Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Fun and Games]

it feels like you were trying to take advantage of me being absent to swing a new wagon away from today's common suspects

i mean unless all 3 common suspects are scum why would he be trying to do that / why can't he push the town in the common suspects if he's scum

i'm not even sure he's revitalizing your wagon either

~ skitter

[Fun and Games]

V/LA until the 29th

Have a chance to get my schoolwork back in order a bit, but there’s a lot I need to work on so I can’t spend a lot of time on mafia.

hope this goes well!

~ skitter

[DArby]

Detective D'Arby's Delicious Deduction

This will be a real quick one, but in 1565, we see the collection of the basis of F/G's argument that spiraled into my actual read. However, Gamma's response in 1567 is dismissive.

Well up until now my basis in this game has felt very weak so I didn’t feel like trying to press based on that was very honest.

He then goes forward in 1568 and 1569 to ignore the argument presented entirely to discredit F/G. Regardless of how you read the situation, an argument was made with meta that was presented and yet it was not acknowledged or refuted. That reads as a bad-faith argument. I actually disagree that F/G was being too rough with Gamma as 1575 is a legit question. Especially when Gamma uses intimidating words such as "crock of shit" in 1577. This alone does not make me sr Gamma. Looking at his VP vote, it would otherwise come across as being a typical emotional player, which is consistent in her gameplay so far.

1608 F/G breaks down the differences between game energy between Gamma now and then. Gamma than responds with 1639 saying the reason she's been cold to F/G was Pooky had Gamma as the d1 miselim in hidden temple. Which, in it's own right puts context to the situation, but at the same time, the odds that a) this is the same alignment set up and b) the exact same play is really small. I'd think Gamma as an expirence player would know that. It also stikes me odd that Gamma is making this argument

now

after baiting posts like 1599 and 1635. Why would Gamma bread crumb this revelation AFTER scumreading them in 1595? Realistically, only Pooky would potentially get what Gamma is referring to. I bring this up because I feel that this was an attempt at an intimidation tactic. 1654 claims that this was because Gamma didn't know how F/G would treat him, yet the actual argument that happened instead didn't do anything to help Gamma, and I don't see how putting relevant information as to why you are being uncooperative is helpful to the town.

And what really gets me is that Gamma is holding onto this while asking

what the hell happened in mtn dew that derailed the initially elim order for y'all

Pooky responds with 1694 pointing out that if Gamma has the research skills to remeber the plan that Pooky made, why do they not have that same energy in understanding why it didn't apparently happen. 1701 Gamma then ignores all of that and says F/G is trying to make her sound crazy. I'd imagine a good faith town would at least acknowledge 1694. Pooky then doubles down with the next logical conclusion of 1708 showing how Gamma has no evidence.

Like, 1717 is so wild to read. I don't like it when people use harsh words with me either, but I don't think F/G did? This was an incredibly emotional argument on Gamma's side where he scumread someone who made valid points that he couldn't counter. Gamma's reactions to the meta being presented doesn't seem pro-town and I don't trust it.

[Sleepless Assassin]

What exactly was the new information again that made you scumnread Gamma? When you changed your vote, it seemed more about getting off of Dunn than on Gamma.

I’m not doing a full recap but Gamma is getting too heated for a position she cannot defend and one where everything she’s posted in arguing has been easily shot down.

Maybe its the vagueness but I'm having trouble following this. I'll read the big post in a sec though.

- i believe we were scumreading them before their wagons iirc

I'll have to check this because it would make me feel better if that's the case.

_________

Actually let me come back to Darbys big post later when I'm only doing this and not multitasking

[Something_Smart]

Toogeloo replaces Dunnstral!

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
I’m ngl I’m bored as shit with this game but also don’t wanna exacerbate the current revolving door issue and I’m already on the table so why not just accept death
This is probably why I find long D1s insufferable because I think the puzzle box approach to mafia is how I best function and that requires flips.
Cakez/enchant/VP/A50/Penguin slot are like, all town, with help from PRs this game should be ez money

[Enchant]

Oh god, not again.

[Enchant]

Why you doing this, you naturally have 5 ppls as townreads+yourself, it's already 6 townies, you basically have to push someone else why selfvote

[Datisi]

i don't understand how you see me naked voting someone who everyone had an either null or townread on, without any explanation and without any good reasons, and somehow come to the conclusion it's an attempt of taking advantage of your absense and saving someone else instead of like, trying to sort?

like, i'm annoyed because what i'm doing right now (i.e. attacking ACTUAL lhf) is way closer to that description and way closer to what i would probably do

but no, you're ascribing that to my lolvote on you really

I don't understand how you voting me accomplishes sorting

it doesn't. it symbolizes where my head is at and what i want to actually be focusing on. the idea was that you would return in a timely manner and that i would actually be able to sort your new posts, but then you kinda didn't do that and i started feeling stupid holding my vote on an obviously empty slot when the deadline is running thin, so

also, deflection noted. *how* does me voting you there and basically saying nothing about your slot to then give up voting you actually give me any sorta benefit or successfully rally people into voting you?

For what it's worth I took Datisis Sircakez vote as looking for Sircakez reaction in order to strengthen a read. Personally, I thought he made it too clear that his vote was a reaction test to get enough out of it but maybe he's gaining something from this late reaction anyway? But the only way I can see anyone scumreading Datisi for it is if they think he's just posturing.

wrong, i don't do reaction tests unless i'm very familiar with the person i'm trying to get a reaction from (because i'm shite at standard reaction tests)

for the record, i do wanna say me nakedvoting someone lurky and going "haha i wanna sort there" is not outside of my scumgame. if i thought it would make me look like i'm reconsidering or that it would lead onto me looking like i'm organically acquiring reads, i would do it. but i take issue with "datisi is scum for vote on cakez because datisi was trying to shitpush a lurky slot before he came back" because that's obviously untrue, to the point it sounds bad faith.

[Datisi]

also fun facts, i managed to get some 12 hours of sleep last night, so i feel rested enough to actually read the clusterfuck that is this game. my motivation is still greatly lacking though, but i'll be able to force myself to sit down later and see what is up here.

[Dwlee99]

that said, hi dwlee glad to see you, i hope you are town

Right back at you, but if you're town I'll probably figure it out within 48 hours

24 or nothing

Hi it is morning I have three hours of sleep but Datisi is town

Not for this post but I did it within 24 hours

[Sleepless Assassin]

Darby, meh, I think I can understand that actually. I don't really agree but that shows a thought process I can follow.

Datisi, that's kind of exactly what I meant by reaction test though where you say you wanted to see his new posts after the vote. And the part about you'd do it as scum to look like organically acquiring reads is what inwas getting at with posturing. I feel like we're just using different terms to say the same thing . Oh and I'm jealous of your sleep. I have 8 hours in the last two nights combined which is sadly an improvement over the past couple of weeks.

[Datisi]

i mean, i take a reaction test to mean "look at how cakez reacted to my nakedvote, them read him off that reaction"

and my plan was "vote cakez, interrogate him about different things in the game, read his answers"

ironically enough i did get a read on him by his reaction to my vote so what the fuck is mafia anymore lmfao

[VP Baltar]

Let's yeet Gamma now so we can keep D1 under 100 pages.

[Almost50]

Toogeloo replaces Dunnstral!

Now that's what I call a GOOD replacement.

[Gamma Emerald]

Let's yeet Gamma now so we can keep D1 under 100 pages.

That all you have to say?

[Almost50]

@Gamma: Who are the scum candidates? because if SC is a strong TR of yours (and assuming you're correct) I might as well declare EVERYONE a TR here and crawl back under my rock.

P.S. I don't actually mean "everyone". I had a SR on Dunn before the replacement. I also don't have SA as a strong TR. I dunno about Dwlee yet, and I'm not sure about Enchant either. But like.. you have Enchant & SC as string TRs, so it it literally SA+Dwlee+Toog here or am I hard TRing scum in VP/Bingle/F&G/D'Arby/Datisi?

[VP Baltar]

Let's yeet Gamma now so we can keep D1 under 100 pages.

That all you have to say?

Yes. The game needs to move forward, and your flip has enough support/has generated enough conversation to be informative. You seem to want out of the game, so there's little downside here.

[Bingle]

Toogeloo replaces Dunnstral!

I’m conflicted. On one hand this is awesome because toog. On the other hand the game is now confirmed bastard because toog always stops multiple scum kills and there’s only supposed to be one per night in this setup.

[Toogeloo]

I'm not going to bastardize the game, sadly, but I

am

confirmed town by virtue of just being in the game.

I plan on coasting for a bit until I am up to speed.

[Bingle]

Nope. You’re definitely a global doctor. Deal with it.

[Sleepless Assassin]

I'm not going to bastardize the game, sadly, but I

am

confirmed town by virtue of just being in the game.

I plan on coasting for a bit until I am up to speed.

See? I told you all this slot was town

[Almost50]

toog always stops multiple scum kills

Amen to that

[Almost50]

I am confirmed town by virtue of just being in the game.

GDI. No one's gonna feel this like I do, and we're both gonna get mislim'ed for it

[Almost50]

I'm not going to bastardize the game, sadly, but I

am

confirmed town by virtue of just being in the game.

I plan on coasting for a bit until I am up to speed.

See? I told you all this slot was town

Fine. I now am a believer. Please tell us WHO is Scum. Name just ONE.