Open 835: D6 | Songs About Ronald Reagan | Day 5

[Galron]

But redtea said they were going to come back with more 3 hours before penguin hammered, and redtea couldn't have known penguin was going to do that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Depends on the player I think
I would definitely twilight troll, myself

[Galron]

So I'm not going to hang a scumread on redtea for not posting in twilight at least.

[Galron]

You post all the time anyway though.

[Roden]

We can ig
I’ve mostly said what I meant already. There’s a certain feeling I get from you this game, which I can only recall from you in games where you’ve been scum. There’s a certain level of anger you seem to emanate, the best bin I can toss it in would be “scum who feels they’re caught for bad reasons” because that’s pretty much what happened both times I caught you. My reasons weren’t stellar but they caught scum.

Ok, this is something I can actually respond to.

The "anger" I'm feeling here is just frustration for multiple reasons. I'm frustrated that the game state has felt DoA, that townies that I believe to be good players would rather vote themselves than answer basic questions and push their scum reads, and that we've lost all of our PRs and have like zero leads. My frustration with you in particular is that you refused to explain your read, but kept saying I was scum, but also didn't really push me for it. FMPOV it just looks like you're giving a weak read and then coasting in a low activity game.

What particularly gets me though with this explanation is that your meta tell about my anger is just wrong. I replicate it in my scum games, it isn't real, because my "town tell" has in fact always been cited as me getting mad and aggressive. You've been in those exact games as well so this is even more confusing for me. This was very noticeable and thoroughly explained in Chrono Trigger, and my other town games have also shown various levels of it. Scarlet Witch is an irrefutable example.

How did you even come to this conclusion that "anger = scum" when it's always been the complete opposite?

[Gamma Emerald]

How did you even come to this conclusion that "anger = scum" when it's always been the complete opposite?

Because I feel like there’s a pattern in games where you’re scum of “I push Roden on something > he freaks out about it > he flips scum” so it might just be your base reaction and I’m having a positive feedback loop

[Galron]

I've got to re-read Scarlet Witch. There were four of us in that game, N_M, Meg, Roden and me.

[Roden]

How did you even come to this conclusion that "anger = scum" when it's always been the complete opposite?

Because I feel like there’s a pattern in games where you’re scum of “I push Roden on something > he freaks out about it > he flips scum” so it might just be your base reaction and I’m having a positive feedback loop

I made a point of not doing that this game though?

The reason I've brought up Chrono Trigger/Yakra so much is that I'm pretty sure that was the first completed game we've both been in and would make more sense as your base to read me on since it would've been your first impression. And I don't have any completed games where you've done “I push Roden on something > he freaks out about it > he flips scum”. Which to me just leaves one unfinished game as the only thing you could possibly be referencing for this supposed pattern.

[Gamma Emerald]

LN 235, I pushed you because both scum ro3’d you before Nero claimed his result. I just never had to back myself up because the guilty happened.

[Galron]

Roden self-voting that game doesn't help.

[Galron]

Roden self-voting that game doesn't help.

Not 235 but scarlet witch

[Galron]

Maybe I was too quick to tr Roden.

[Roden]

Roden self-voting that game doesn't help.

Not 235 but scarlet witch

Maybe I was too quick to tr Roden.

I'm not following your thought process here.

[Roden]

LN 235, I pushed you because both scum ro3’d you before Nero claimed his result. I just never had to back myself up because the guilty happened.

I...don't remember this? I just remember Nero opening the day telling everyone to vote me and giving zero reasons until I went to bed and I couldn't respond. I got elim'd in my sleep and don't remember interacting much with you at all that game. I'll reread it again because even when I linked the game earlier I didn't notice what you vaguely referenced before.

[Galron]

Roden self-voting that game doesn't help.

Not 235 but scarlet witch

Maybe I was too quick to tr Roden.

I'm not following your thought process here.

You rage voted yourself in Scarlet Witch, and you blew up at Penguin for doing the same thing.

[Roden]

Why is Arc town? I feel like she’s the other person implicated by flipped scum’s reads alongside Roden

I'm fairly certain flipped scum reads clear me unless you want to suggest the entire scum team was scrambling to bus each other Day 1.

Who is the “lone confirmed townie” to you, Roden?
Atp I think 2 people are actually factually obvtown here at least

DGB is basically conftown through the flips. Dwlee is the only obvtown we have, though I thought I was as well.

I feel like you are
The Meg push helps considerably

Multiple people pushed Mega, including a confirmed scum.

He was on Meg from the very start pretty much
Without him I don’t think Meg would’ve gotten near as much pressure as she ended up getting

So was Shrek, who kept going at Mega even after Nero gave up and tunneled you instead. Nero also was the main driving force on T3 and Cyrus elims, and still thinks you're scum. I'm not sure why you think Nero should be lock town, when from your perspective he's hard pushed for three townies and gave up on pushing two players who eventually flipped red. He even went quiet for both scum elims. Like I can understand town reading him but town locking him just doesn't make sense.

Who is the “lone confirmed townie” to you, Roden?
Atp I think 2 people are actually factually obvtown here at least

DGB is basically conftown through the flips. Dwlee is the only obvtown we have, though I thought I was as well.

You townread me this time

I town read you in the back half of Chrono Trigger too.

Am I correct in saying these are the posts you're referring to Gamma? Because “I push Roden on something > he freaks out about it > he flips scum” doesn't apply here at all, these are pretty calm and rational responses. I don't even see the Ro3 thing here.

[Roden]

Roden self-voting that game doesn't help.

Not 235 but scarlet witch

Maybe I was too quick to tr Roden.

I'm not following your thought process here.

You rage voted yourself in Scarlet Witch, and you blew up at Penguin for doing the same thing.

I think there's a pretty clear difference between getting death tunneled by half the town on page 2, including Guillo's toxic as fuck attacks against me (who btw should've known I was town through role PM flavor!), and Penguin self voting after literally doing nothing for two Days straight and refusing to scum hunt and answer questions. Like you really can't say it's the same situation at all.

Also, what does this have to do with town reading me? Or Gamma's meta case on me?

[Galron]

Really? I note that kind of inconsistency and you ask why that affects my read? I'm not exactly knocking you out of a TR, but it got me to thinking. And I don't know why Gamma's case on you comes up here.

[Egix96]

Why does twilight posting matter?

I think scum have a tendency not to post in twilight and just let town wifom themselves.

I was asleep at the time

[Roden]

Really? I note that kind of inconsistency and you ask why that affects my read? I'm not exactly knocking you out of a TR, but it got me to thinking. And I don't know why Gamma's case on you comes up here.

It isn't an inconsistency though, you're ignoring context and just looking at an action in a vacuum. And regardless I don't see how a general inconsistency would make you question a read anyway.

Like, you're telling me you saw me self vote in a previous game and face consequences for it, and thought it was +scum that I would in a later game say self-voting is bad?

[Gamma Emerald]

Am I correct in saying these are the posts you're referring to Gamma? Because “I push Roden on something > he freaks out about it > he flips scum” doesn't apply here at all, these are pretty calm and rational responses. I don't even see the Ro3 thing here.

I’m gonna have to review that game myself then

[numberQ]

VOTE: Egix

Nothing has changed with my Egix read. In fact, the Penguin flip makes me more confident with it. Though I am slightly concerned that we have 3 scum left on day 3 and I only have 1 SR I feel decently about. I don't have time right now to do so, but I'll need to look back through the game, because I think the competing wagons yesterday will tell us a lot in hindsight.

So I guess you were right, Penguin.

[Almost50]

What set-up is this again?

The one in which we have no more TPRs alive.

[Galron]

Shock the monkey.

VOTE: Almost50

[Gamma Emerald]

Why? Tbh I would pick him out as a reasonably good PR hunter