Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

[Ydrasse]

like i really don’t think i’m ‘finessing’ anyone with my play this game being listless and then when it’s not listless it’s just... *waves hand at the mess it is*

[petapan]

I'm also very wary of skitter's scum ability and deliberately spewing a lategame carry is a LOT more valuable than pocketing someone like ydrasse who is just a completely reasonable nightkill if town.

there are no nightkills

[petapan]

which is why i'm still here


but the point in particular is that you could claim the skitter interactions might be trying to distance from ydrasse

but that doesn't really fit with how she was treated by the other flipped scum, at all

and if ydrasse is scum she has actively done almost

nothing

to further her endgame potential and i don't think you can write it off as laziness. she's said stuff that i don't believe comes from an informed perspective, because it was too subtle for most people to notice and wouldn't have been likely to be seen positively.

but i don't particularly care to impress that upon you at this point in time

i've put in the work and made my judgment, if you want to argue otherwise make a case but i have no need for idly trying to chip away at the read

[petapan]

see e.g. popcorn where (as vulture) she tried to distance herself from enchant/lukewarm to set herself up to endgame: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=87343

very standard stuff

here she didn't really claim any pelts and was just kind of weak toward skitter

and the whole dynamic between her and skitter was off, it was atypical or scum distancing. most scum play it very vanilla, you push me, i push you back type stuff, e.g. the skitter/dunn interactions, which i eventually realized weren't clearing. here ydrasse basically doesn't punch back at skitter at all. were it a different player doing it i wouldn't consider that clearing but i don't think they'd be likely to fabricate that particular interaction

[petapan]

lol there was an unwnd post quoted in ydrasse's iso that kinda looks funnily tmi-ish

[petapan]

i guess it's time to write

the skidderpost

skitter is very obviously a skilled scum player, although she's had a rough go of it as scum this year outside of Deja Vu. (one of those is my fault (sorry skitter)). but we can look into her past games to see if she has tendencies toward her teammates and preferences on how to play. i want to look at stuff that is relatively recent, because i don't think old wallposty semi-lurky skitter is that relevant to decoding 2021-skitter, but also want something where she had something of a gameplan going, no unusual setups where bussing was strongly discouraged if not outright forbidden (e.g. Silent Star, Deja Vu). Deja Vu didn't even have daytalk so it's not like there was a ton of gameplanning, anyway.

so let's find something more conventional

Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game

teammates in this one: tris/saudade, xtoxm

choice quotes from the scum PT:

Spoiler:

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

Hey you two are starting to become viable lynch options btw

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

No, it's more like he's running out of people to sr and you're in his poe

I dont think he's been gunning for you

As it is his poe is like exactly tris, you, ari

Would kinda prefer if you lot didnt get lynched today if possible

If you think it's inevitable i guess lmk ?

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

my goal is to be the loudest voice around like day3 and to avoid bussing if i can do so, while makign sure i look good

if i had to pick between {bussing and looking good} or {keeping you lot alive but looking bad if you flip the next day} i think i'd rather the former because i can carry in that situation but would be under suspicion i'd rather avoid in the latter

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

like i'm assuming that out of us i'd need to carry/try to endgame so i kinda want to set myself up for that as best i can

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

if i had to pick between {bussing and looking good} or {keeping you lot alive but looking bad if you flip the next day} i think i'd rather the former because i can carry in that situation but would be under suspicion i'd rather avoid in the latter

you ok with bussing in this situation?
not gratuitous, but if i think i can read it?

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

if you could just like ~not get lynched today~ that would be a big help, but like no stress

happy you're enjoying tm!

i think rc is willing to give a pass for today so i don't think you end up today's lynch

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

thanks, still kinda hate it in general, oddly enjoying it this game

just think it's kinda funny that i'm the current dc, have been dealing with insane paranoia for a year, and in the most competitive site event i have the best town players on site rn p much all pocketed and wanting to work with me and trying to get me to listen / support their reads etc

and all i really need to do rn is let rc 'talk' me into lynching ari for him or whatever

from my pov the rest of the day needs like maintenance but the hard work is p much done and i can coast a bit

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

Hey, @xtoxm

Dont do anything rash yet, but ari is at l-1 rn

How suicidal would it be for you to lolhammer?

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

ya

i just work best as scum when i understand the gamestate and can control it into desirable outcomes
like as scum i can usually predict how the next two-three dayphases will play out at the very least in broad terms, barring something drastic like a hard guilty

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

Ya i dont think so at this point.

My energy for this has kinda evaporated upon seeing another 25 pages sprung up over night and i need the day to end soonish, i think

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

I'll think about this. The group hood thing changes a lot. I dont hate the gambit tying yourself to me, since i prefer doing something rather nothing , but it is high risk. Skitter has to solo endgame if it goes wrong.

fwiw i would much much much rather try to win this in 7way than 3way

my energy/motivation tends to flag as the game goes on as scum, especially if it's all on me

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

gamestates are my thing as scum

once i get a feel for the game i can usually tell how things are going to play out a day or two in advance and can predict how people will react to certain things

and what i can get away
and how town will think about x

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

and just thinking that this game is going to last several more weeks at least i find particularly demoralizing

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

like i already have 525 freaking posts and thinking of trying to maintain that is exhausting me

i'm well out of my established scumgame but i need to ~keep producing~ to be townread and it's demotivating

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

yes

demotivated/not high energy is historically a scumtell for me

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

hm
i dont think about it in terms of length/end point

i always do because i need to be fake and it's demotivating
and i am usually endgame which means that i'm there Until The Game Finally Ends
usually in like 3way

like i very rarely have energy for lylo

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

Saudade when i get online later rc is going to be pressuring me to vote u

How do u want me to handle this ... ahould i distance? Insist on a tr ?

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

I'm a little nervous that if i join math will decide it's a good idea too ?
And then you'll be lynched quite possibly, which i dont want to

Trajectory-wise i think i need to agree with rc and end up on you

I kinda wish shos or rc had just happened already

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

And yeah i'm going to need to commit to u i think
I dont even know

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

siding with rc over math might be a suboptimal move long-term
but i can wrangle math scumreading me in this gamestate a lot easier than i can against rc

like math is just being kinda silly and i can shut that down forever
if rc really gets going and was on the right track i would probably be unable to answer adequately and would freeze, which would in turn make him scumread me more and make it more obvious

like he was on target wrt me/sauade but i just kinda side-stepped it because i think addressing it would make things worse rather than better

also i don't thinks audade gets lynched rn, and i think math won't push saudade if i want it so

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

I dont know how to turn this off of saudade

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

idk how hard to go rn ....

i feel like if i announce: saudade is the best wagon it's going to happen
i feel like if i try to backoff i don't have anyone else to go on and if you flip first it's going to come back to bite me

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

Yeah i really dont want you to be lynched tho

But if it's inevitable i think i should go hard for the cred tomorrow ?
Like i dont want to make it more inevitable than it is if it really isnt

Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

yeah i'm trying to move there a bit but i think it's a little too late
bleh
i'm not super great at figuring out the line between distancing and bussing sometimes

well hey at least you're at of this shitshow of a game, right?

key takeaways:

- in this game she had to deal with two teammates who were both lurkerish and under heavy suspicion early. she urges them to not get themselves yeeted and displays a preference against bussing, but a willingness to do so as a last resort

- this is reflected in the game thread in this way: she defends tris against attacks early, says xtoxm's posts are bad and continually foses him but avoids actually voting him or even pushing him.

- asks her teammate if they'd be willing to surprise hammer on day 1

- tries to play by understanding the gamestate and controlling it, kind of a go with the flow mentality, take what town gives her, predict the opinions people will have

- although she's gotten good at, scum is still not skitter's preferred alignment. she prefers to keep her team with her rather than solo carry as she tends to lose energy in late game. "demotivated/not high energy is historically a scumtell for me" (i was aware of this)

([bane voice]

she merely adopted the dark, i was born in it

)

the sentiment about not wanting to solo carry is a consistent one she says in multiple games, she said the same in Deja Vu when i more or less predicted everything that would happen after night 1, i said she would always win in f4 but she preferred not to go there if possible

- feels like she gets stuck on Saudade and can't logically justify moving off him, is afraid the associatives will come back to bite her if she backs off him and he flips first, believes it's "inevitable" and so prefers to stay on for the credit

- after Saudade gets flipped, there's a lot of soft defending of Xtoxm, the things good scum players do, say his posts are bad but make excuses for him, lean on mechanics as a reason to clear him. does wagon him at one point but pulls off and finds an excuse to vote elsewhere while town talks themselves out of voting him

- tries to avoid answering things if someone is on the right track (this was similar to how she handled Morning Tweet in Deja Vu)



so this helps us build a general profile, will tend to distance from teammates but general preference is anti-bus, doesn't like having to solo carry, busses when she feels it's inevitable/can't justify not doing it. pretty standard play, really, not that there's anything wrong with that, standard scum play is good enough to win most games if you can post well.

i know i said this was going to be one post but i realize it's a bit long so i'll do a game by game breakdown in separate posts

[petapan]

you can see some similar patterns here, in that she'd call out dunn/saber here when they posted but not really push on them all that hard as compared to other targets

[petapan]

let's look through other games now to see if we can find some behavior patterns:

Micro 930: Neon Mafia

teammate: nomnomnom

choice quotes from the scum pt:

Spoiler:

Subject: Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Mafia PT)

ok skimming
i think i f i were town here i'd probably be scumreading you
how do you want me to read you in thread ?

Subject: Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Mafia PT)

it looks like it's dying down tho
i don't want to double down and spark it up again

Subject: Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Mafia PT)

gah you're actually like p scummy in your argument with luca and since it encompasses so much of what i missed i can't just pretend i didn't see it

idk how to give you a fake townread there, if i were town i'd be calling you out

Subject: Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Mafia PT)

yeah i wasn't sure how hard to go but i figured i would make room to start a dialogue and then we can go at it when i have more time

Subject: Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Mafia PT)

exactly
like i'm telegraphing where as of right now i think i'm going to end up but

and depending on how other people respond we'll see how hard i end up going down on scum!you
maybe mena will talk me into townreading you, who knows

but basically i'm trying to react as i would as town beacuse it makes things look more authentic

Subject: Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Mafia PT)

If I flip scum Ali is definitely confirmed town
I like this scumtheater we're doing right now, the distance is on

Subject: Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Mafia PT)

bleh i think i've reescalated instead of unescalated
idk if i should vote you back

Subject: Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Mafia PT)

gah fuck me i'm trying not to bus you but i don't know how to react to what you're saying rn lol

you mean nk luca, right?

Subject: Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Mafia PT)

sorry it's like the logical place for me to go at this point :/

Subject: Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Mafia PT)

k good
i just don't know where else to go rn, this is the natural trajectory for me rn

Subject: Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Mafia PT)

what the hell lol, that's great

i nominally still have a job so i'll be around later
ya think i ought to stay tunneled or back off

Subject: Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Mafia PT)

falfjaiofda


i think i botched how i interacted with you in like multiple ways
you're probably going down today
i think I'm fine till at least day3 in that case, especially since i can ride the bus, bop, nobody expects me to die, but now i need to carry

Subject: Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Mafia PT)

seriously what are the odds lol

ok i think I'm sticking to my guns on you
because you're def going down in the nearish future

i look good on bop
quag is a guaranteed mislynch after you flip

Ali, luca are nks

and then there's a bunch of lynchbait
i probably win this ?

Subject: Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Mafia PT)

Oh well
Unlucky
But at least I learned plenty of things from this game that should become useful soon so not all's lost.
Last prayer that ali is actually gambitting and an actual protective claims here

I'm sorry this didn't go down better :/
i kinda backed myself into a corner and didn't have a good way to off-ramp so to speak

i wouldn't be surprised if Ali is lying or telling the truth so to speak, either way

key takeaways:

- skitter tried to distance from her teammate because she felt it was the most realistic view for her to have. ultimately this trapped her into bussing

- this wasn't a planned thing, it was a consequence of her teammate catching heat in the main thread and her reacting to it

- even so, she expressed regret and a desire to avoid flipping her teammate day 1, but was too nervous to back down

- the way their interactions ingame play out is like this:

skitter expresses disagreement with an early scumread nom pushes, calls it "bad"

says nom isnt out of scumrange when menalque expresses that nom's push might be too bad for him to make as scum

goes against nom in his arguments, accuses him of things like AtE, misrep, disagrees with the premises of his argument

hedges the read slightly by using meta as a crutch

choice quote from the game thread:

Subject: Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Game over!)

ok i don't think a post-by-post is going to happen and i want to get caught up, so just key thoughts as i read through.

- while i think nom's part of the argument was p bad,

i think that at least some of the things luca is scumreading her for is nai

; the 1v1 i can see her doing as either alignment, and unfortunately some of the ate too
the stuff she brought up about me was weird tho

this is positioning herself to distance with a "nuanced" sort of read, sides against nom but tempers it by saying some of the points against him are NAI

- puts nom 1 slot above the bottom in her reads list (lol, lmao)

- continues to call out his posts

- preflip associates him with a townie

- tries to subtly make an excuse to not flip nom that day:

Subject: Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Game over!)

I feel Nom/Quags could be S/S, but I also feel Nom could be white-knighting.

I’d feel happier with a Nom lynch today.

i guess i'm not sure why scum!nom decides to just make a thing about not voting the popular town!quag mislynch rn
in the current gamestate it's fairly popular and people are starting to want eod so i don't think it would be questioned that much
whereas by taking this route she's making a big stink that is getting pushback
and i don't know why she picks the harder route as scum here

- nom swings back and accuses skitter of being manipulative

- doesn't actually throw a vote on nom until significantly later in the day when she finds there's no good way to deescalate

- keeps arguing with nom, again and again, constant taking swipes at each other

- when the main driver of the nom wagon unvotes she tries to de-escalate, but gets stuck there when there's no alternate wagon and the player nom was pushing on claims bodyguard


so there's a willingness to bus day 1, but a reluctance at the same time. the bus happened because skitter's partner came under fire early and she felt obligated to join the wagon to save face, she wasn't the initiator of it

[petapan]

i can see a picture starting to come together

[petapan]

moving on. here's a game that i believe is very instructive.

Mini 2136 | City That Never Sleeps

teammate: The Limit Does Not Exist (Something_Smart + lilith2013)

Notably, this was a game where skitter was struggling, and was trying to position her teammate to go deep, rather than having her carry.

choice quotes from the scum pt:

Spoiler:

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

yeah that's what i was thinking too, so that might be in the cards as well

i'm good at the whole bussing thing, but some people (i.e. nom in particular) would be expecting it, i think

also i'd much much much rather have a 5way lylo than a 3way lylo

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

bleh i think i'm having an offgame
i literally look at this game and have no thoughts on anything anybody has posted

i feel like i'm forcing myself to post and generate content and i know it sounds kinda off

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

i'm like reading posts and getting legit nothing out of them

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

i think the natural conclusion of my posts would be to vote gl but i don't want to pick a fight with him just yet

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

meh i think i'm just going to leave it as-is and when someone informs me i'm being off and that i ought to be voting complain that i can't get into the game and ask them to real-time with me to help or something

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

yeah
i was thinking that if i voted there eve probably would actually hammer
but i'm pretty sure just leads to me getting pushed tomorrow so i didn't

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

and hey, if i really do have an offgame, you lot are in a great position to bus me if necessary

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

i think i might try to start to pick a fight with you
because i think that one of us *is* going to get lynched if we don't find the traffic analyst, and i think it would be better to start laying in those seeds of not svs now

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

I think i kinda bungled this and i'm kinda expecting to get lynched at some point
I think what i ought to prioritize is leaving a bunch of messy associatives behind for people to dig through after the fact

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

fair enough
was trying to de-escalate at the end tho

fair warning that this might end up with me lynched tho
but you guys would basically be in the clear if that happens and i think you could carry

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

Actually i think we're good
If you guys drop it in a huff and say that i'm being unreasonable but that this isnt going anywhere and throw ur vote on eve or allo i think whichever one you pick will start feeling inevitable and that people like nom will just start calling for everyone to vote there just to end the day

(I think allo would be slightly better, eve is going yo be perpetual lynchbait)

Also kinda happy that i've dropped nom's interest in the game as a whole by picking inane fights and relitigating them ad nauseum at length, i think it's making the thread harder to read thru and that people like gl and acryo are also starting to feel this way and are instead pushing for 'easy' options instead of reading/responding yo all the walls we're generating

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

if we could get her lynched today, that would be great
(sorry nom!)

i feel like once i get ~into~ the townpool, i tend to stay there through inertia
getting there is the tricky part

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

yeah i didn't want to do this (sorry nom!)
but she started off on a bad foot, continued on bad footing, and she knows she's going to lose so uh i think this ends in her getting lynched at the end of the day

(i don't usually pick 1v1's as scum ...)

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

gl hard townbinning us is pretty great
and watching titus and auro bicker over how i am/am not obvtown is pretty funny too

also on the off chance i flip and this becomes relevant ... i've been cultivating the me/rex associatives for a while now

also i guess we don't need to try to lynch / remove the 'strong' players if they're townreading us that strongly

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

i can locktown titus and just try to make us look super partner-y but i'm not sure if that will be counter-productive to tyring to lynch her

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

i kinda think i'll have a hard time coming up with reasons to townread titus because ngl the way she's interacting with gl rn is kinda scummy

like right now if i obstinatnely tr her for meh reasons we'll look partnered
but afterwards i think it'll look wk'y

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

feel free to point out that i'm just hard-defending rex, that i'm treating Titus with kid-gloves and not really pushing her, just trying to be more skeptical at a distance, and that I'm trying to lay on the wifom

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

i'm going to see if i can get like eve lynched
but if, say, gl starts turning on me (i.e. he's inclined to vote me over Titus), just bus me hard

or if it looks like i'm inevitably going to get lynched

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

also maybe tone down the scum!me -> town!titus thing i think; you need to be able to push her upon my scumflip

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

ok, i think that if gl wants me lynched i probably get lynched today, so i would imagine that you lot probably just want to go hard on it

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

man i hope you lot can do something good with the oodles of wifom i'm leaving behidn

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mafia Hideout

basically you win lylos by knowing exactly who's likely to vote for who and knowing where that mislynch vote is , and making sure it's more likely to happen than a townie placing a vote on you

titus will vote gl because she's been tunneled on him for three dayphases, he isn't dead yet, and nothing has happened throughout that whole time to make her think she's wrong.

we don't want to mess that dynamic up (i.e. by titus or gl getting lynched or dying) because we don't know how the survivor person will react once the other person is dead. titus will be forced to rethink the game if gl is dead and that may involve rethinking her townread on me. gl will push me upon a titus townflip

if they're both alive titus will ultimately vote gl in lylo so that's what we want to try to facilitate

key takeaways:

- again reiterates, would much rather have a 5 way than a 3 way

- cautious with who she votes/pushes for fear of reprisal

- says she's struggling to come up with things to say, offers to be bussed if she has an off game

- decides to pick a fight with TLDNE in order to distance. this manifests itself in-thread in a pretty typical way:

accuses Limit of strawmanning people

says they're shading a group of people you'd expect to be town based on setup mechanics

says they're following a double standard by jumping to conclusions when they're accusing someone else of doing so

says they're being disingenuous "and ate-y"

limit responds to this with classic aggression, dumps on her repeatedly with quote walls, really tries to bury skitter, the whole nine yards. skitter never actually votes limit but, limit drops a vote on skitter, only to back down when the town decides it does not want to kill skitter, does so by lilith saying she let the anger get the best of her

- says she's trying to build associatives between her and sausasaurusrex/titus in the event she does flip, again this is in a pretty basic fashion, she hard defends rex/titus and continually makes excuses for them

(probably should have read this game before i let cakez die)

- says to bus her hard if it looks like things are starting to turn against her

- starts planning and setting up for lylo in advance looking for who will vote who


so, again, this is the basic sort of expected play from scum who think they might go down and want to protect their partner. they pull back on the read town shows no interest in killing skitter and most people rule them out as being SvS, limit continually leaves themselves open to skitter being scum, expresses skepticism of her, but doesn't actually vote her. skitter questions limit back and expresses uncertainty on them, but waffles back and forth on the read and ends up back at town for a while, finally hedges on their alignment in ELO and expresses skepticism again

[petapan]

so, hypothetically, there's a world where skitter, feeling the heat in the Pink Room, starts to feel her enthusiasm for the game dropping and tells her teammate to bus her so they can endgame. it's not an implausible narrative at all. so, gammagooey's immediate case on skitter isn't really as clearing as i thought.

but is that the most likely scenario? i'm still not sure about that. there are other factors that have to be considered.

[Taly]

See?

Peta

realizes that I have a fucking third eye and sees shit none of you commoners can

[Taly]

Wow I actually am a pretty aggressive player

[Taly]

I'm honestly posting for comical relief purposes at this point.

[petapan]

now, clearly, out of everyone alive, i would quite obviously be the best suited to endgame as last scum! however, there's a couple good reasons why it's not me:

- i could easily have avoided dunnstral being in the duel if i wanted to yet got him put there anyway with the last second hop; at any rate my progression on him was too messy for me to be scum, if i was aware of his alignment i'd start pushing against him sooner because he'd have no endgame potential

- skitter was very obviously struggling to come up with arguments against me when she had nominated me, this is because she knows i'm town and couldn't find real reasons to attack me. as her teammate i'd be more cognizant of giving her something to work with so we could actually have a strong 1v1, and i think she'd probably have an easier time finding something

real

to respond to me with

- saber/HQ blew it by spewing me town, scum don't get

that

mad at being bussed

[petapan]

anyway musical interlude time!

[petapan]

there's a couple older games i want to dig into when i get the chance, for some supporting data, but i think we have enough of a portrait to interpret skitter's actions in this game

[Taly]

*hisses and claws at peta again*

[Ydrasse]

[petapan]

Subject: Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia - Mafia PT

Ya

Hmm kinda wondering if i should go for a hard defense, t'would be ant-meta

Dunn is eventually gonna get flipped now

looool

on the one hand, a complicating factor

on the other hand, this was well after this game started and shortly before she got replaced in this one

[petapan]

Subject: Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia - Mafia PT

:doffs jester hat:

gonna push you a bit and loudly complain i think you're scum but when your wagon fails to materialize i'm gonna hop onto emmi while complaining about how you lot are getting away with it

still trying to stay away from the D1 bus though

[petapan]

Subject: Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

i've got dnd momentarily but i'll be around some more this afternoon

gonna start by voting here:
VOTE: mm/bears

the other person i'd want to vote is emmi

~ skitter

Subject: Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

Vote Count 1-9

Samus, return to the correct route immediately.

Dunnstral (2): E. M. M. I., Milk & Mocha

Milk & Mocha

(2):

Dunnstral

,

Venus Fly Trap

Wisdom (2): ssbm_Kyouko, MUSHSHAGANA
ssbm_Kyouko (1): Wisdom
Venus Fly Trap (1): Towelie
Gamma Emerald (1); StrangeMatter
MUSHSHAGANA (1): Critter
E. M. M. I. (1): Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (2): Something_Smart, Lady Lambdadelta

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate a flavor.

Current Deadline: (expired on 2021-11-02 20:02:57)

show this vote count to prism to make her die instantly

[petapan]

Subject: Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

VOTE: EMMI
I wanna try this for a bit.

i think you should have stayed on bears but this is a decent alternative

classic tmi scumbuddy read. useful to note.

[petapan]

rereading and losing my mind now

[Taly]

What are you thinking or concluding?