voting (2) -

StrangeMatter, Andante

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to eliminate.

An elimination has been achieved.

[Micc]

Andante has been eliminated Day 3. She was a

Mafia Goon

.

It is now Night 3. The deadline for Night 3 is in (expired on 2021-11-21 01:25:00).

[Micc]

There were no deaths Night 3.

It is now Day 4.

Votecount 4.00

Not Voting (6) -

Val89, frogsfrogs, StrangeMatter, igorsprite, implosion, catboi

With 6 players alive it takes 4 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 4 is in (expired on 2021-11-28 01:25:00).

[implosion]

Alright. I don't think it's worth hiding at this point, scum no-killing was the mechanically correct play here (incidentally, it'd also be their correct play if we'd limmed the roleblocker) no matter who scum is. It's the only way to avoid a mechanically guaranteed loss.

The situation is now this: me, catboi and StrangeMatter are all mechanically cleared, which is great. If anyone wants me to run through the argument again to verify it I'm happy to. We now have to determine if the other scum is frogs, Val or igor, and we have two shots, which is pretty solid odds. I think it's going to take some extreme arguments for me to not want to use our first shot on frogs. Val's play just makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever from scum. This

is

the point at which we do need to start seriously looking at igor, simply because of how many people are clear, but there are quite a few things in igor's play that I also would find kind of shocking to have come from scum. Chiefly among these are his desire to claim early as a tracker where, from his point of view, he'd have a 2/3 shot of being CC-able (if igor is scum then we're in column C, meaning he'd know that tracker will be countered by a cop eventually in C1 and a mason eventually in C3, with C2 as the only setup where the claim works). I also think his elaborate series of claim changes on d2 is absolutely absurd play for scum, the kind of thing that is something along the lines of incredibly high risk for medium-low reward.

igor should claim his result first, technically (and no claiming one thing and then changing to something else at this point, please!)

[implosion]

Actually maybe it was a mechanically guaranteed win if we limmed the roleblocker first even if scum no-killed here, but not an important question.

(Side note, this is by

far

the most mechanically intricate newbie game i've played)

[catboi]

We still have a mechanically guaranteed win, technically (although Val is very obviously town at this point, the stuff with MafMen Day 1 is never S/S)

If we flip a VT, you jail igorsprite. igorsprite, if mafia, is exactly a goon and cannot block you. If there is a kill, he is cleared, if there's another no-kill, we have 5 alive with 3 clears and have a mechanical PoE. Doesn't work if you target a VT because roleblocker has priority.

[catboi]

MafMen's read on igorsprite looks so much like TMI but bleh, I have been suspicious of the way igor has been maneuvering for so long

[implosion]

If we flip a VT, you jail igorsprite. igorsprite, if mafia, is exactly a goon and cannot block you. If there is a kill, he is cleared, if there's another no-kill, we have 5 alive with 3 clears and have a mechanical PoE. Doesn't work if you target a VT because roleblocker has priority.

aaaah. clever.

[implosion]

Well, consequence of that is that we don't have a mechanically guaranteed win by limming igor today, so.

VOTE: frogsfrogs

I guess the rest of the game then is just triple checking that this is actually a guarantee.