In post 7305, Gammagooey wrote:petapan wrote:man i'm actually fucking mad now that you chose to pull that card
you saw the shit i got put through this game and you're calling me a douchebag for how
I
play
do you have any idea how poorly that comes across?
Maybe you can read what I said back post-game, still probably being angry, and think about the fact that I meant it. It probably is an overreaction to that post in particular, but I do fucking mean it.
This is not me being angry at you for calling me scum, this is the equivalent of me at a bar pulling you aside and asking you why you're acting this way to everyone there.
To be diplomatic, I'll say that I also would prefer not to play with Harley Quinn again. But you're treating people like mafia/scum first instead of showing some damn empathy and trying to understand where other players are coming from as PEOPLE, not as their alignment, and it's fucking stupid.
I would rather play a 50 page game that was light and jokey and fun in but lost than deal with a game that was 250/300+ pages and win. Maybe you've noticed, but today has largely stopped being fun for me. I would have been super happy to talk to you or Gemerald or even Taly in the Heaven PT about who ya'll were suspecting then and take that into account when I got to do *ruler stuff*, but instead it was 3 pages long with me being the only person who actually talked about who potential scum in the PT could be, and today has been every single player in the game dismissing my strongest read because they're probably going to die in the event already. And now there's what, a dozen pages or so of me feeling ignored and generally shat on for my choice after the fact instead.
I can deal with that, but let me tell you, it's not fun. I'm obv not thrilled about Taly/you thinking I'm scum, but it's a mafia game, if you can't deal with that you shouldn't play mafia.
I've read over your quotewall posts peta, and I've responded to the pieces I thought I could add meaningingfully to. You've posted I think about or over TWO HUNDRED times since the start of this event with absolute fucking walls of quotes that I've already read through earlier in the game. I do not want to spend hours of my life that could be spent actually enjoying myself going through them further and dissecting the individual points where I think you're being reasonable and the other points I don't agree with and have no/little change in either the game-state or in my opinions on the remaining players. If you have/had concise parts that you wanted my comments in particular on then I can do that, as I've said to The Worst already. If not, then say whatever you want people to read, let the worst catch up and share any opinions he wants to air, and then let's move on. I offered to replace into this game to try to make the game better and enjoy the events - both of those goals are largely not happening at this point, I'm not going to participate in the game to a level anywhere close to yours when it's not fun to play in.
And finally, MAYBE you've also noticed that I've tried to keep everything light and tried to be diplomatic with people even when I think they're scum and/or when they're scumreading me. I don't want to deal with other people's emotional outbursts, I don't particularly like getting overly emotional about the game myself. All I fucking want is an game where people can enjoy talking to each other and have fun and consider each others opinions EVEN if they think the other person is scum, and you've been the cause of three replacements so far. (maybe like...2.2 if we factor in how likely HQ was going to replace out in that situation even with another randomized playerlist) Don't call people a "fucking slimeball" if you're going to get legitimately angry when someone says you're acting like a douchebag. I'm tired of the game, I'm tired of you expecting me to be as invested in it as much as you given the game-state, and I'm tired of your behavior this game making it less fun for multiple people. Just treat people better in future games, and if/when you do wind up elim'ing me or the game ends I'd rather you consider why I felt this way instead of just complaining about my shitty play.
Okay, great. Let's start things off. You flipped out and insulted me over a post where I made a purely symbolic change to my vote that affected nothing, and accused this of somehow being a gesture of disrespect to you because I expressed disagreement with the townie you got killed. That's an absurdly disproportionate response to a completely inoffensive post. That's offense number one for you.
Now, there were some posts I made where I probably was overly aggressive. But you chose to act wounded over one that meant nothing. Now, misunderstandings in games happen sometimes. Intentions aren't always clear through text. But I explained the vote was purely an expression of disagreement that I thought Taly would flip town (which I was correct on) and you chose to ignore this and escalate further. That's offense number two: ignoring my explanation of my vote to attack me and make claims of your own victimhood. This is where I lose patience, because you are clearly not interested in any sort of good faith communication here.
I do not wish to re-re-litigate the Harley Quinn Saga here. I was entirely diplomatic in my treatment of her. I can quote my posts after her replace in and demonstrate that I was entirely diplomatic toward her. I got met with a torrent of abuse in response to this.
What Harley attempted to do was exploit people's sympathies and desire to treat other players as humans to gain an ingame advantage. You are doing the same as her, just written more artfully. You trying to make me out to have been inconsiderate toward her because I did not allow her abuse to affect my ingame decisionmaking. It is utterly despicable. That's offense number three, trying to distort that incident and turn it against me.
What I see here in your complaints about the game not being fun for you is this: "Fuck you for playing the game in a way I don't like. Fuck you for caring more than me. Fuck you for trying. Fuck you for making me have to defend myself." I do not demand that everyone keep up with my pace or reread the game, that is why I was dumping quotes in the game, because I thought they were game relevant information. If you find it difficult to keep up with that is understandable. But I do not demand everyone engage with or respond to everything. I am a player in this game and I have every right to post what I feel is relevant to solving the game
What an incredibly myopic, selfish perspective that is to have on games. That by posting more and actually trying to analyze last phase rather than sitting on my ass and waiting for obvious town to die, I am making the game unfun
for you
because I was actually playing it. What a childish thing to say. I care about this game. I have put hours of my life into working on it and trying to solve the mystery,
because I find this fun
. And you come in and slap me across the face by whining and saying that me trying is That's offense number three: prioritizing your own desire for how the game should be played over everyone else's, and shitting on my effort in a phase where you did absolutely nothing but tunnel obvious town and refused to consider other possibilities. To have the audacity to accuse me of making the game unfun after how you have acted takes a lot of nerve.
I am not demanding you participate in the game at my level, but you refused to participate in any meaningful way last phase, and that is essentially inexcusable for a town aligned player (although I don't believe that you are anymore). But other players in this game have been able to meet me on at least some terms. You have attacked me for daring to show passion and enthusiasm at all.
Maybe if you did not want to deal with outbursts, you shouldn't have escalated against me by attacking me for a meaningless vote. I was purely focused on trying to analyze the game, and you chose to personally attack me. That's offense number five. You initiated this aggression and chose to act like I'm the bully for responding to you.
To be frank, I no longer care about people getting replaced out in response to me. I was over the line with Saber and I am fully cognizant of that and tried to dial back my behavior as a result. But that is irrelevant, becausee as shown, people will still cry and whine and bitch and accuse me of being unfair because they want to escape from being accused. It doesn't matter. (To be clear, the entire engagement with Gamma Emerald was entirely personal rather than game related, and I remind you again that he initiated it.
Of course, this is the conundrum, as happened With Harley: you are complaining that I'm making the game unfun, that I'm not treating other players as people.
But this is still a game where every word has to be viewed through the lens of whether the person saying it is trying to manipulate me. And this looks a hell of a lot like you trying to guilt trip me. That is how I am choosing to view it. Because I don't want to believe you're this despicable a person. I have been subjected to a lot of attacks this game
because I was correctly scumreading someone
. And it has really done a number on me, so to try to use that
as a cudgel against me
is inexcusable.
To be clear:
I think acting wounded and playing the victim, as Saber did, is valid.
Insulting me and saying I should quit mafia, as Harley did, is valid.
Harley claiming that me scumreading her was harming her mental health is out of bound is inexcusable.
What you are doing right now, although detestable, is valid. I just have to evaluate whether your words have a hidden motive behind them.
I hope, for your sake, that this is a tactic. Maybe there's some real feeling but you're playing up the offense in an attempt to get me to back down.
But regardless, I still
hate
you for it.
