Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Datisi]

Okay, yeah A50 is lock town.

please say sike

Nope. Town monkey. We flip me before never flipping him if it comes down to it. Sorry.

pls explain

[VP Baltar]

lmao I SR the 3 top wagons, this is funny

You're probably scum based on your own logic! Better check that role PM

[VP Baltar]

I'm 10 pages in. I want to vote skitooky from what I've seen. It's Thanksgiving weekend, I'll probably be fully caught up by the end of it.

Someone tell me bullet points to be mindful of.

I’ll do a thread tl;dr when I’m not mobile, but by far the most important thing is that VP likes IPAs and we need to teach him about beer that doesn’t taste like sweaty socks.

I live in FAHKIN OREGON and this one is lecturing me about beer

[Andante]

Halfway through. A50 and Enchant are town so far.

I kinda wanna vote somewhere that isn't VP but I also fucking hate him trying to act like I owe him anything
It's that age-old thing of "you respect me

as an authority

and I'll respect you

as a person

" which I do not support or abide in any form

Gamma is on the fence but I townread her for this.

Like to me, why would you go "A50 and Enchant are town, I'm pretty certain" then in your NEXT post "I'm on the fence but will TR Gamma for this" like, it feels like you're trying to convince others that Gamma is town, yes you just replaced in at this point, but if you flipped scum, you know your team, so it feels like, knowing Gamma is your partner, you're like "yeah look, see, town!" Cause if you actually TRed A50 and Enchant, why not quote towny stuff from them??

[Almost50]

A50, this is a 3 goon setup.

Now I'm not sure if I should crawl under a rock or just keep hitting my head against it.

[Andante]

lmao I SR the 3 top wagons, this is funny

You're probably scum based on your own logic! Better check that role PM

You're just mad cause I just showed up and have your whole team already lol

[Bingle]

pls explain

@Gamma: reading A50 is an art form. I could potentially write pages about how I go about doing so. When I have a lockdown on him (which I’m not quite at, but we’re getting close) you’d be better served trying to eliminate me than him, such is my accuracy. I cannot always lock town town him or figure out scum him, but when I’m sure you can take it to the bank.

Tl;dr I know him well enough to be able to distinguish the difference between his genuine tinfoils and his fake ones, as well as read into the intent of his 5D chess gambles. There is a slight chance he’s trying to manipulate me specifically here, but doing so this early when it’s not at all guaranteed I actually catch scum him is asking for trouble.

As far as what he’s actually doing? He’s dropping specific tells that make him look like he’s a pr in a way that is likely to draw pr and scum attention. When confronted with tacit protection from me he’s ducking the thread in a way that would make most people reconsider their townread on him, but which is further likely to draw unwanted from scum attention from PRs. He explicitly does not care about that, and that’s plus town specifically in his case. Note: I don’t think this makes him a PR, necessarily, as A50 loves playing the wifom game with intentionally dropped or tells, and with me in the game he expects me to take his wifom game and make it explicit to further thicken the smokescreen he’s putting in front of the other town prs.

Also, his gotcha moment on you followed by sitting back and looking to see what happened is pretty bog standard for a town A50 looking to leverage one solid read into more solid reads.

VP on the other hand has just been playing a very solid game. I can see his reasoning in most cases, and everything he does pings as trying to drive forward a game state with high readability. He’s not afraid of stepping on toes, making unpopular stances, or being seen as going after lhf. His one weird thought moment was accusing you of being less engaging with the thread, but he didn’t do so in a way that put any pressure on you while he did try to pressure Dunn with it and your response to it pretty much confirmed to me it wasn’t him trying to throw weak shade at a partner for distance.

I have literally never been wrong about an A50 read I was this sure of.

[Andante]

Yall, I don't think A50 should be the center of your SRs at the moment, I truly believe darby/gamma/VP/dun is a 3/4

[Almost50]

VOTE: D'Arby

Gamma sounds like he has accepted his fate as today's lim despite the fact we still have time and there is a counterwagon. I am still not fully convinced he is Town, but it could be that D'Arby is also Scum with a stronger role which explains why Gamma prefers his own lim over D'Arby's. Either that or Gamma is Town and believed his "issue" was worth pushing.

Anyway, this makes the wagons even @4 votes each, and I guess this gives us even more info once both slots have flipped.

You all have 48 hours to decide which of the two goes through.

P.S. I may change my mind later, as I believe I need to ISO both Iconeum and D'Arby at this point, but I'm not in the right mindset to concentrate enough at interactions and motivations behind every post, so will do it later today (I hope)

Hate this entire post!

Not nearly as I do right now.

[Toogeloo]

Seeing some Bingle things that make me go, "Eewww." Lots of IIoA, but there was a hypocop suggestion which is bad. Scum love hypocop because it narrows down who the cop is. Why would we need to hypocop with a 1 shot cop anyways? Any 1-shot cop is going to vehemently defend or attack their scan regardless, and I highly doubt a 1-shot holsters on Night 1 anyways.

[Toogeloo]

Scum know what they picked town to have, town don't know. Hypocopping is just going to circle jerk the town.

[Andante]

^Toogeloo scum

[Bingle]

Seeing some Bingle things that make me go, "Eewww." Lots of IIoA, but there was a hypocop suggestion which is bad. Scum love hypocop because it narrows down who the cop is. Why would we need to hypocop with a 1 shot cop anyways? Any 1-shot cop is going to vehemently defend or attack their scan regardless, and I highly

doubt a 1-shot holsters on Night 1 anyways.

That’s kind of the point?

Scum hunting for a one shot cop who has already hypoclaimed a result on N2 is like the best possible scenario for town.

[Andante]

Scum know what they picked town to have, town don't know. Hypocopping is just going to circle jerk the town.

I love how you have to repeat this to yourself to keep you from slipping up cause you know very well what we have

[Andante]

Toogeloo is replacing Dunn, that slot is red

[Andante]

Cop should check me, I know my reads are right. so clear andante= I yell at yall to vote in my 3/4

[Almost50]

^Toogeloo scum

1- Toog literally NEVER rolls Scum.
2- EVEN IF it was someone else, I don't see how these two posts point to a scummy mindset

[Andante]

*but, I must say, good work yall!!! I think town is definitely heading in the right direction!! I can't take credit for all of yall's work, I just definitely agree we're on the right track

[Andante]

^Toogeloo scum

1- Toog literally NEVER rolls Scum.
2- EVEN IF it was someone else, I don't see how these two posts point to a scummy mindset

I mean, I'm not going there today, I think Darby is a really good vote, Penguin put the vote here, I'm staying, I see no way in which Darby flips town, I do know I have a town in toog/dun, gamma, VP, darby, but unless the town in that acts towny, I'll just push them, don't really care. I'm pretty dang certain all scum is in this.

'Scum know what they picked town to have, town don't know. Hypocopping is just going to circle jerk the town."
That reads towny to you? interesting

[Datisi]

I have literally never been wrong about an A50 read I was this sure of.

i was hoping for a lesson on how to read a50 but okay

[Almost50]

'Scum know what they picked town to have, town don't know. Hypocopping is just going to circle jerk the town."
That reads towny to you? interesting

I didn't say it "sound towny". I said it's "not scummy". It's totally NAI. Scum do know what they picked for us, and if they didn't pick Cop in the first place we are simply deceiving each other with an additional chance of scum manipulating us.

Let's say you thought I was the Cop. I claim a guilty on X or a clear on Y. You'd go for X if I stated a guilty there and they will probably flip green. Now you either deduce I am not the Cop but still TR me (when in fact I am Scum), or you start suspecting me (when I'm actually Town). If it's a clear you're going to assume that Y is unlimmable for the next 2 days. SCUM will know though that there is NO COP to begin with and can use this to their advantage.

OR.. Scum did give us a Cop. They will know 4-5 slots are not it, and these can be pushed for the lim because it's easier to mislim them. Scum won't shoot the Cop on the very next night so as not to confirm their result. After all; it's the one and only result they can get. This still keeps us divided and guessing who the real cop is, if any at all.

Personally I would prefer for the Cop -if existent- to just keep quiet on D2 and play as a VT, and we can probably guess who they checked and what result they got if they flipped on N2, OR they explicitly claim on D2 so as to eliminate any confusion.

I could go on, but the main point is Toog spoke his mind and I know that's what he thinks about hypoclaiming anyway. It is thus NAI for him to state what he thinks of the idea the way he did.

[Bingle]

i was hoping for a lesson on how to read a50 but okay

Step one is to assume that there's 3 more layers to whatever you think would be reasonable. Step two is to be nuts enough to be able to tell the difference between when his layers are actually meant to confuse or meant to look like he's trying to confuse but not actually confuse. Step three is to realize that when he's actually actively trying to confuse the shit out of the thread he's town and when he's trying to look like he's trying to confuse the shit out of the thread he might be scum.

In this case, though, it's simpler. A50 outthought himself. He started at what he thought was a reasonable base and started constructing a web of paranoia and deceit without realizing that the center of the web was something not true of the setup. Scum him very rarely tries to fake making a fake pile of paranoia tinfoil on a faulty perception of the truth as the base and when he does it always has hints that it's unnatural.

[Bingle]

Note, this method doesn't generate reliable scumreads of A50, just reliable townreads.

[Datisi]

i was hoping for a lesson on how to read a50 but okay

Step one is to assume that there's 3 more layers to whatever you think would be reasonable. Step two is to be nuts enough to be able to tell the difference between when his layers are actually meant to confuse or meant to look like he's trying to confuse but not actually confuse. Step three is to realize that when he's actually actively trying to confuse the shit out of the thread he's town and when he's trying to look like he's trying to confuse the shit out of the thread he might be scum.

In this case, though, it's simpler. A50 outthought himself. He started at what he thought was a reasonable base and started constructing a web of paranoia and deceit without realizing that the center of the web was something not true of the setup. Scum him very rarely tries to fake making a fake pile of paranoia tinfoil on a faulty perception of the truth as the base and when he does it always has hints that it's unnatural.

[Enchant]

Cop should check me, I know my reads are right. so clear andante= I yell at yall to vote in my 3/4

Can we kill this?