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[NorwegianboyEE]

I think i'd rather do either of A50/Holiday today.
Also i think it was April that said "that would only work if me and A50 was partnered or something" and that was in fact exactly what i've been considering up to now. So i'd rather just pressure April if A50 did turn out to be mafioso.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also competing wagons are Gucci

[MegAzumarill]

Tracer.Bullet Replaces Gamma Emerald

Deadline:(expired on 2021-11-23 21:35:34)

[MegAzumarill]

Vote Count 1.0.11


Holiday (5) April Ludgate, Almost50, Dwlee99, Enchant, T3 [E-2]
T3 (2) Something_Smart, Tracer.Bullet
April Ludgate (2) Holiday, Andante
Enchant (2) osuka, geraintm
Not Voting (2) Hella Jeff, NorwegianboyEE

Deadline:(expired on 2021-11-23 21:35:34)

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Tracer.Bullet Replaces Gamma Emerald

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[Dwlee99]

give me a reason

cause I can just come back at you and go "you should vote A50"

I think he is scum

[Tracer.Bullet]

[Tracer.Bullet]

VOTE: April Ludgate

[Enchant]

I believe mafia would push with reason "lol it's panicking scum" not "Well it possible town but let's still elim without forcing claims."

[NorwegianboyEE]

How did we lose Gamma and end up with this.

[Hella Jeff]

gonna miss gamma
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Why is Holiday scummy? They were semi active during portions of the game,

but they were also being the type of player that wasn't really saying anything unpopular or unfavorable, and when people tried to think of any actual things Holiday had said, nobody was able to remember, which naturally means they were off of people's radars.

bolded feels like case fluff, doesn't exactly seem like a scumtell and i guess you know that with the use of "the type of player that"?
regardless it doesn't feel applicable since when you came across someone who actually had holiday on their radar

because

of their takes and you just said:

oo, the fightback against Holiday makes me feel good about my read.

makes me feel like through your lens, they were damned regardless of how many people liked or remembered what they were saying, which doesn't feel right when it's the bulk of the post

Holiday (5) April Ludgate,

Almost50

, Dwlee99,

Enchant

, T3 [E-2]

but ill note that in this wagon there's exactly 2 people that i townread. super confident in a50, azaa/enchant is up there also even though enchant hasn't done any cool tricks for us
in theory there should be like ZERO doubt that this flips red? because i dont townread either of the PR claimers but both of them could, at face value be telling the truth. esp knowing that one likely solves itself tonight
so that begs the question that from my perspective, who are the scum in this wagon?
(fuck if i know, all of that talk about the flimsiness of d1 reads has me hurting)

[Tracer.Bullet]

How did we lose Gamma and end up with this.

[Hella Jeff]

aprilwagon has only like, townreads
i'm feeling some kinda way right now
to the point where i feel like blindly sheeping
but the consequences of my actions......
i don't feel like i've done enough work to be part of aprilwagon right now
why did something interesting have to happen so close to deadline

[Dwlee99]

Jeff can you vote holiday? Thanks

[April Ludgate]

Scum have to push me here because I become essentially conf town after Holiday flips.

[April Ludgate]

It's pretty clearly Holiday and Gamma slot.

[April Ludgate]

@Hella Jeff - idc bout your read on me, but how do you see Dwlee and not town read them? The miller claim is not coming from scumDwlee.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum have to push me here because I become essentially conf town after Holiday flips.

Are you the best slot to push as an alternative to Holiday?

[April Ludgate]

Hella Jeff and Andante are the manipulated ones being banked on.

[April Ludgate]

Scum have to push me here because I become essentially conf town after Holiday flips.

Are you the best slot to push as an alternative to Holiday?

Sure, i dont mind being pushed. i wouldn't say im the best slot, but it makes sense because im the one pushing Holiday, so scum have to take action to fight back.

[April Ludgate]

At the end of the day, they're pushing me because I'm pushing Holiday, and i think that's obvious, I am pushing Holiday because I think they are scum.

Regardless of your paranoia, Norwegian, you can feel it deep down that I'm town, I can sense the struggle of not wanting to let me get away as scum, but you definitely sense that I'm town. Which is good for me to pickup, because it's inherently townie of you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But from my POV it seems like there would be ample other room to try anyone else if the goal was to simply redirect from Holiday?

[Hella Jeff]

@Hella Jeff - idc bout your read on me, but how do you see Dwlee and not town read them? The miller claim is not coming from scumDwlee.

it is really one of those things that i should take at face value?
genuine question

[April Ludgate]

Holiday, Gamma slot, Hella Jeff is a solve, but Idk, I think Hella Jeff's town in my gut, but if I didn't, I'd have them there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or is limbait not existing in this game.

[April Ludgate]

But from my POV it seems like there would be ample other room to try anyone else if the goal was to simply redirect from Holiday?

Why? They have to weaken me because Im dead set on killing Holiday. If they try to push elsewhere, it weakens them because I'm pushing them, and they have to split the difference between relieving pressure off them and onto someone else.

By creating a 1v1, it forces people to take sides, and it's more likely people think I'm scum manipulating the game, but frankly, you have to absolutely believe me to be hardcore Open Wolfing if I were scum, which fine, I'm bold enough to Open Wolf in certain playerlists, but those are generally ones that are favorable towards me.

Not only do I have multiple people this game that could call me out, the people who don't know me as well are the types of players to not understand and push me in that regard.