Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

Also: games are played for fun dingus. Winning is a part of that but someone also has to lose. You can have fun no matter the outcome. A win that isn’t fun doesn’t really feel as great as a loss that is, imo.

I'm unsure how sticking your vote on baltar and not moving it or pushing him or anything is "fun" for you.

It seems somewhat pointless

I kinda felt a sense of joy in sticking my rebellion in VP’s face

[Fun and Games]

Does everything I do have to have the express intent of wincon advancement? VP told me to vote Dunn if I wanted to live, I said “fuck that noise”.

Are you saying you wouldn't vote Dunn because of VP even if you thought Dunn was scum?

Are you saying you want to vote VP even if you don't think he's scum?

Are you saying you don't want to use your vote to pressure and scumhunt just because VP said something disagreeable to you?

I can understand you being upset at VP cuz he talked shit to you

but that doesn't really give you the excuse to be like "I'm not going to play the game and I'll just park my vote on VP for 20 pages to make a point"

Which btw is meaningless because it's not like 1 vote can kill someone.

[Fun and Games]

I kinda felt a sense of joy in sticking my rebellion in VP’s face

Look dude,

I'm not some kind of psychic who knows how your mind works

but for me, the best way to shut VP up would be if you used your vote to hunt down some scumbag and told VP to shove it cuz you're better at scumhunting than him.

putting a vote on him that goes nowhere just feels super pointless to me

[Fun and Games]

Things have changed for my perception of you tho
Wanna take a guess as to why?

I'm sure you will enlighten me at some point

Think about what games we’ve played together and why I’d be so critical of your approach to me.

I don't even know what you're talking about

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m willing vote Dunn now so no, VP telling me to vote there isn’t a total deal-breaker for that.
Also, I don’t feel like I’ve seen enough of VP to truly gauge his scumhunting skill but I know in past games he’s not been the best
Mafiasunny: I tried to point out how scum!Noraa was deliberately spamming tons of “content” to fuck with the signal to noise ratio in MeLo and he didn’t listen
Hidden Temple: idr what VP’s reads were like but I definitely remember my own reads being pretty fucking solid because I had 3/6 pairs sorted as town/town very early on and those were all correct. And Pooky was in that game so honestly I don’t fucking understand how he sees my approach here and thinks it’s so outlandish for me to prioritize townhunting when that’s done really fucking well for me in the past when it comes to developing accurate reads.

[Fun and Games]

Hidden Temple: idr what VP’s reads were like but I definitely remember my own reads being pretty fucking solid because I had 3/6 pairs sorted as town/town very early on and those were all correct. And Pooky was in that game so honestly I don’t fucking understand how he sees my approach here and thinks it’s so outlandish for me to prioritize townhunting when that’s done really fucking well for me in the past when it comes to developing accurate reads.

I'm comparing your play to recent games I've played with town!you,

I cited them in a list, you can add mountain dew to that list as well. I am not comparing you to hidden temple because it happened over a year ago and I don't have the best memory.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fun fact: Mtn Dew is the game sparking this interaction!

[Fun and Games]

yes

and in that game you were pretty aggressive in attacking my slot and doing things proactively on D1.

which is one of the things we're not seeing from you in this game, hence why we think you are scum.

[Fun and Games]

like look at your ISO from that game:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

and look at your ISO from this game.

It's like so different in terms of energy level, pro activeness, eagerness to play etc.

[Bingle]

Fun fact: Mtn Dew is the game sparking this interaction!

I feel like this would be a more dramatic reveal if you weren’t burying the lead.

[Datisi]

v/la until tuesday evening.

i did the "procrastinate until the last minute" thing again. also i just fucked up another game and so my mafia motivation is nonexistent right now. i'll be around to switch votes if needed and answer any urgent questions but don't expect too much from me.

[Sleepless Assassin]

V/LA today

I know it's not a crazy ton to read but I still don't think I'll get a chance to do it until tomorrow

[Almost50]

Guess who's back?
No one's back
This is just
Way too slack
It's my way
Of saying
I won't crack
I won't crack
I won't crack

I've created a monster
'Cause I now need this day to end
I just need us to move on
We need to get a flip
And I prefer Gamma over anyone else
I know this doesn't rhyme but who gives a shit?
It's not like I'm recdording it as a billboard hit
So what am I saying?
Here's what I know
My bum is on your lips ain't the way to go
I'm just improvising phrases like a pro
In fact I'm being silly
So let's keep the flow

[VP Baltar]

A50, your primary reason for wanting a Gamma wagon is the tell, right?

[VP Baltar]

@pooky - how helpful was Gamma in trying to find solves D1 in Hidden Temple. You and skitter seem to be making a meta argument here. I feel like I'm seeing the same ego driven argument style from Gamma that does pop up in his town play. It's the same attitude you all attacked me with in that game. I don't disagree that Gamma hasn't been solving a ton here, but the tenor of his posting is similarly abrasive at times...which seems like a bad approach as scum.

[VP Baltar]

Like, it begs to end up in a 1v1, which is not really where you want to be as scum.

[Fun and Games]

@pooky - how helpful was Gamma in trying to find solves D1 in Hidden Temple. You and skitter seem to be making a meta argument here. I feel like I'm seeing the same ego driven argument style from Gamma that does pop up in his town play. It's the same attitude you all attacked me with in that game. I don't disagree that Gamma hasn't been solving a ton here, but the tenor of his posting is similarly abrasive at times...which seems like a bad approach as scum.

I don't use hidden temple as comp because I feel after gamma siteflaked and then came back his town play improved significantly and I've been fairly good at spotting it in games with him hence why I use recent completed games as a comparison.

[Fun and Games]

Like, it begs to end up in a 1v1, which is not really where you want to be as scum.

I don't like this argument because he doesn't have a lot of choices here.

If he's scum, he could feel compelled to do something rather than wait to die.

If he pushes elsewhere he could end up spewing someone else town and turning that person against himself

Whereas he could hope swinging back at us gets him townread for audacity or w/e.

[VP Baltar]

@pooky - how helpful was Gamma in trying to find solves D1 in Hidden Temple. You and skitter seem to be making a meta argument here. I feel like I'm seeing the same ego driven argument style from Gamma that does pop up in his town play. It's the same attitude you all attacked me with in that game. I don't disagree that Gamma hasn't been solving a ton here, but the tenor of his posting is similarly abrasive at times...which seems like a bad approach as scum.

I don't use hidden temple as comp because I feel after gamma siteflaked and then came back his town play improved significantly and I've been fairly good at spotting it in games with him hence why I use recent completed games as a comparison.

Ok, I can't speak to that because it sounds like something that happened while I was gone for the past 9 months or so.

The attitude of feeling aggrieved from him seems familiar to me in how ive encountered him as town, but I'll look at the games you linked (probably this afternoon).

[VP Baltar]

Like, it begs to end up in a 1v1, which is not really where you want to be as scum.

I don't like this argument because he doesn't have a lot of choices here.

If he's scum, he could feel compelled to do something rather than wait to die.

If he pushes elsewhere he could end up spewing someone else town and turning that person against himself

Whereas he could hope swinging back at us gets him townread for audacity or w/e.

Not sure I buy this is less risky than getting into a 1v1 with me or pooky. I'm stubborn af when I'm town and I'm not going to let someone yeet me. Pooky seems the same.

[Almost50]

A50, your primary reason for wanting a Gamma wagon is the tell, right?

Yes.

[Fun and Games]

Fun fact: Mtn Dew is the game sparking this interaction!

based off of me or pooky

~ skitter

[VP Baltar]

Well up until now my basis in this game has felt very weak so I didn’t feel like trying to press based on that was very honest.

What do you mean your "basis in this game"?

[Bingle]

@mod

: Could you poke a Penguin? (Unless he's V/LA, in which case just leave salmon in the thread overnight to make sure he comes back.)

[VP Baltar]

And it took 20 pages for it to feel like I’d gotten the message across with my vote, because that was the entire point of it. Baltar tried to bully me into voting Dunnstral and I challenged his assumption that I’d simply take the knee. A similar thing happened with me and Aaron in Gensokyo.

This is pretty silly honestly. Do you think I even noticed or cared you had a lone vote on me? What is the message I was supposed to get from this?