Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[VP Baltar]

And it took 20 pages for it to feel like I’d gotten the message across with my vote, because that was the entire point of it.

what was the point of your vote?

Basically: a big fat middle finger to the unearned authority Baltar was trying to exert on me.

Nevermind, I guess this is a thing that's supposed to mean something!

[VP Baltar]

Ok, I checked the meta that F&G cites. I think it's reasonable why they feel Gamma is being different this game, because he is certainly scum hunting less/coasting more than the listed games.

I do think Gamma's whole vote on me to show me a lesson is a somewhat silly defense of vote parking and doing little. Spoiler: I have learned zero lessons, and felt zero shame about my play in this game. That being said, Gamma acting mad toward me and overstating his own proficiency at this game isn't super new either. So I'm not sure what to think here.

The interaction between F&G and gamma doesn't feel quite TvT to me, but I can't put my finger on why.

Bingle, what's your take on their back and forth the last few pages?

[Fun and Games]

Fwiw on my end it really isnt meta based at all, but rather on what he's been doing this game

~ skitter

[VP Baltar]

Fwiw on my end it really isnt meta based at all, but rather on what he's been doing this game

~ skitter

But comparing it to what you expect...seems like you've played with Gamma before as well, yes?

[Fun and Games]

I havent played a ton of games with gamma super recently

Most recent town-him was radio buzz, wherein he was a shining beacon of towniness, and here je isnt. But i'm not inherently scumreading him for the difference, but rather the lack of towniness here is making him significantly harder to townread if he's town, and the actual content he's put in the game is scummy imo
~ skitter

[Bingle]

Gamma looks like he's continuing to make mountains out of molehills wrt the whole you thing (He seems to have given up on the assertion that he was pushing you for things that were very important, akshually). Gamma burying the lead on his meta case also doesn't impress. "There's something about the Mountain Dew game that makes me think something about skitter and/or pooky that makes this back and forth useful, but I'm going to not actually say what it is with like 3 days in the phase" doesn't strike me as a likely town thought process.


The Pooky-dra is coming across as pretty genuine in their case by comparison. I still have reservations about skitt, but none of them have to do with this interaction at all. In fact, I think pooky is coming across as pretty solidly town here.

[VP Baltar]

Gamma burying the lead on his meta case also doesn't impress. "There's something about the Mountain Dew game that makes me think something about skitter and/or pooky that makes this back and forth useful, but I'm going to not actually say what it is with like 3 days in the phase" doesn't strike me as a likely town thought process.

This is a fair point Gamma. Why are you playing hide the ball here?

[Fun and Games]

Oh tbf there was mountain dew as well but i (we) were scum and i wasnt really trying to read him and honestly dont have such a great impression of what he was doing that game

Also trying to figure out if his issue r.e. mountain dew is me or pooky

~ skitter

[Bingle]

An update on the A50 read in case I don't get to it before night and die: A50 is still a townread. At this point, if I die he should not be considered untouchable locktown.

Frustratingly, making me argue his case for him is something town him would do here, but there have been a couple interactions where I expected him to act a certain way but he didn't that are casting doubts on his alignment. It's possible that he's coasting on an early Bingle misread and is just letting me make an ass out of myself defending him.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well up until now my basis in this game has felt very weak so I didn’t feel like trying to press based on that was very honest.

What do you mean your "basis in this game"?

How much I’ve bought into my reads here. Aside from select few TRs, my reads are not strong here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma burying the lead on his meta case also doesn't impress. "There's something about the Mountain Dew game that makes me think something about skitter and/or pooky that makes this back and forth useful, but I'm going to not actually say what it is with like 3 days in the phase" doesn't strike me as a likely town thought process.

This is a fair point Gamma. Why are you playing hide the ball here?

Because they are acting like me having a sudden reconsideration is something wild when it’s absolutely not. So I want them to think about WHY I would be so critical of Pooky’s approach to me (I’ll at least give that much info).

[Fun and Games]

I really have no idea wtf u r talking about dude

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think it’s really that secret that my views on a game can change wildly with the proper impetus. Pooky at least should be keenly aware of it.

[DArby]

There’s not that much time left. We need to start consolidating a wagon.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fiiiiine I'll say what I mean. I read the Mtn Dew scum PT and saw that pooky wrote out an elim order that had me as the day 1 miselim. So obviously he considers me an easy target. And the way he's been trying to deflect pressure off of anyone that isn't me seems to suggest he's trying to do the same shit again. I may be a slow learner but I do learn.
VOTE: Fun and Games
I think it's pretty damn evident F&G are trying to miselim me here.

[Something_Smart]

VC 1.11

Dunnstral (3)- DArby, Datisi, VP Baltar
DArby (3)- Sleepless Assassin, PenguinPower, Fun and Games
Fun and Games (3)- SirCakez, Enchant, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2)- Almost50, Bingle
Not_Mafia (1)- Not_Mafia

Not voting (1)- Dunnstral

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-11-23 23:00:00)

Mod notes: sorry, had a busy weekend; prodding PenguinPower now. Reminder that deadline will freeze at 24 hours if there are pending replacements.

[Fun and Games]

There’s not that much time left. We need to start consolidating a wagon.

- the day is going to be extended with 2 empty slots
- we should be consolidating on you or gamma, yes

~ skitter

[DArby]

What happened to Dunn?

[Fun and Games]

Fiiiiine I'll say what I mean. I read the Mtn Dew scum PT and saw that pooky wrote out an elim order that had me as the day 1 miselim. So obviously he considers me an easy target. And the way he's been trying to deflect pressure off of anyone that isn't me seems to suggest he's trying to do the same shit again. I may be a slow learner but I do learn.
VOTE: Fun and Games
I think it's pretty damn evident F&G are trying to miselim me here.

- cant speak for pooky but i think you're being genuinely scummy here
- not sure why u think we're trying to misflip you vs genuninely scumreading you
- related: do you think we ought to be townreading you here?

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Getting replaced, why the slot is getting wagoned now is beyond me

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Then if it’s meta, I can’t argue for or against. For now I’ll trust it.

VOTE: Dunn

I don’t think 3 votes is a speed run, but I’m fine to at least hear the replacement out. I’d be a hypocrite otherwise.

>.>
Why are you even voting dunn?

~skitter

[Gamma Emerald]

Fiiiiine I'll say what I mean. I read the Mtn Dew scum PT and saw that pooky wrote out an elim order that had me as the day 1 miselim. So obviously he considers me an easy target. And the way he's been trying to deflect pressure off of anyone that isn't me seems to suggest he's trying to do the same shit again. I may be a slow learner but I do learn.
VOTE: Fun and Games
I think it's pretty damn evident F&G are trying to miselim me here.

- cant speak for pooky but i think you're being genuinely scummy here
- not sure why u think we're trying to misflip you vs genuninely scumreading you
- related: do you think we ought to be townreading you here?

~ skitter

-I think you're crazy to think I would play this sort of game as scum
-As I said, it's the fact you're deflecting attempts to wagon others and specifically steering it towards me
-At this point? Yes! Regardless of whether I'm right or wrong, me trying to push you like this should be obviously town.

[Fun and Games]

- why not?
- that doesnt answer the question: if i'm scumreading you, i'd be doing exactly that, no? I will also note we're not even voting you ...
- why is it obviously town?

~ skitter

[DArby]

I have a town read on both Datisi and VP. I want to apply pressure. Having pressure as a replacement should be a good reaction test.

I still would want to hear them out.

[Gamma Emerald]

because my scum game is basically always deliberate, and I'm not being that way imo.
There's certain posts from y'all that ping me that way
because why wouldn't I just go along with one of the other wagons here? I had previously expressed you guys were town, do y'all seriously think scum!me flips on a TR, and then does so later after doing it the first time didn't turn out so well?