Newbie 2084: Signs [game over!]

[ProHawk]

Something

really weird

is happening with my wagon tbf. I already stated my intentions when it comes to MegAzumarill and promised that I would explain what I'm doing. It seems like in the meantime the game has drifted towards me and I don't even know how to defend myself, because I don't know why am I suddenly the leading wagon.

What do you feel is strange about your wagon?
Scum led or town led?

[Greeting]

Something

really weird

is happening with my wagon tbf. I already stated my intentions when it comes to MegAzumarill and promised that I would explain what I'm doing. It seems like in the meantime the game has drifted towards me and I don't even know how to defend myself, because I don't know why am I suddenly the leading wagon.

What do you feel is strange about your wagon?
Scum led or town led?

I definitely don't see Meuh as a townread. Maybe too soon too tell if they're a scumread, but that's someone I'm not trusting.

I was reading MegAzumarill neutrally until he decided to hop on too, in 119 with zero explanation as to why he's done that whatsoever. Actually, it annoyed me that he did that, not because it's me that he's voting off, but because I wanted to put him as a soft townlean and this was like a U-turn towards scum territory in my mind. It's really easy to vote out someone who is actually plotting to do something, but just can't deliver the results immediately. I feel like scum can exploit that.

Nevertheless, I am waiting for my answers.

I can't help but notice that you didn't answer mine (113) as well.

[Meuh]

Greeting's at E-2, no one else jump on the wagon, E-2 isn't risky but E-1 could be exploited by scum

I can't help but notice that... you're also on that wagon.

I assume that you're voting me out because you think I'm scum. But if I'm scum, then how exactly is my partner going to exploit this wagon?
And if you don't want to vote me out then why are you on my wagon, may I ask?

With this post you sound like someone who wants to sound like a genuine newbie, but what you said doesn't really make any sense. Unless you're doing something similar to what I'm doing with MegAzumarill's wagon.

I think you're the player most likely to be mafia, but it's a page 6 read, I'm not confident in it. You could be town and I wouldn't be too shocked.
Also, there's no benefit to not being careful here! Another thing to consider would be time as a resource, spending more time today talking will benefit us long term, there's no reason to want you hammered this early, even if I knew 100% that you were maf.

I am doing something similar to what you're doing with Meg's wagon but you'll notice 2 things:
-It's not the focal points of the posts I made before voting for you (which it was for you before voting for Meg, while I casted actual suspicion before voting)
-I'm scared about E-1, not E-2, which I think is something scum could actually take advantage of here. They'd throw in a vote on you, say it was an accidental hammer and move on, it's something mafia could try to do here and I'd rather not deal with something of the sort.

So no, I don't want you to be hammered here, I think it'd be bad.

[Meuh]

I do agree that Meg should actually justify their vote, don't see why they wouldn't, a bit weird

[ProHawk]

I'm on my phone I will get to quote your posts when I get some more time but they're the initial ones

[Greeting]

Greeting's at E-2, no one else jump on the wagon, E-2 isn't risky but E-1 could be exploited by scum

I can't help but notice that... you're also on that wagon.

I assume that you're voting me out because you think I'm scum. But if I'm scum, then how exactly is my partner going to exploit this wagon?
And if you don't want to vote me out then why are you on my wagon, may I ask?

With this post you sound like someone who wants to sound like a genuine newbie, but what you said doesn't really make any sense. Unless you're doing something similar to what I'm doing with MegAzumarill's wagon.

I think you're the player most likely to be mafia, but it's a page 6 read, I'm not confident in it. You could be town and I wouldn't be too shocked.
Also, there's no benefit to not being careful here! Another thing to consider would be time as a resource, spending more time today talking will benefit us long term, there's no reason to want you hammered this early, even if I knew 100% that you were maf.

I am doing something similar to what you're doing with Meg's wagon

but you'll notice 2 things:
-It's not the focal points of the posts I made before voting for you (which it was for you before voting for Meg, while I casted actual suspicion before voting)
-I'm scared about E-1, not E-2, which I think is something scum could actually take advantage of here. They'd throw in a vote on you, say it was an accidental hammer and move on, it's something mafia could try to do here and I'd rather not deal with something of the sort.

So no, I don't want you to be hammered here, I think it'd be bad.

Okay, so if you are testing something, then what is it that you're testing?

You really barely answered any of my questions.

[Greeting]

The game definitely sped up and went elsewhere, to the point that my original idea with MegAzumarill's wagon might actually not work and become irrelevant. But I'll still wait until tomorrow morning.

[Meuh]

Greeting's at E-2, no one else jump on the wagon, E-2 isn't risky but E-1 could be exploited by scum

I can't help but notice that... you're also on that wagon.

I assume that you're voting me out because you think I'm scum. But if I'm scum, then how exactly is my partner going to exploit this wagon?
And if you don't want to vote me out then why are you on my wagon, may I ask?

With this post you sound like someone who wants to sound like a genuine newbie, but what you said doesn't really make any sense. Unless you're doing something similar to what I'm doing with MegAzumarill's wagon.

I think you're the player most likely to be mafia, but it's a page 6 read, I'm not confident in it. You could be town and I wouldn't be too shocked.
Also, there's no benefit to not being careful here! Another thing to consider would be time as a resource, spending more time today talking will benefit us long term, there's no reason to want you hammered this early, even if I knew 100% that you were maf.

I am doing something similar to what you're doing with Meg's wagon

but you'll notice 2 things:
-It's not the focal points of the posts I made before voting for you (which it was for you before voting for Meg, while I casted actual suspicion before voting)
-I'm scared about E-1, not E-2, which I think is something scum could actually take advantage of here. They'd throw in a vote on you, say it was an accidental hammer and move on, it's something mafia could try to do here and I'd rather not deal with something of the sort.

So no, I don't want you to be hammered here, I think it'd be bad.

Okay, so if you are testing something, then what is it that you're testing?

You really barely answered any of my questions.

That's not what I meant. I thought you were saying me making sure it didn't go to E-1 was similar to what you did in the Meg wagon, which it was in some ways. I don't have a secret plan, although there's the benefit of looking for reactions when starting a wagon, ProHawk and Meg jumping on is something interesting to look at.

What do you want me to answer exactly? I think I misinterpreted your original question to some extent but still, I don't know what you're wanting me to elaborate on.

[Prism]

I've intentionally avoided commenting on Greeting as I knew that they faced issues with players scumreading their tone and finding their play frustrating in Newbie 2081. I wanted to take the time to work through the substance and progression instead.

There's an instinct to be transparent about trying something new that might backfire. Unfortunately, it is usually counterproductive and results in more scrutiny being put on the thing you're testing. I think this is the confusion Greeting is experiencing.

Reviewing Greeting's ISO, I see some pieces I like and some common themes. It's very obvious, at least to me, that what they're doing involves running people up to high-but-not-elimination wagons. Post 91 makes it clear that they weren't voting Meg out of suspicion. I think the most illuminating line comes at the end of 91 in reply to marci: "Wagons can also be used for other purposes than actually voting someone out and that's what I want to do."

I'm not really inclined to vote this slot yet. I wouldn't call it hardtown but I liked 46's reply to Marcistar. Greeting wasn't enthused by the gamepace, but didn't realize that marcistar was highlighting that

someone

has to push the game forward, and the response is in line with that.

[Meuh]

I'll re-ISO Greeting, haven't done much to reevaluate my read on him since I placed my vote

[Prism]

AsuStuckey-have you been around at all? Let us know if there's anything we can do to help clarify arguments or events.

[marcistar]

@

marcistar

are you jumping ship on Meg or not?

do u want me to..?
im still trying to think a lil bit

[Prism]

Right now, this is where I am at:

Happy to vote pile: ProHawk, MegAzumarill, StrangeMatter
Willing to vote pile: Meuh, AsusStuckey by default
Not really willing to vote: Greeting, Cape90
Not voting: marcistar

[MegAzumarill]

I thought it was pretty well established the wagon on Greeting is because their content feels manufactured.
I agreed and asked for elaboration and didn't like their response. In fact I think some of their recent posting indicates scum.

[MegAzumarill]

Greeting's at E-2, no one else jump on the wagon, E-2 isn't risky but E-1 could be exploited by scum

I can't help but notice that... you're also on that wagon.

I assume that you're voting me out because you think I'm scum. But if I'm scum, then how exactly is my partner going to exploit this wagon?
And if you don't want to vote me out then why are you on my wagon, may I ask?

With this post you sound like someone who wants to sound like a genuine newbie, but what you said doesn't really make any sense. Unless you're doing something similar to what I'm doing with MegAzumarill's wagon.

This reads to me "I want to shade you for this but I am doing the same thing"
Which doesn't make sense from a town!greeting point of view.

[MegAzumarill]

Greeting's at E-2, no one else jump on the wagon, E-2 isn't risky but E-1 could be exploited by scum

I can't help but notice that... you're also on that wagon.

I assume that you're voting me out because you think I'm scum. But if I'm scum, then how exactly is my partner going to exploit this wagon?
And if you don't want to vote me out then why are you on my wagon, may I ask?

With this post you sound like someone who wants to sound like a genuine newbie, but what you said doesn't really make any sense. Unless you're doing something similar to what I'm doing with MegAzumarill's wagon.

I think you're the player most likely to be mafia, but it's a page 6 read, I'm not confident in it. You could be town and I wouldn't be too shocked.
Also, there's no benefit to not being careful here! Another thing to consider would be time as a resource, spending more time today talking will benefit us long term, there's no reason to want you hammered this early, even if I knew 100% that you were maf.

I am doing something similar to what you're doing with Meg's wagon

but you'll notice 2 things:
-It's not the focal points of the posts I made before voting for you (which it was for you before voting for Meg, while I casted actual suspicion before voting)
-I'm scared about E-1, not E-2, which I think is something scum could actually take advantage of here. They'd throw in a vote on you, say it was an accidental hammer and move on, it's something mafia could try to do here and I'd rather not deal with something of the sort.

So no, I don't want you to be hammered here, I think it'd be bad.

Okay, so if you are testing something, then what is it that you're testing?

You really barely answered any of my questions.

You have already said (strongly implied) that you did not to wish to reveal the reasons of your "test" in town's interests. Why would you push for a similar play to be revealed?

[Greeting]

Greeting's at E-2, no one else jump on the wagon, E-2 isn't risky but E-1 could be exploited by scum

I can't help but notice that... you're also on that wagon.

I assume that you're voting me out because you think I'm scum. But if I'm scum, then how exactly is my partner going to exploit this wagon?
And if you don't want to vote me out then why are you on my wagon, may I ask?

With this post you sound like someone who wants to sound like a genuine newbie, but what you said doesn't really make any sense. Unless you're doing something similar to what I'm doing with MegAzumarill's wagon.

I think you're the player most likely to be mafia, but it's a page 6 read, I'm not confident in it. You could be town and I wouldn't be too shocked.
Also, there's no benefit to not being careful here! Another thing to consider would be time as a resource, spending more time today talking will benefit us long term, there's no reason to want you hammered this early, even if I knew 100% that you were maf.

I am doing something similar to what you're doing with Meg's wagon

but you'll notice 2 things:
-It's not the focal points of the posts I made before voting for you (which it was for you before voting for Meg, while I casted actual suspicion before voting)
-I'm scared about E-1, not E-2, which I think is something scum could actually take advantage of here. They'd throw in a vote on you, say it was an accidental hammer and move on, it's something mafia could try to do here and I'd rather not deal with something of the sort.

So no, I don't want you to be hammered here, I think it'd be bad.

Okay, so if you are testing something, then what is it that you're testing?

You really barely answered any of my questions.

You have already said (strongly implied) that you did not to wish to reveal the reasons of your "test" in town's interests. Why would you push for a similar play to be revealed?

Why wouldn't I?

[MegAzumarill]

If revealing a similar play wouldn't be benificial to the town, what makes you think revealing this would be?

[Greeting]

If revealing a similar play wouldn't be benificial to the town, what makes you think revealing this would be?

There are different degrees of similarity. If Meuh has a reason to keep their secret, I won't be a hypocrite and I will respect that. Except it seems that they don't have a secret nor a secret play (132).

Is it so very bad that I want to know why I got put on E-2 so fast? Your reason was so obvious that virtually no one knew it, Meuh stated theirs in an earlier post but then made a post which made me question their motives completely (121) and ProHawk said very little about supposed unanswered questions.

[MegAzumarill]

If revealing a similar play wouldn't be benificial to the town, what makes you think revealing this would be?

There are different degrees of similarity. If Meuh has a reason to keep their secret, I won't be a hypocrite and I will respect that. Except it seems that they don't have a secret nor a secret play (132).

That post was after your actions, yet you use it to justify them?

[Greeting]

If revealing a similar play wouldn't be benificial to the town, what makes you think revealing this would be?

There are different degrees of similarity. If Meuh has a reason to keep their secret, I won't be a hypocrite and I will respect that. Except it seems that they don't have a secret nor a secret play (132).

That post was after your actions, yet you use it to justify them?

I knew he wasn't making sense right after I saw 121, I just wanted to expose it.

[Greeting]

Sorry, *she.

[Cape90]

Right now, this is where I am at:

Happy to vote pile: ProHawk, MegAzumarill, StrangeMatter
Willing to vote pile: Meuh, AsusStuckey by default
Not really willing to vote: Greeting, Cape90
Not voting: marcistar

You have not even really talked about me, walk me through why you aren't really willing to vote me

[Greeting]

I thought it was pretty well established the wagon on Greeting is because their content feels manufactured.

I agreed and asked for elaboration and didn't like their response.

In fact I think some of their recent posting indicates scum.

What did you not like about my response?

The fact that I openly stated what I was doing, only withholding

why

I was doing it?
Or the fact that you asked for me to elaborate on it by the end of day and I said yes?

I honestly fail to see your logic.

[Cape90]

I thought it was pretty well established the wagon on Greeting is because their content feels manufactured.
I agreed and asked for elaboration and didn't like their response. In fact I think some of their recent posting indicates scum.

manufactured from what?
Do you think they are being coached?
Or do you think they are just speaking words they themselves don't believe? Or to look busy?