Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Datisi]

boop

[Sleepless Assassin]

imagine asking a hydra to actually sync up their reads

1419

That was my thought too but I really hope he meant something else.

Why do you hope I meant something else (hint: I did not)?

1443
Two people having the exact same reads isn't likely unless the reads are fake. You accused me of having fake reads so I figured you'd understand this.

[Bingle]

Do you think you a scum hydra would fake dissonance in thread to appear more townie?

Only the good ones. Weaponized hydra dissonance is a powerful tool in the hands of a decent scum player.

[VP Baltar]

ok ok ok baltar now that you are here i need your professional opinion on something

so i saw this post:

To answer Penguin’s question earlier, I do have a read on [datisi] now: town. You’re absolutely tunneling me but I think it comes more from not knowing how I play vs actively taking my questions in bad faith.

this post struck me as kinda townie. maybe i'm wrong on that beign townie bc trying to placate your pushers is a thing sometimes but this tone and timing just seemed *too* placate-y it circled around into town

however, this post:

But shouldn’t that be a d2+ thing? This logic seems weird.

seemed to be hedgy shady bullshit and i don't like it

discuss

I get what you're saying on the placating. I've been trying to determine how I feel about his "well I'm probably the yeet today, oh well" posting. I've been internally debating whether DArby is cunning enough to fake that as scum.

[Bingle]

Two people having the exact same reads isn't likely unless the reads are fake. You accused me of having fake reads so I figured you'd understand this.

True enough, although I've seen (been in) hydra's where the dynamic is that one of the players takes lead and the other is functionally a sanity check, which leads to a single reads list and a primary member of the hydra.

[VP Baltar]

imagine asking a hydra to actually sync up their reads

1419

That was my thought too but I really hope he meant something else.

Why do you hope I meant something else (hint: I did not)?

1443
Two people having the exact same reads isn't likely unless the reads are fake. You accused me of having fake reads so I figured you'd understand this.

As a hydra, you can have disputes internally, but post with agreed upon reads.

The reason it is scum-helpful is because then in the future if anyone questions them over a read, they can just point to the other hydra head and say "well I didn't agree with that".

[Datisi]

baltar

do you think i should be townreading you by now

[VP Baltar]

Do you think you a scum hydra would fake dissonance in thread to appear more townie?

Only the good ones. Weaponized hydra dissonance is a powerful tool in the hands of a decent scum player.

Stop reading my mind OK BINGLE

[Bingle]

DArby is cunning enough to fake that as scum.

I think I've seen Darby in a game recently (although I don't remember which one) and thinking his play was good. I also don't remember what alignment he was. But gth I wouldn't put it past him. I'll update this after I'm caught up and can look to figure out which game that was.

[VP Baltar]

baltar

do you think i should be townreading you by now

Probably. I couldn't be anymore town.

[Fun and Games]

it feels like the purpose of darby's posting is to avoid death and not to actually find bad guys

also the reason skitter/me have different reads on VP baltar is because I'm religiously allergic to reading wall-posts and she loves complete sentences.

[Bingle]

Stop reading my mind OK BINGLE

[VP Baltar]

I'm religiously allergic to reading wall-posts

I made like two wall posts and that was just to catch up after I was gone about 36 hours.

Just admit you hate me.

p.edit -- actually going to bump this loudly on my sound system now.

[Bingle]

she loves complete sentences

This can't be true. I post almost exclusively in complete sentences and she always tunnels me.

[Fun and Games]

why would I hate you

if anything I kinda find you a bit scummy because you haven't pissed me off yet lol

[Fun and Games]

she loves complete sentences

This can't be true. I post almost exclusively in complete sentences and she always tunnels me.

Sounds like a you problem

[Datisi]

bingle, have you gone over my ico case yet and what is your opinion on that slot at this point in time

[Sleepless Assassin]

ok ok ok baltar now that you are here i need your professional opinion on something

so i saw this post:

To answer Penguin’s question earlier, I do have a read on [datisi] now: town. You’re absolutely tunneling me but I think it comes more from not knowing how I play vs actively taking my questions in bad faith.

this post struck me as kinda townie. maybe i'm wrong on that beign townie bc trying to placate your pushers is a thing sometimes but this tone and timing just seemed *too* placate-y it circled around into town

however, this post:

But shouldn’t that be a d2+ thing? This logic seems weird.

seemed to be hedgy shady bullshit and i don't like it

discuss

I get what you're saying on the placating. I've been trying to determine how I feel about his "well I'm probably the yeet today, oh well" posting. I've been internally debating whether DArby is cunning enough to fake that as scum.

1453
Why's it have to be fake if he's scum?

True enough, although I've seen (been in) hydra's where the dynamic is that one of the players takes lead and the other is functionally a sanity check, which leads to a single reads list and a primary member of the hydra.

1454

True I could see that. I thought VP wanted them to have the same reads though.

As a hydra, you can have disputes internally, but post with agreed upon reads.

The reason it is scum-helpful is because then in the future if anyone questions them over a read, they can just point to the other hydra head and say "well I didn't agree with that".

But if one fakes a read to match the other, especially if they were asked to do so, couldn't they still do this just without the transparency because we didn't see where they disagreed? Oh, 1455

[Bingle]

Its the way he worded it, he seems annoyed at ico ignoring him
~ skitter

:/

How is this towny recall? Not a big fan of this read from you. It seems poorly defined and elusive, like you're trying to justify a townread as opposed to actually thinking SA is towny.

baltar/sleepless/iconeum scumteam

where do i pick up my paragon scummy

Title fairy thread, I'm p sure. I think mastina handles that.

+ enchant is doing even less recently

Yeah, that's a stale read that probably deserves to be reconsidered. Stop giving me things to do and solve the game already dammit.

dats you look more and more aligned with ico/darby >.>

~ skitter

:/

Ugh. Are those really Pookys reads? You're supposed to be obvtown

What's your issue with them? With the obvious exception of VP being below Pengy I see nothing egregious there.

there is a joke here about mommy and daddy picking favorites between their children but i'm not quite witty enough to make it

I call pooky in the divorce. No offense skitter, but he brings me more interesting setups to review.

[Sleepless Assassin]

What's your issue with them? With the obvious exception of VP being below Pengy I see nothing egregious there.

1468

It feels like rehashing general consensus.

[Sleepless Assassin]

The cum reads specifically. They are the three players who got the biggest wagons

[Sleepless Assassin]

Scum*

[Datisi]

dats you look more and more aligned with ico/darby >.>

~ skitter

:/

i think i am Interested in knowing what that post called for a :/

[Bingle]

bingle, have you gone over my ico case yet and what is your opinion on that slot at this point in time

I hadn't, but I'm doing so now.

Spoiler: Recent Dats posts about D'Argon slot, spoilered for size

things that have pinged me wrong about iconeum the dragon:

- the "i have zero scumpings so far" in 61. it's not unreasonable to not have scumpings, but something about purposefully calling it out made it seem a bit forced - like he thinks town!him *would* be having scumpings by that point so he wants to cover his ass there.

- i think i already talked about it, but the "why are you worried about not having a read on me yet" (93, 509). like, it reminded me of scum!ico who sometimes has the habit of pre-emptively building a push on me, but the issue is if he builds it too early.

- shading vp in 513 but then voting dunn in 519 is kinda ???. now, i don't think it's scummy in of itself, but further through his iso, i'm not sure i get the vibe of him actually trying to sort through dunn/vp.

- also, the way he seemed very certain on dunn being a solid yeet for today just feels... agh, icky. i'm not sure if i'm making things up here, but something about being read to *yeet* dunn already feels kind of off, at least based on the way he presented it.

- this is maybe more within tinfoil territory, but 909 and 928 feel kind of contradictory to one another. specifically the parts where he first says that he's been liking my posts, and then there's the 1v1 we'd been having, and then that i should know i haven't done enough for him to townread me. but, i thnk the "i've been liking your posts" implies that there is material for him to townread me, except that material is "tainted" by the 1v1. to then turn it into "you haven't done enough" feels ???, like he realized he has to defend the weird null read on me so he's turning it into that. and the "if you're honest with yourself, you should know" just feels manipulative. :/

61: The point seems a little tinfoily. Seems to me that if Ico thought he should have scumpings and wanted to head that off he'd, you know, make some up.

93/509: I can see this. Given the assumption of Ico is scared of towntisi, this actually seems like a pretty solid point to push on. Not a lockscum case, but a pretty sheepable one.

Where is Ico showing he's very certain on Dunn? I more got the impression he was disengaged and didn't have strong reads from his posting.

Overall, I think most of this case is adequately explained by Ico just not being around, but the angle of Ico coming after you too early out of fear is one I should look at.

i don't know why, but darby's 1188 and 1190 give me a scummy vibe, in a sorta cognitive load way? what i mean is, the answers to those questions seem relatively easy to figure out if you read the post that skitter is literally quoting there. and the fact that he's *still* asking for clarification there strikes me as if he didn't quite get it because way too many other things are on his mind (i.e. he be informed)

someone let me know if i am getting too biased here, but those two just pinged me as Wrong

I think you're over complicating things with that read. He's straight up asking why skits is shading a townread on him, I don't think you need to examine cognitive load to see why that might have a scum motivation.

ok ok ok baltar now that you are here i need your professional opinion on something

so i saw this post:

To answer Penguin’s question earlier, I do have a read on [datisi] now: town. You’re absolutely tunneling me but I think it comes more from not knowing how I play vs actively taking my questions in bad faith.

this post struck me as kinda townie. maybe i'm wrong on that beign townie bc trying to placate your pushers is a thing sometimes but this tone and timing just seemed *too* placate-y it circled around into town

however, this post:

But shouldn’t that be a d2+ thing? This logic seems weird.

seemed to be hedgy shady bullshit and i don't like it

discuss

I think Darby tr-ing you shows that you're not S/S more than that he individually is town. The latter post seems to be genuine confusion given the context of page 57

Overall, I'm not really impressed by the case. It seems like a lot of what you're concerned about would be a result of Ico just not being in the game as much as Ico being scum in the game.

[Datisi]

Where is Ico showing he's very certain on Dunn? I more got the impression he was disengaged and didn't have strong reads from his posting.

Overall, I think most of this case is adequately explained by Ico just not being around, but the angle of Ico coming after you too early out of fear is one I should look at.

the overall lack of solving almost everyone else but still pushing for the dunn wagon - like sure maybe he didn't say he's certain on dunn but that's the overall impression i believe his play was giving due to not much sorting of other people or considering other possible yeet targets

and i believe i had experienced scum!ico trying to fake the sorting/paranoia we usually have between each other and building a case on me too early, so, that wasn't really pulled out nowhere