Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[SirCakez]

it feels like you were trying to take advantage of me being absent to swing a new wagon away from today's common suspects

[Datisi]

i don't understand how you see me naked voting someone who everyone had an either null or townread on, without any explanation and without any good reasons, and somehow come to the conclusion it's an attempt of taking advantage of your absense and saving someone else instead of like, trying to sort?

like, i'm annoyed because what i'm doing right now (i.e. attacking ACTUAL lhf) is way closer to that description and way closer to what i would probably do

but no, you're ascribing that to my lolvote on you really

[Datisi]

it feels kinda stupid to be arguing "no i'm not scum for voting you i'm actually scum for my current vote" but my god i don't get that train of thought at all

[Dwlee99]

Can someone point me to the post/game state this whole fight is about

[Datisi]

Spoiler: the og vote and my explanation for it

VOTE: sircakez

i don't get why you're vanity-voting cakez *now* when you're scumreading ico, the slot is the leading wagon and i'm p confident that we're not ending on cakez today
like the part htat's looking aligned to me is that you have a lot of *words* saying you're suspicious of ico/darby but aren't *doing* much abt it

because my brain doesn't work like "i scumread person, there is wagon on them, let's yeet them"

i currently think ico is scum, sure. *but* i'm not extremely confident in that read, and there are a lot of slots that i have a very weak read on. which makes it difficult for me to build a good mental image of this game as a whole. and if we just went and yeeted the slot immediately, it wouldn't provide good foundation for me for later days, regardless of the colour of the flip. so i want to get reads elsewhere.

i don't have much to offer you on why this isn't how i play around my partners other than self meta of never having played around my partners ever. i know how it looks to be scumreading one person but voting elsewhere. and i know that cakez is again, much higher in the collective reads than ico, and that i currently don't have that much towncred to push things with. especially not with a push that's a naked vote + "lol idk i just want other reads ahaha".

like, i'm not too interested in arguing this with you because i know you're just gonna see my behaviour as aligned despite this being the polar opposite of my scumplay and having already screwed up on whether i was aligned/disaligned with ico in jk9++. you should probably be more worried if i'm scum trying to softdefend town!ico and making us seem aligned so that nobody takes me seriously.

[Almost50]

i don't understand how you see me naked

X-Ray glasses, my friend.

[Gamma Emerald]

V/LA until the 29th

Have a chance to get my schoolwork back in order a bit, but there’s a lot I need to work on so I can’t spend a lot of time on mafia.

[Almost50]

I know I've heard the term before, but can someone remind me what "schoolwork" was??

[SirCakez]

i don't understand how you see me naked voting someone who everyone had an either null or townread on, without any explanation and without any good reasons, and somehow come to the conclusion it's an attempt of taking advantage of your absense and saving someone else instead of like, trying to sort?

like, i'm annoyed because what i'm doing right now (i.e. attacking ACTUAL lhf) is way closer to that description and way closer to what i would probably do

but no, you're ascribing that to my lolvote on you really

I don't understand how you voting me accomplishes sorting

[Bingle]

I'm full of whimsy

That's a weird way to spell whiskey.

[Enchant]

I know I've heard the term before, but can someone remind me what "schoolwork" was??

It's when you get exp not by killing monsters.

[Bingle]

good point

No it isn't.

Like how is it even reasonable for you to think that I think I have an exact team solve on day 1 with 0 flips?

I mean… there have been like 4 different cases of people saying it’s scummy that someone doesn’t have a viable team this game and I’ve thought it was ridiculous every single time.

[Bingle]

I know I've heard the term before, but can someone remind me what "schoolwork" was??

I think it's one of those euphemistic job titles, like how custodial engineer means janitor or politician means garbage or meteorologist means someone with a map and a bunch of clingy weather stickers and a propensity for lying.

[Gamma Emerald]

>:/

[Gamma Emerald]

This is not a laughing matter.

[Sleepless Assassin]

Not sure what you mean by lack of anyone interested.

I’ve been actively campaigning for a gamma elimination for a literal week. There are two votes on gamma. Prior to that there were 4 votes: you who were voting there as a compromise and pp who was technically a player in this game I guess.

Maybe im wrong but it's felt like there's been a lot of support for Gamma, Dunn, and Darby and the struggle is just getting people to all agree at the same time which one to vote . I don't feel like generally speaking there's more resistance than support on any of those three .

[Quote="Sircakez]
I don't think either of these reads hold up when you consider how good these players are as scum[/quote]

This is a conversation for later in the game but I hear you.

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For what it's worth I took Datisis Sircakez vote as looking for Sircakez reaction in order to strengthen a read. Personally, I thought he made it too clear that his vote was a reaction test to get enough out of it but maybe he's gaining something from this late reaction anyway? But the only way I can see anyone scumreading Datisi for it is if they think he's just posturing.

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Bingle why do you still seem to think I want Pooky to have the whole game solved on Day 1? I clarified a few pages ago that I didn't mean that as a whole team solve kind of thing, just that his scum reads felt lazy.

[DArby]

What exactly was the new information again that made you scumnread Gamma? When you changed your vote, it seemed more about getting off of Dunn than on Gamma.

I’m not doing a full recap but Gamma is getting too heated for a position she cannot defend and one where everything she’s posted in arguing has been easily shot down.

[Fun and Games]

Both gamma and darby have called the other a tr earlier and now both are voting (or are wiling to vote) the other

~ skitter

I have done the unforgivable: I have changed my opinion when presented with new information.

Lol, I jest. Is there anything else you find off?

i mean do you want to walk me through how you went from 'top tr' to 'voting him'

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

Dwlee99 replaces Not_Mafia!

oh hello!

[Fun and Games]

Skitter just seems rational and seems to be saying a lot that I can follow and agree with.

fwiw you're townreading my half too easily

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

I find F&G to be scummy independently

hi, plz elaborate

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

But Pookys scum reads are the three being wagoned. It feels too easy. Like not one of gamma/darby/Dunn is town and there's no scum outside of that?

good point

- it's not a team read, those are just are biggest suspects
- i believe we were scumreading them before their wagons iirc

~ skitter

[DArby]

Both gamma and darby have called the other a tr earlier and now both are voting (or are wiling to vote) the other

~ skitter

I have done the unforgivable: I have changed my opinion when presented with new information.

Lol, I jest. Is there anything else you find off?

i mean do you want to walk me through how you went from 'top tr' to 'voting him'

~ skitter

I guess I am doing a full recap anyway. Give me a bit of time to get out my laptop.

[Fun and Games]

F&G's interactions with Gamma feel like such bad faith like they are trying so hard to make Gamma look bad

no, imo:
- gamma doesn't have real reads, and his poe/pushes are changing in a way that doesn't look to me like he's re-evaluating/thinking about the game
- related, there's very little follow-through in his posts, it's hard to follow his thought process from vote a -> vote b, or how his reads change
- his push on us is nonsense imo

i don't think we're arguing in bad faith, and we're not *trying* to make gamma look gbad so much as explaining why we scumread him and refuting his scumread on us

pedit kk sure

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

I don't think Gamma's responses were that bad and I'd expect them to be doubling down as town here

i mean now he's backing down so ...
and his responses were p bad

~ skitter