Newbie 2084: Signs [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.02

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-11-28 00:30:00).

elimination

Meuh [1]:

MegAzumarill

ProHawk [1]:

Cape90

Spartan117 [1]:

Meuh

not voting [6]:

Mathenalin, AsuStuckey, ProHawk, Spartan117, marcistar, Greeting

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~ Mathenalin and Spartan117 have (expired on 2021-11-19 19:00:00) to confirm their role pm before i start looking for replacements

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[Greeting]

Let's say I do. Who is your choice and why?

prob meg, since I wanna solve them and I feel like it might be more benefical to do it earlier on.

Coincidentally, that is the only player in this game that I've known before from another game, and whom I kinda had a tough time with. Interesting.

Then again, there is one RVS at MegAzumarill right now. With me and you counted in, he will be put at E-2 immediately. Are you sure about that?

[Cape90]

That moment when Spartan is the only one who I played with and they might not even show up.

[Cape90]

Funny how you all are suggesting MegAzumarill when I was thinking the same thing. Just feels like they have been putting off doing anything useful this game at all and are using 36 as a sort of cover (even if this isn't the case, I still dislike this post).

The other person is Mueh because fundamentally 43 seems counter intuitive in, well, trying to solve the game, at least early on.
Though I sort of like 34 from Mueh as I find it at the very least a good post so they can stay.

VOTE: MegAzumarill

[Greeting]

I actually misread the vote tally. It’s MegAzumarill who is voting Meuh, not the opposite. Which makes this even safer as even with three votes they will still only be at E-2, not E-1.

Funny how you all are suggesting MegAzumarill when I was thinking the same thing. Just feels like they have been putting off doing anything useful this game at all and are using 36 as a sort of cover (even if this isn't the case, I still dislike this post).

The other person is Mueh because fundamentally 43 seems counter intuitive in, well, trying to solve the game, at least early on.
Though I sort of like 34 from Mueh as I find it at the very least a good post so they can stay.

VOTE: MegAzumarill

I’ve been townreading you, Cape90.

VOTE: MegAzumarill

[MegAzumarill]

It's a personal policy to not start scumhunting till we are certain there are actually scum playing

Nothing that has happened so far has really warranted anything yet though

[Datisi]

replacing Mathenalin and Spartan117.

[Datisi]

Prism replaces Spartan117.

[Prism]

Hello everyone. I'm an SE, or a semi-experienced player. I've been playing for 11 years, so I've been around the mafia block quite a few times. I'm eager to share all I've learned over the years with you, and my experience is here for you to draw upon. That said, I am far from perfect and I am most excited for the chance for some of you, as fresh young blood, to teach this old dog some new tricks. I have very little experience with any of you, which for me is very exciting! I hope we have a fun game we can walk away proud of at the end of the day.

Skimming there are some indepth discussions, which I am happy to see. I will catch up and vote a bit later after I get off of work.

[Meuh]

Funny how you all are suggesting MegAzumarill when I was thinking the same thing. Just feels like they have been putting off doing anything useful this game at all and are using 36 as a sort of cover (even if this isn't the case, I still dislike this post).

The other person is Mueh because fundamentally 43 seems counter intuitive in, well, trying to solve the game, at least early on.
Though I sort of like 34 from Mueh as I find it at the very least a good post so they can stay.

VOTE: MegAzumarill

What makes you think 43 is counterintuitive? While it doesn’t further too much regarding those who have spoken, getting people who haven’t to talk is productive

[Meuh]

It's a personal policy to not start scumhunting till we are certain there are actually scum playing

Nothing that has happened so far has really warranted anything yet though

Well that’s the thing, us discussing is how we create things we can then discuss and read each other off of. I don’t think we should start wagons until all have spoken, but there’s no reason not to throw in some smaller scale reads and create the basic playing field we need to obtain to become productive as a town

[Meuh]

UNVOTE:

Spartan/Prism

since the slot’s said something now

[Datisi]

StrangeMatter replaces Mathenalin.

[StrangeMatter]

Bweh.

Hey everyone.

[MegAzumarill]

It's a personal policy to not start scumhunting till we are certain there are actually scum playing

Nothing that has happened so far has really warranted anything yet though

Well that’s the thing, us discussing is how we create things we can then discuss and read each other off of. I don’t think we should start wagons until all have spoken, but there’s no reason not to throw in some smaller scale reads and create the basic playing field we need to obtain to become productive as a town

I agree it's probably objectively bad for town but as a player I typically do 1 of 2 things.

1 Form reads slowly but have confidence in them
2 Jump on someone that I think is scummy early and death tunnel them forever (ask Greeting)

More interestingly I would like to know why Greeting/Cape think my behavior is AI.

[Meuh]

It's a personal policy to not start scumhunting till we are certain there are actually scum playing

Nothing that has happened so far has really warranted anything yet though

Well that’s the thing, us discussing is how we create things we can then discuss and read each other off of. I don’t think we should start wagons until all have spoken, but there’s no reason not to throw in some smaller scale reads and create the basic playing field we need to obtain to become productive as a town

I agree it's probably objectively bad for town but as a player I typically do 1 of 2 things.

1 Form reads slowly but have confidence in them
2 Jump on someone that I think is scummy early and death tunnel them forever (ask Greeting)

More interestingly I would like to know why Greeting/Cape think my behavior is AI.

Agreed on that last line, while I don’t approach the game like you do, your posts do read to me more based on a personal belief about how the game should be played and less a mafia member trying to slow the town down

On that note I’d like to know why Marci threw your name out there in the first place?

[Meuh]

The way Greeting has approached the whole Meg thing rubs me the wrong way tbh, don’t like it

[StrangeMatter]

The invitation just feels like fake confidence and like I said, they never said they scumread you, so it came out of nowhere. I can easily see scum make that post in an attempt to posture as a confident townie willing to die, yknow?

mmmhmm yeah ic
why no vote pressure if u see that as scummy..?

I'd rather pressure someone who hasn't said a word yet, infighting amongst the active players would just reward not being present and allow potential scum to hide out in inactivity, so my vote stays where it is

I do like the idea of this post, I prefer pressuring people who are active to get a good grasp on their slot, and get a good read going.

[StrangeMatter]

The invitation just feels like fake confidence and like I said, they never said they scumread you, so it came out of nowhere. I can easily see scum make that post in an attempt to posture as a confident townie willing to die, yknow?

mmmhmm yeah ic
why no vote pressure if u see that as scummy..?

I'd rather pressure someone who hasn't said a word yet, infighting amongst the active players would just reward not being present and allow potential scum to hide out in inactivity, so my vote stays where it is

I do like the idea of this post being that focus should be brought to an inactive slot, but I prefer pressuring people who are active to get a good grasp on their slot, and get a good read going.

EBWOP (I hate my grammar sometimes)

[Meuh]

(I'm aware Marci voiced why she voted Meg already, but I'd just like elaboration basically)

Okay, so Greeting's 51 and 54 are both suspicious to me. Greeting never actually voices suspicion for Meg in... any of these posts. The justification seems to be just to get a wagon down and because he had a tough time with Meg in a past game? The focus is put on the amount of votes that would be on Meg if a wagon was to initiate instead of actually saying much regarding Meg as a player or why he even wants to vote for him, then seems to use Cape voting for Meg as a way to segue into also jumping on it?
The way Greeting collaborates with Marci and Cape on this whole thing just gives off vibes of scum trying to be buddies with other players by focusing on a common target, don't like it.
The focus on the creation of/the logistics of a wagon just seems like opportunistic scum. Marci made a joke, Greeting replied to it seriously, and then with Marci's answer that mentions Meg, he just decided to start a push. Scum want to get the target on another player ASAP so it's not on them, Greeting could very much be doing that here.
Those messages feel unnatural, opportunistic and focused on the wrong things and because of this I'll go ahead and VOTE:

Greeting

. Everyone's spoken, so I'll put my vote where my mind is at

adding VOTE: greeting for the vote counter ~D

[MegAzumarill]

I would also reiterate I want to hear Greeting's reasons for suspecting me so far. I think it's an important point

[MegAzumarill]

The invitation just feels like fake confidence and like I said, they never said they scumread you, so it came out of nowhere. I can easily see scum make that post in an attempt to posture as a confident townie willing to die, yknow?

mmmhmm yeah ic
why no vote pressure if u see that as scummy..?

I'd rather pressure someone who hasn't said a word yet, infighting amongst the active players would just reward not being present and allow potential scum to hide out in inactivity, so my vote stays where it is

I do like the idea of this post being that focus should be brought to an inactive slot, but I prefer pressuring people who are active to get a good grasp on their slot, and get a good read going.

EBWOP (I hate my grammar sometimes)

Generally I think that pressuring active players favors town and inactive players should really be pressured if the active players are acting town. Essentially sort the easiest to read players and poe the rest

[Meuh]

The invitation just feels like fake confidence and like I said, they never said they scumread you, so it came out of nowhere. I can easily see scum make that post in an attempt to posture as a confident townie willing to die, yknow?

mmmhmm yeah ic
why no vote pressure if u see that as scummy..?

I'd rather pressure someone who hasn't said a word yet, infighting amongst the active players would just reward not being present and allow potential scum to hide out in inactivity, so my vote stays where it is

I do like the idea of this post being that focus should be brought to an inactive slot, but I prefer pressuring people who are active to get a good grasp on their slot, and get a good read going.

EBWOP (I hate my grammar sometimes)

Generally I think that pressuring active players favors town and inactive players should really be pressured if the active players are acting town. Essentially sort the easiest to read players and poe the rest

That's fair, I think sometimes (including this game) I subconsciously approach things more as "find the scum!" than "get a good grasp on each player's alignment!" which can lead to me just generally holding sentiments that kinda lean that way, that's something I've noticed and I'm trying to get better with.
I tend to view votes (when not actively working to elim someone) more as tools to pressure scum so they somehow blunder or act more suspiciously than as something that can also lead to building more accurate reads on someone because of this, so seeing them as a way to narrow POE is not something that crosses my mind all that much, if any of this makes sense?

[MegAzumarill]

Yeah, it's basically the difference between townhunting and scumhunting, both are perfectably reasonable approaches to the game, and everyone does a little of both

[StrangeMatter]

Oh and I forgot to do this again.

VOTE: marcistar

Time to start with people I absolutely don't think I know.