Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Bingle]

dats you look more and more aligned with ico/darby >.>

~ skitter

:/

i think i am Interested in knowing what that post called for a :/

skitter seems really invested in the narrative of a you/ico scumteam which seems really unlikely from where I sit. I actually think that skitter has worse associations with Ico than you do, and the repeated attempts to paint you as S/S is a big red flag for me. I've explained a couple of times why I think you're not partnered (spoilered below) and she drops the issue, but it keeps coming up again and I don't understand the thought process at all.

Spoiler:

Fair enuf!

what are your present thoughts on gamma and penguin?
(And i would ask abt ico/dats as well but i believe u said u were waiting there)

~ skitter

I think gamma is scum. Basically I’m getting the feeling that he’s trying to present the thread in a certain way. Particularly the post when he said my “objection” to A50s meta tell was relevant seemed manipulative.

Pengy hasn’t really been doing anything but isn’t getting a lot of attention. I think if baltar is scum they have a lot of equity together, but I’m also townreading baltar so I’m not super worried there atm.

I think you’re wrong about ico/dats being S/S. Making the ico read this drawn out seems like a weird way to go for dats if they’re buddies. They’d have to know that the longer they drew it out the worse it would look if they failed to produce results and it’s not like one of them would die conveniently over the night at some point to prevent the need for a grand reveal or follow through. Unfortunately, I could easily see either of them being scum at this point: dats leaning on ico being absent to not have to engage as much is a tinfoil I have, and there’s just a whole lot of nothing from ico.

bingle, do you think i'm purposefully not engaging with this game? like, do you genuinely have a problem with the amount of content i've had so far?

Do I think you haven’t posted enough? No. Do I think the amount/content of what you’ve posted makes you town? Also no. Do I think focusing on ico when you did was a convenient way to produce content that scum you could take advantage of? Yes. Do I think that town you wouldn’t have focused on ico there? No, although that’s more based on how skitter is treating your ability to read ico than firsthand knowledge of your ability with him.

I agree that you’d probably have a more nuanced read/plan by now if you/ico was S/S though.

[Bingle]

the overall lack of solving almost everyone else but still pushing for the dunn wagon - like sure maybe he didn't say he's certain on dunn but that's the overall impression i believe his play was giving due to not much sorting of other people or considering other possible yeet targets

I dunno, I kind of attribute the not sorting other people to a general lack of engagement over all. I might be being too generous with how much of that was RL though.

I don't particularly dislike an Ico elim, I just don't feel that he's the obvscum other people seem to think he is.

[Gamma Emerald]

also hi i am drinking does anyone wanna fight about something

You're wrong about hydra consistency.

wdym by this

[Datisi]

I dunno, I kind of attribute the not sorting other people to a general lack of engagement over all. I might be being too generous with how much of that was RL though.

i think you're missing my point

not sorting other people = can be explained by irl so nai

not sorting other people AND having decent confidence in wanting to yeet dunn = concerning

like either he didn't have time to sort properly so he shouldn't have a confident yeet target in mind, or he had time to solve properly to have a yeet target in mind, when then evidence of that sorting would be visible. it can't be both.

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you think you a scum hydra would fake dissonance in thread to appear more townie?

Only the good ones. Weaponized hydra dissonance is a powerful tool in the hands of a decent scum player.

yeah
also, this is just personal rambling but I feel like the people I most enjoy playing with as a hydra are also the folks I have an insane amount of hydra dissonance with. It's like a curse.

[Gamma Emerald]

also scum hydrae can have real dissonance in that both heads have different agendas they're trying to push. The key is that one key concept, whether there's an agenda at hand.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm religiously allergic to reading wall-posts

I made like two wall posts and that was just to catch up after I was gone about 36 hours.

Just admit you hate me.

p.edit -- actually going to bump this loudly on my sound system now.

from experience even your shorter posts take time to digest.

[Bingle]

i think you're missing my point

not sorting other people = can be explained by irl so nai

not sorting other people AND having decent confidence in wanting to yeet dunn = concerning

like either he didn't have time to sort properly so he shouldn't have a confident yeet target in mind, or he had time to solve properly to have a yeet target in mind, when then evidence of that sorting would be visible. it can't be both.

That actually makes a lot of sense.

I kind of wish Ico was still here to answer to this.

[Datisi]

for the record, i am also starting to feel like gamma's posts don't have too much solvey substance in them.

[Gamma Emerald]

no shit Sherlock, I've acknowledged others calling that out saying they're right and that just because I'm not actively solving doesn't make me scum

[VP Baltar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DArby

Feel like this is going to be the most informative yeet and I'm bored with this day.

[DArby]

To answer Penguin’s question earlier, I do have a read on you now: town. You’re absolutely tunneling me but I think it comes more from not knowing how I play vs actively taking my questions in bad faith.

What about me?

~ skitter

I townread you mainly because I feel your dissonance between yourselves is genuine.

How does that make them town? Do you think you a scum hydra would fake dissonance in thread to appear more townie?

They could sure. But this dissonance didn't come out of the gate. It was brought up by other people mainly for them to confirm who was feeling what. I'd imagine a hydra that would want to appear more natural would do so more obviously.

[DArby]

DArby is cunning enough to fake that as scum.

I think I've seen Darby in a game recently (although I don't remember which one) and thinking his play was good. I also don't remember what alignment he was. But gth I wouldn't put it past him. I'll update this after I'm caught up and can look to figure out which game that was.

To date I have no finished games as scum.

[DArby]

it feels like the purpose of darby's posting is to avoid death and not to actually find bad guys

also the reason skitter/me have different reads on VP baltar is because I'm religiously allergic to reading wall-posts and she loves complete sentences.

Yes but no. I don't want to respond to over 50 pages of things that I wasn't apart of. I've been a huge topic of discussion but have responded to things that don't involve me.

[DArby]

The cum reads specifically. They are the three players who got the biggest wagons

This made me laugh harder than I'd like to admit.

[DArby]

F&G, VP, Datsi are all town from the last few posts I've seen.

Bingle and Gamma are null, where posts feels less solve focus and more expaniding on things already said.

[DArby]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DArby

Feel like this is going to be the most informative yeet and I'm bored with this day.

What would you get if I flipped either alignment?

[Enchant]

Unpopylar opinion, no scum has wagoned today otherwise i would be on chopping block already.

[Enchant]

Therefory.

VOTE: Fun and Games

[Enchant]

Like really i sitted with vote on Assassin like how many pages.

Only VP really considers it. Mafia not joining with "well yeah Assassin is scummy probably could elim", huh? It's seems mafia cool with wagons.

[Enchant]

Or i am primitive idk

[Enchant]

Or Assassin is mafia but i don't really think so anymore

[Enchant]

Townreading for cum is probably my first sane decision in this game.

[Sleepless Assassin]

Unpopylar opinion, no scum has wagoned today otherwise i would be on chopping block already.

Can you walk me through this? It sounds like you're saying scum have spread their votes around otherwise they'd be voting you, is that right?

[Datisi]

cakez, pp, and a50 are gone

dunn and n_m still haven't been replaced

someone alert me when something happens