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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:45 am

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In post 168, MegAzumarill wrote:No not from scum!you just scum in general doesn't have reason to immediately deepdive into a player to try to find minute details to justify a player is town. ( It doesn't serve a purpose, is hard to do naturally, and often isn't convincing evidence to protect a partner. )
It doesn't serve a specific purpose, but many things don't as scum and they're fairly rote?

Spoiler: Scum post sample
In post 533, inutile wrote:
In post 532, humaneatingmonkey wrote:is there any reason to doubt prism's alignment?
do you think scum!prism would be more or less likely to express that they were upset with a town/town pairing after witnessing menalque’s reaction to a scum flip in the tarot game?
This post by a scum player was extremely specific about why I was town, but wasn't targeted at getting me specifically to townread the player. It just leveraged pre-existing knowledge to create a believable read for general effect, very similar to my read on marcistar.

I don't want to get too much into the weeds here debating why my own play isn't strongly AI, but this is a strangely lax belief.
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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:48 am

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In post 174, MegAzumarill wrote:
In post 173, Meuh wrote:
In post 172, MegAzumarill wrote:Meuh is an interesting case, I don't think they are S/S (scum partners) with greeting. I could see town!meuh and scum!greeting or vice versa. I'd like to hear more from the slot and don't want to lim them today.



This leaves a pool of AzuStuckey, greeting, Prohawk lims for today.
I'm currently mentally preparing to ISO a bunch of people and drop a readslist later tonight instead of just ISOing Greeting, so you should have some more of that juicy juicy content like you got in . :cool: (Might end up procrastinating and not doing it, but I'll try my best to :oops:)
It's really not a matter of the content you are posting or the amount, but it leans on paranoia so it's probably best not to discuss.
Well, hopefully I'll end up quenching your desire for knowledge :lol:
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:51 am

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In post 175, Prism wrote:
In post 168, MegAzumarill wrote:No not from scum!you just scum in general doesn't have reason to immediately deepdive into a player to try to find minute details to justify a player is town. ( It doesn't serve a purpose, is hard to do naturally, and often isn't convincing evidence to protect a partner. )
It doesn't serve a specific purpose, but many things don't as scum and they're fairly rote?

Spoiler: Scum post sample
In post 533, inutile wrote:
In post 532, humaneatingmonkey wrote:is there any reason to doubt prism's alignment?
do you think scum!prism would be more or less likely to express that they were upset with a town/town pairing after witnessing menalque’s reaction to a scum flip in the tarot game?
This post by a scum player was extremely specific about why I was town, but wasn't targeted at getting me specifically to townread the player. It just leveraged pre-existing knowledge to create a believable read for general effect, very similar to my read on marcistar.

I don't want to get too much into the weeds here debating why my own play isn't strongly AI, but this is a strangely lax belief.
I suppose we will see then, although you seem fairly confident and consitent with you doing that in this game. I'll probably give that game a look but from what I see at first, that was more of a passing comment.
(i.e. A single comment wouldn't be out of the question but with you its a repeat offense)

It's possible you are making your life a lot more difficult for towncred but it doesn't feel that way.
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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:56 am

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I'm skeptical of the legitimacy of this read in general.

It doesn't help that I don't think it applies to me, and instinctively I want to grab receipts and make it all about me and my history, but I'm going to restrain myself and not write a grand soliloquy of my mafia exploits way back in the year 1812.
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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:10 pm

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-_()_- It feels more likely to come from town than scum.

I'd provide example but I don't think we'd get anywhere.

VOTE: ProHawk Let's get some pressure this way.
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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:22 pm

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In post 171, Prism wrote: That said, the MafiaScum wiki has some great articles that have kind of stood the test of time. I'm partial to this one.
Wow, this article is a real eye-opener as to how players on MafiaScum operate and behave. I guess it explains quite a lot. I’ve obviously played mafia several times before joining this site and I knew the general strategies, which I applied in my own way. I had no idea that people use this as a suggested point system and then act upon it.
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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:25 pm

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I do have a basic readslist with some reads, but I don’t really have anything on ProHawk. But I’d rather finish what I’m doing now first (regarding Meg’s wagon) before moving on. Even though now I think all this was for nothing.
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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:42 pm

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In post 154, Greeting wrote:
In post 136, marcistar wrote:
In post 116, Greeting wrote:@
marcistar
are you jumping ship on Meg or not?
do u want me to..?
im still trying to think a lil bit :(
Let's say I
do
want you to jump on his wagon. What do you say to that?
:yawn: :yawn: ill vote it when i wanna unless if u have a good reason :yawn:
i was og gonna soon after i suggested it and seeing what you thought, but then i got busy and now its not my fave cup of tea.
In post 165, AsuStuckey wrote:Also right know I am trying to find out easy ways to tell if someone is mafia in the way you guys talk to each other, but in general I'm really confused on who to vote.
Finally, If you guys can give me tips on what to look for and how to jump into conversations that would really help
dont worry too much about who to vote right now, it'll come with time.
question things if you don't understand. what greeting said in point #3, i agree that'll be an easy way to get into conversation in the first place. but then once you talk with people and see their views on things, you'll have to try to see if it makes sense for them to do what they're doing.
In post 172, MegAzumarill wrote:This leaves a pool of AzuStuckey, greeting, Prohawk lims for today.
i wouldn't want to elim azustuckey today yet, as I want to give them more time to practice playing (:
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:45 pm

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In post 180, Greeting wrote:
In post 171, Prism wrote: That said, the MafiaScum wiki has some great articles that have kind of stood the test of time. I'm partial to this one.
Wow, this article is a real eye-opener as to how players on MafiaScum operate and behave. I guess it explains quite a lot. I’ve obviously played mafia several times before joining this site and I knew the general strategies, which I applied in my own way. I had no idea that people use this as a suggested point system and then act upon it.
Alright locking Greeting as town.

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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:43 pm

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In post 155, Cape90 wrote:
In post 125, ProHawk wrote:
In post 123, Greeting wrote:Something
really weird
is happening with my wagon tbf. I already stated my intentions when it comes to MegAzumarill and promised that I would explain what I'm doing. It seems like in the meantime the game has drifted towards me and I don't even know how to defend myself, because I don't know why am I suddenly the leading wagon. :dead:
What do you feel is strange about your wagon?
Scum led or town led?
As long as we are talking about faking content, there is this.
What's fake about this?
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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:07 pm

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In post 165, AsuStuckey wrote:Okay I Have a lot of information to put out in this post
This is my very first game on mafia and I am very slow to jump into the conversations
So some of the slang I am not used to. I am guessing that a scum would be someone on the mafia side? And I'm not sure what abbreviated stuff like E-2 means.
Also right know I am trying to find out easy ways to tell if someone is mafia in the way you guys talk to each other, but in general I'm really confused on who to vote.
Finally, If you guys can give me tips on what to look for and how to jump into conversations that would really help
Sorry if I haven't really posted anything recently. Going to catch up quickly.after this.

There's not really a set thing (I feel like it kind of depends on the player really, and sometimes I really just don't know how to read someone) to look for when trying to figure out who is scum. Such as trying to catch their intent (an example is what do you think this person is doing if they were mafia?). Or, maybe you can always try POE (Process of Elimination), where you look for people who you think are town and narrow the pool people of people you suspect and catch scum. But I'll be honest here, it's usually best to find what works for you the best by experimenting.
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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:39 pm

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In post 137, Prism wrote:Right now, this is where I am at:

Happy to vote pile: ProHawk, MegAzumarill, StrangeMatter
Willing to vote pile: Meuh, AsusStuckey by default

Not really willing to vote: Greeting, Cape90
Not voting: marcistar
I'm kind of wondering, can you explain the top two columns?
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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:34 pm

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In post 184, ProHawk wrote:
In post 155, Cape90 wrote:
In post 125, ProHawk wrote:
In post 123, Greeting wrote:Something
really weird
is happening with my wagon tbf. I already stated my intentions when it comes to MegAzumarill and promised that I would explain what I'm doing. It seems like in the meantime the game has drifted towards me and I don't even know how to defend myself, because I don't know why am I suddenly the leading wagon. :dead:
What do you feel is strange about your wagon?
Scum led or town led?
As long as we are talking about faking content, there is this.
What's fake about this?
Just seems like you are asking a random question without really thinking or trying to see perspective for yourself. I don't see depth in your content in general this game.
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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:42 am

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Alright, time for the readslist I promised (a bit later than I said, but it's okay :P) ! Here's the system I use: :cool:

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[TTT] - Confirmed town
[TT] - Very strong townread
[/TT] - Strong townread
[T] - Townread
[/T] - Townlean
[//T] - Slight townlean
[/] - Neutral
[//M] - Slight mafialean
[/M] - Mafialean
[M] - Mafiaread
[/MM] - Strong mafiaread
[MM] - Very strong mafiaread
[MMM] - Confirmed maf


AsuStuckey [/]
~ doesn't seem AI to me, I suppose looks slightly good just because some of the questions Asu asked in it could've just been asked in the mafia thread if they're maf, but I don't think it means too much. We have 2 posts to go off of, so I don't feel strongly on this slot.

Cape90 [/T]
~ Cape's general tone feels good early. gives off laid back townie energy, feels like it's trying to progress the game and so does and . Kinda hard to put into exact words but I just can't picture mafia making these posts?
is an okay post and I don't have a hard time believing Cape thought of voting for Meg before they were brought up. However, with Cape basing the reads on the way Meg and I both approach the game; it feels a bit more like it could be easily manufactured by mafia than other reads that have been put out. I think mafia have an easier time faking reads based on people's playstyles and the way they fundamentally view the game than on things like tone, so I could see mafia Cape make that post.
I don't really like , once again it's focused on stuff like "should we pressure inactives?" instead of reads and I don't think it furthered the game much. :eek:
"55 - At least 1 scum has spoken by this point and that is a fact. And that last line scares me and justifies my vote on you, thanks!"
really rubs me the wrong way and what Cape says there is inaccurate, at post 55, it wasn't confirmed that a mafia had spoken but Cape makes it sound like it. The way Cape responds to Meg's feels opportunistic and rooted in confirmation bias. It feels like Cape's actively looking for extra reason to cast suspicion on Meg instead of actually trying to make his read more accurate. Could come from town, but more often comes from scum.
, and all don't feel too productive. once again feels like Cape is misrepresenting events, as Marci wasn't "trying to get Greeting in on the action", Greeting's the one who asked for her to throw out a name, she was prompted to by him in the first place.
These posts are followed by more productive content soon after, so it doesn't feel like Cape made those 3 posts just to have content out there and then leave.
feels pretty good, although Cape's criticism of Prohawk's feels a bit weird with him just having made , which to me is a very similar post. It is true though that Prohawk in a general sense has been less helpful than Cape, however.
is a good post, feels relevant and someone actively trying to be useful.
I also like, can't see scum post that, really.
is a good point, neat.
Cape's early and later posts I tend to like, but the ones in the middle are a bit odd to me, so leantown is how I feel at this point.

Greeting [T]
~ I definitely needed to take another look at Greeting since the bulk of my read on him lied on only 2 of his 33 posts. Nothing from Greeting sticks out to me until . At first that post seemed weird to me and I was wondering why he was responding seriously when Marci didn't seem entirely serious, but why would scum do so? It's an aggressive play that furthers discussion and I kind of like it.
The entire interaction at feels townie on Greeting's end. :cool:
and , the posts that made me scumread him in the first place. The focus on hammer distance feels much less weird with the whole secret plan thing Greeting apparently had planned and honestly I think I believe it. Both of those posts make sense with the idea of Greeting trying some sort of secret plan to get information, and I have no clue why Greeting would be doing something so clearly sneaky and aggressive as scum here. The main thing I still do dislike about that sequence of posts is how Greeting states clearly he townreads Cape before voting for Meg. It still feels off to me and doesn't tie into the whole secret plan thing (or at least I don't think so?)
feels genuine and not anything scum would be attempting here.
is weird, but probably is some sort of way Greeting is trying to get more information out of his wagon on Meg.
The tone of feels bad, although I could see it come from an annoyed townie not really sure why they're being pushed in the first place (which is supported by and )
feels annoyed more than nervous which is something I like. I can very much see town!Greeting make this post. The bit about Meg's vote specifically I find reads very much like something a townie would be writing.
seems to involve some amount of miscommunication as I've already said. Aside from that, Greeting's still displaying annoyance at me that's consistent with the tone he's adapting. He doesn't feel my vote's justified and he doesn't feel like I'm addressing his questions properly. It's a decent post.
I like him mentioning the wagon again and promising results, just feels more so as if he truly had good intentions in starting the wagon.
's a bit weird but I don't mind too much I guess.
is still maintaining trying to understand why he's being pushed because of how he feels it's unjustified and unexplained. Once again, it's focused on understanding the suspicions before making a defense. It just looks townie to me.
is fine.
and are posts I could see come from either alignment, Greeting could be maf here trying to just make Meg look dumb, or it could just once again be an extension of annoyance at the wagon on him.
makes sense with what Greeting's posted before.
The tone of Greeting's posts after being pushed I suppose could be from annoyed scum, but I think is more likely coming from town feeling he's being pushed for baseless reasons and that this wagon on him is ruining the results he was trying to get earlier from his push earlier.
On a reread, Greeting's content before the posts that I disliked leans towards town, the posts I don't like are neutral I suppose and everything after leans towards town, so that's where my read is at this point. Maybe since I was rereading and was already scumreading him, it caused me to look for townie behavior and now I confirmation biased myself into a townread, but I have a hard time thinking Greeting's scum at this point.

marcistar [/T]
~ First few posts feel kinda NAI for Marci, and are both helpful though and it is true that I don't call myself an innocent angel much and it's terminology Marci prefers! :eek: :good:
Most of feel like a good mix of joking and developing reads, it's helpful. Still feel the last bit of the post is a bit defensive, but I don't feel too strongly about it.
I like the first line of , the second one still has a defensive tone I don't like, though.
is fine, I particularly like the line where she mentions being scared of being pocketed, I don't think that's the kind of thing that crosses mafia members' minds that often.
makes sense and seems like it probably comes from a townie mentality.
I also like.
, and all just don't seem to have much to them. I'd love more in depth/updated reads from Marci, I don't feel she's voiced her opinion on players much in a while, all 3 of those posts are very passive.

MegAzumarill [/M]
~ , and I don't feel strongly on.
, and are all very meh posts, just talking about how he approaches the game, doesn't further discussion much. and are both actually acknowledging the game we're playing which is neat ig, but Meg doesn't voice their opinion on it, they just ask questions to other people.
and are still just about the way he approaches the game. is just Meg lightly defending themselves and asking another question to Greeting.
and are just more simple questions, the latter feeling a bit hypocritical considering the content Meg themselves had put out. So does :lol:
just feels empty
Meg votes without justifying why, despite having said earlier they think people should give well detailed reasons for their votes :lol:
is Meg's first post where I actually feel he voices a read, well done! Even then it feels shallow and I would've liked for them to build on it.
is decent justification at least
The back-and-forth with Greeting in , and is fine, I guess.
you barely elaborated on it, come on. :roll: Also why are you the one complaining about lack of reads? You're on post 151 and your only read is the one with Greeting who despite you interacting with continously, you fail to provide good reasoning for voting aside from 2 posts that do an okay job at it.
and are okay and more reasoning, sure
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! MEG FINALLY DROPPED ANOTHER READ!!!! :D :D :D :D :D not a very in depth one, but wow!! a decent read from Meg!! Impressive!!
has some more reads, sorting a few people is nice. Would like to hear Meg's thoughts on Cape though.
I like the point made at the bottom of .
I'm fine with .
I like , the paranoia thing feels more so like something town would say.
is good content.
I like the vote in , although I feel it may be an attempt to to bring people's attention elsewhere and to be buddy buddy with Prism, who was already voting Hawk,
Don't know if you could tell, but I got very annoyed reading this ISO. Meg says people should justify their votes well, then doesn't do so. Meg complains about people not posting game relevant content while their posting was devoid of game relevance and focused on talking about their approach of the game and how it should be played over actual reads or significant stances on the current game. It gets a bit better near the end, but I don't think the emptiness of Meg's posts can be justified just by playstyle. It's a frustrating read because Meg's posts just feel so meaningless, I understand why Greeting was annoyed with them lmao. The read on Greeting doesn't feel particularly natural to me, either and the other reads feel very easy to manufacture.

Prism [/T]
~ Okay, I don't read as town or maf.
is some good little reads to start off, cool, I also like the pressure for Meg to drop reads.
are some standard questions.
and both feel like posts from someone trying to solve the game honestly, I like them a bit.
I feel pretty neutral on
the "players outgrowing metareads" point is fairly interesting and once again feels like it'd be stated by someone who's trying to solve the game and I like the way it's built upon in and . :cool:
is nice, natural pressure on Hawk.
is fine.
just feels natural and good.
The piles in make a whole lot of sense and the justification in and I also think is good.
The way she responds to Meg in and looks like town reasoning to me.
I don't have much constructive to say on this slot honestly which you've probably realized by my shallow analysis, her posts feel natural and well reasoned enough, but I'm not that confident on Prism's alignment. I feel like my brain's not big enough to actually do good analysis of her content :cry:

ProHawk [/M]
~ is fine as an intro, getting people to introduce themselves is nice! :cool:
I don't like , however. The reads on Marci and I feel easy to fabricate, the slight doubt on Prism for having voted him also does. In addition, it feels odd to have Hawk just... not mention Meg in the post at all, considering that:
-Hawk was casting a vote against Greeting, who had just launched a wagon on Meg.
-Meg was also engaging in the same "questions without follow-up" type of posts that Hawk used to justify his vote on Greeting.
I get the impression here that Hawk, if scum, just wanted to get something on board, threw together some standard reads and avoided the Meg wagon since it'd be too complex to address and passively jumped on the Greeting wagon. It's harder to see a town member make this post.
Hawk also engages in the same behavior he's supposedly voting Greeting for in .
is just bad justification for reads, I don't think "level of interaction" is a good thing to base reads off of, really?
, , and all don't have much substance.

Strangematter [//M]
~ So, and are both just the inactive discussion.
and just ask Marci a pretty basic question.
just also shades a post already shaded by others, is also just throwing a bit more stuff on the Greeting wagon. Still passive gameplay.
In and the nervousness discussion is alright I suppose, but it's also just easy content for scum to be putting out. At this point all that's been said by Stange regarding other players has been some shade on Greeting and a townread on Marci, which are pretty standard reads to have.
is a decent question, I guess.
I don't feel too strongly on this slot, but Strange's reads feel safe and standard; I'd like some reads on more players, especially Meg and myself. Strange also just hasn't done much to further discussion in my eyes, while a lot of players have done more to engage in that way. :oops:

I'll get my vote to a more appropriate spot and VOTE: MegAzumarill. :cool:
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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:43 am

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Alright, time for the readslist I promised (a bit later than I said, but it's okay :P) ! Here's the system I use: :cool:

Spoiler:
[TTT] - Confirmed town
[TT] - Very strong townread
[/TT] - Strong townread
[T] - Townread
[/T] - Townlean
[//T] - Slight townlean
[/] - Neutral
[//M] - Slight mafialean
[/M] - Mafialean
[M] - Mafiaread
[/MM] - Strong mafiaread
[MM] - Very strong mafiaread
[MMM] - Confirmed maf


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~ doesn't seem AI to me, I suppose looks slightly good just because some of the questions Asu asked in it could've just been asked in the mafia thread if they're maf, but I don't think it means too much. We have 2 posts to go off of, so I don't feel strongly on this slot.

Cape90 [/T]
~ Cape's general tone feels good early. gives off laid back townie energy, feels like it's trying to progress the game and so does and . Kinda hard to put into exact words but I just can't picture mafia making these posts?
is an okay post and I don't have a hard time believing Cape thought of voting for Meg before they were brought up. However, with Cape basing the reads on the way Meg and I both approach the game; it feels a bit more like it could be easily manufactured by mafia than other reads that have been put out. I think mafia have an easier time faking reads based on people's playstyles and the way they fundamentally view the game than on things like tone, so I could see mafia Cape make that post.
I don't really like , once again it's focused on stuff like "should we pressure inactives?" instead of reads and I don't think it furthered the game much. :eek:
"55 - At least 1 scum has spoken by this point and that is a fact. And that last line scares me and justifies my vote on you, thanks!"
really rubs me the wrong way and what Cape says there is inaccurate, at post 55, it wasn't confirmed that a mafia had spoken but Cape makes it sound like it. The way Cape responds to Meg's feels opportunistic and rooted in confirmation bias. It feels like Cape's actively looking for extra reason to cast suspicion on Meg instead of actually trying to make his read more accurate. Could come from town, but more often comes from scum.
, and all don't feel too productive. once again feels like Cape is misrepresenting events, as Marci wasn't "trying to get Greeting in on the action", Greeting's the one who asked for her to throw out a name, she was prompted to by him in the first place.
These posts are followed by more productive content soon after, so it doesn't feel like Cape made those 3 posts just to have content out there and then leave.
feels pretty good, although Cape's criticism of Prohawk's feels a bit weird with him just having made , which to me is a very similar post. It is true though that Prohawk in a general sense has been less helpful than Cape, however.
is a good post, feels relevant and someone actively trying to be useful.
I also like, can't see scum post that, really.
is a good point, neat.
Cape's early and later posts I tend to like, but the ones in the middle are a bit odd to me, so leantown is how I feel at this point.

Greeting [T]
~ I definitely needed to take another look at Greeting since the bulk of my read on him lied on only 2 of his 33 posts. Nothing from Greeting sticks out to me until . At first that post seemed weird to me and I was wondering why he was responding seriously when Marci didn't seem entirely serious, but why would scum do so? It's an aggressive play that furthers discussion and I kind of like it.
The entire interaction at feels townie on Greeting's end. :cool:
and , the posts that made me scumread him in the first place. The focus on hammer distance feels much less weird with the whole secret plan thing Greeting apparently had planned and honestly I think I believe it. Both of those posts make sense with the idea of Greeting trying some sort of secret plan to get information, and I have no clue why Greeting would be doing something so clearly sneaky and aggressive as scum here. The main thing I still do dislike about that sequence of posts is how Greeting states clearly he townreads Cape before voting for Meg. It still feels off to me and doesn't tie into the whole secret plan thing (or at least I don't think so?)
feels genuine and not anything scum would be attempting here.
is weird, but probably is some sort of way Greeting is trying to get more information out of his wagon on Meg.
The tone of feels bad, although I could see it come from an annoyed townie not really sure why they're being pushed in the first place (which is supported by and )
feels annoyed more than nervous which is something I like. I can very much see town!Greeting make this post. The bit about Meg's vote specifically I find reads very much like something a townie would be writing.
seems to involve some amount of miscommunication as I've already said. Aside from that, Greeting's still displaying annoyance at me that's consistent with the tone he's adapting. He doesn't feel my vote's justified and he doesn't feel like I'm addressing his questions properly. It's a decent post.
I like him mentioning the wagon again and promising results, just feels more so as if he truly had good intentions in starting the wagon.
's a bit weird but I don't mind too much I guess.
is still maintaining trying to understand why he's being pushed because of how he feels it's unjustified and unexplained. Once again, it's focused on understanding the suspicions before making a defense. It just looks townie to me.
is fine.
and are posts I could see come from either alignment, Greeting could be maf here trying to just make Meg look dumb, or it could just once again be an extension of annoyance at the wagon on him.
makes sense with what Greeting's posted before.
The tone of Greeting's posts after being pushed I suppose could be from annoyed scum, but I think is more likely coming from town feeling he's being pushed for baseless reasons and that this wagon on him is ruining the results he was trying to get earlier from his push earlier.
On a reread, Greeting's content before the posts that I disliked leans towards town, the posts I don't like are neutral I suppose and everything after leans towards town, so that's where my read is at this point. Maybe since I was rereading and was already scumreading him, it caused me to look for townie behavior and now I confirmation biased myself into a townread, but I have a hard time thinking Greeting's scum at this point.

marcistar [/T]
~ First few posts feel kinda NAI for Marci, and are both helpful though and it is true that I don't call myself an innocent angel much and it's terminology Marci prefers! :eek: :good:
Most of feel like a good mix of joking and developing reads, it's helpful. Still feel the last bit of the post is a bit defensive, but I don't feel too strongly about it.
I like the first line of , the second one still has a defensive tone I don't like, though.
is fine, I particularly like the line where she mentions being scared of being pocketed, I don't think that's the kind of thing that crosses mafia members' minds that often.
makes sense and seems like it probably comes from a townie mentality.
I also like.
, and all just don't seem to have much to them. I'd love more in depth/updated reads from Marci, I don't feel she's voiced her opinion on players much in a while, all 3 of those posts are very passive.

MegAzumarill [/M]
~ , and I don't feel strongly on.
, and are all very meh posts, just talking about how he approaches the game, doesn't further discussion much. and are both actually acknowledging the game we're playing which is neat ig, but Meg doesn't voice their opinion on it, they just ask questions to other people.
and are still just about the way he approaches the game. is just Meg lightly defending themselves and asking another question to Greeting.
and are just more simple questions, the latter feeling a bit hypocritical considering the content Meg themselves had put out. So does :lol:
just feels empty
Meg votes without justifying why, despite having said earlier they think people should give well detailed reasons for their votes :lol:
is Meg's first post where I actually feel he voices a read, well done! Even then it feels shallow and I would've liked for them to build on it.
is decent justification at least
The back-and-forth with Greeting in , and is fine, I guess.
you barely elaborated on it, come on. :roll: Also why are you the one complaining about lack of reads? You're on post 151 and your only read is the one with Greeting who despite you interacting with continously, you fail to provide good reasoning for voting aside from 2 posts that do an okay job at it.
and are okay and more reasoning, sure
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! MEG FINALLY DROPPED ANOTHER READ!!!! :D :D :D :D :D not a very in depth one, but wow!! a decent read from Meg!! Impressive!!
has some more reads, sorting a few people is nice. Would like to hear Meg's thoughts on Cape though.
I like the point made at the bottom of .
I'm fine with .
I like , the paranoia thing feels more so like something town would say.
is good content.
I like the vote in , although I feel it may be an attempt to to bring people's attention elsewhere and to be buddy buddy with Prism, who was already voting Hawk,
Don't know if you could tell, but I got very annoyed reading this ISO. Meg says people should justify their votes well, then doesn't do so. Meg complains about people not posting game relevant content while their posting was devoid of game relevance and focused on talking about their approach of the game and how it should be played over actual reads or significant stances on the current game. It gets a bit better near the end, but I don't think the emptiness of Meg's posts can be justified just by playstyle. It's a frustrating read because Meg's posts just feel so meaningless, I understand why Greeting was annoyed with them lmao. The read on Greeting doesn't feel particularly natural to me, either and the other reads feel very easy to manufacture.

Prism [/T]
~ Okay, I don't read as town or maf.
is some good little reads to start off, cool, I also like the pressure for Meg to drop reads.
are some standard questions.
and both feel like posts from someone trying to solve the game honestly, I like them a bit.
I feel pretty neutral on
the "players outgrowing metareads" point is fairly interesting and once again feels like it'd be stated by someone who's trying to solve the game and I like the way it's built upon in and . :cool:
is nice, natural pressure on Hawk.
is fine.
just feels natural and good.
The piles in make a whole lot of sense and the justification in and I also think is good.
The way she responds to Meg in and looks like town reasoning to me.
I don't have much constructive to say on this slot honestly which you've probably realized by my shallow analysis, her posts feel natural and well reasoned enough, but I'm not that confident on Prism's alignment. I feel like my brain's not big enough to actually do good analysis of her content :cry:

ProHawk [/M]
~ is fine as an intro, getting people to introduce themselves is nice! :cool:
I don't like , however. The reads on Marci and I feel easy to fabricate, the slight doubt on Prism for having voted him also does. In addition, it feels odd to have Hawk just... not mention Meg in the post at all, considering that:
-Hawk was casting a vote against Greeting, who had just launched a wagon on Meg.
-Meg was also engaging in the same "questions without follow-up" type of posts that Hawk used to justify his vote on Greeting.
I get the impression here that Hawk, if scum, just wanted to get something on board, threw together some standard reads and avoided the Meg wagon since it'd be too complex to address and passively jumped on the Greeting wagon. It's harder to see a town member make this post.
Hawk also engages in the same behavior he's supposedly voting Greeting for in .
is just bad justification for reads, I don't think "level of interaction" is a good thing to base reads off of, really?
, , and all don't have much substance.

Strangematter [//M]
~ So, and are both just the inactive discussion.
and just ask Marci a pretty basic question.
just also shades a post already shaded by others, is also just throwing a bit more stuff on the Greeting wagon. Still passive gameplay.
In and the nervousness discussion is alright I suppose, but it's also just easy content for scum to be putting out. At this point all that's been said by Stange regarding other players has been some shade on Greeting and a townread on Marci, which are pretty standard reads to have.
is a decent question, I guess.
I don't feel too strongly on this slot, but Strange's reads feel safe and standard; I'd like some reads on more players, especially Meg and myself. Strange also just hasn't done much to further discussion in my eyes, while a lot of players have done more to engage in that way. :oops:

I'll get my vote to a more appropriate spot and VOTE: MegAzumarill. :cool:
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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:43 am

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Not sure why that posted twice? Site bug I suppose, didn't do it intentionally
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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:54 am

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It happens I guess.
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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:53 am

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In post 190, Meuh wrote:Not sure why that posted twice? Site bug I suppose, didn't do it intentionally
its cuz ur readslist is so fire people need to see it twice ofc :roll:
i like ur reads, i think ur town, i might be wrong but that looks like too much effort
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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:17 am

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In post 186, StrangeMatter wrote:I'm kind of wondering, can you explain the top two columns? [My happy to vote/willing to vote piles]
Sure thing, I'll go person by person.

Happy to vote pile
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ProHawk: Didn't follow up with the content commentary and didn't seem to know how to engage with the marcistar/Meuh content. He ended up calling them both likely town but couldn't really justify it. The fear for me is that he saw two people who knew each other and that it would be suicide to get in the middle of them as scum.

MegAzumarill: I didn't really like his entrance and thought there was a slight meta difference from the games I had seen. I thought the comments about his own behavior and the policy about lurkers very easy to talk about as scum. Since then, I haven't liked his read on me.

StrangeMatter: I thought your entrance was pretty rote, and I didn't like either the vote on marcistar or the followup in 76. My fear is that that post, and this question to me, are engagement for the sake of engagement rather than genuine questions of interest. The only way to tell is over time, but for now it gets you in the happy to vote pile.

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Meuh: I explained this one a bit in 159, but she was generally null for me and I obviously disagreed with her reaction to marcistar.

AsuStuckey: As mentioned, this was by default, they just hadn't posted.
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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:19 am

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I really like the Meuh wallpost. I'm not going to go line by line and nitpick it, but it is very difficult for newer scum to put that much effort into ISOs and analysis, and I mostly agree with her conclusions.

She's in the not voting pile now, probably higher than marcistar too.
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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:22 am

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StrangeMatter, can you give more specific thoughts about that readslist I gave, or maybe what you think of Meuh's conclusions?

Take it whatever direction you want but some ideas might be whether you disagreed with my placements, thought that any were weird on my end, or think any of Meuh's conclusions (which actually track with my own almost exactly) are completely off
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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:27 am

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In post 192, marcistar wrote:
In post 190, Meuh wrote:Not sure why that posted twice? Site bug I suppose, didn't do it intentionally
its cuz ur readslist is so fire people need to see it twice ofc :roll:
i like ur reads, i think ur town, i might be wrong but that looks like too much effort
I mean idk if effort is really AI for me, during my one scum game I posted like 53 times in the ~60 hours I was alive, including a readslist (although a much less extensive one)
The general environment of the game was pretty fast during that timeframe tbf, but my point still stands
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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:30 am

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I'm actually wrong on Meuh and will have to revisit. They've done the readslist and analysis before as scum, though not nearly as indepth, likely because of the contrast in content available.

Pleasant surprise but also a bit annoying!
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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:30 am

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And you've already pointed it out, interesting
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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:34 am

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I'm honestly a little bit envious, getting ahead of differences and standardizing the format early to avoid clear tells is great work.
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