Open 835: D6 | Songs About Ronald Reagan | Day 5

[T3]

And the 1 day 18 hours left is correct? Or is that without the extra 2 days added.

That is without the extra 2 days. I was originally going to add them after thanksgiving.

[numberQ]

[snip]

UNVOTE: numberQ
Ok, I guess that I need to reassess everything. Are you saying Roden and Galron are coordinating? (Or this an attempt to make me feel betrayed by Galron and vote him over you?) But then, I'll UNVOTE: numberQ.

Yeah, I was suggesting Roden and Galron could have coordinated trying to mislim Almost and then myself. I do think Almost is town, and I think my wagon has had very flimsy justification for it overall, which would imply scum activity.

Also I didn't read most of your meta research, sorry. It was just a bunch of no context quotes. If you or someone else points to specific things in this game that relate to meta, then I'll pay attention.

[T3]

Taly replaces redtea.

[Almost50]

I don't even know why numberQ is being wagoned. I also notice that Roden and Galron moved there after having been on me. What's the deal with this? And why is N_M already voting (rather than the usual "wait for the lol!hammer")?

Can I do literally anything this game without somebody complaining about it

Like A50 do you think we have any leads whatsoever? Can we genuinely scum read anyone when less than half the players are even posting and literally every single person under pressure just chooses to roll over and die instead of pushing their scum reads? RH9 just got here yet they've added more content than some players who've been here since Day 1.

All I can do is vote and see how people react because literally nothing else is working. I can't even question people without them shutting down or acting like scum hunting is inherently toxic and that I need to stop talking. It took me almost two entire weeks to figure out what the fuck Gamma's read on me was, and even then he just replaced out afterwards anyway so it didn't even matter.

First: I wasn't complaining. I was asking for an explanation, which you seem to have provided in your third paragraph. Maybe you could have typed that one first, but I understand sometimes one feels like letting out some of the mental pressure.

Second: I agree we don't have many leads. However, I still don't know WHY numberQ in particular. Why get the guy to E-1 "just to see what happens"?

Third: Based on #2, why won't you switch your vote to Egix at this time?

[Almost50]

Taly replaces redtea.

Now here's someone that will probably win the game for their team. Now which team is that?

[RH9]

Taly replaces redtea.

Now here's someone that will probably win the game for their team. Now which team is that?

Please be Town. Should go through Taly's meta some time.

[RH9]

[snip]

UNVOTE: numberQ
Ok, I guess that I need to reassess everything. Are you saying Roden and Galron are coordinating? (Or this an attempt to make me feel betrayed by Galron and vote him over you?) But then, I'll UNVOTE: numberQ.

Yeah, I was suggesting Roden and Galron could have coordinated trying to mislim Almost and then myself. I do think Almost is town, and I think my wagon has had very flimsy justification for it overall, which would imply scum activity.

Also I didn't read most of your meta research, sorry. It was just a bunch of no context quotes. If you or someone else points to specific things in this game that relate to meta, then I'll pay attention.

How do you feel about eliminating Galron, then? I feel better about Roden then Galron.
VOTE: Galron for coordinating the 'miselimination'.

[Almost50]

How do you feel about eliminating Galron, then? I feel better about Roden then Galron.
VOTE: Galron for coordinating the 'miselimination'.

Assuming Galron is Scum; why do you think he voted numberQ over Egix?

[numberQ]

Hmm. I don't know, I still like Egix for the lim. Their play has been scummier than Roden and Galron imo. Plus, them flipping scum will give us a lot more info than one of the other two flipping scum, at least in terms of lending validity to my theory. Maybe there are other associations that a Roden or Galron flip would shed light on that I'm not thinking of.

[Taly]

what is the best way to get into this game? page-by-page catchup, or diving headfirst and feeling the current as it runs?

[Taly]

Votecount:

• numberQ (4): Roden, Not_Mafia, RH9, Galron
  Egix96 (3): numberQ, Almost50, ssbm_Kyouko
  Not_Mafia (1): Egix96

I'm doing VC's by hand, please tell me if there are any errors.
Day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-11-28 18:35:01).
With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

numberq/Egix

, how do you feel about the others' wagon and potential lim?

[Galron]

Just jump on in Taly. You'll fall asleep reading.

[numberQ]

The conversation right now is mostly about the wagons that are currently happening, so probably necessary to at least read the current day. Beyond that, this game has honestly been pretty slow.

pedit: Well I'm voting Egix and have been SRing him since day 1. I think his lim will help build associations on Roden and/or Galron. Maaaybe RH9, though at the moment I think that's a flimsier connection. I've talked about this in previous posts this day.

[Galron]

How do you feel about eliminating Galron, then? I feel better about Roden then Galron.
VOTE: Galron for coordinating the 'miselimination'.

Assuming Galron is Scum; why do you think he voted numberQ over Egix?

I'd like to hear RH9's answer to this.

[Galron]

In fact

UNVOTE:

[RH9]

Votecount:

• numberQ (4): Roden, Not_Mafia, RH9, Galron
  Egix96 (3): numberQ, Almost50, ssbm_Kyouko
  Not_Mafia (1): Egix96

I'm doing VC's by hand, please tell me if there are any errors.
Day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-11-28 18:35:01).
With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

How do you feel about eliminating Galron, then? I feel better about Roden then Galron.
VOTE: Galron for coordinating the 'miselimination'.

Assuming Galron is Scum; why do you think he voted numberQ over Egix?

I'd like to hear RH9's answer to this.

Actually good question. VOTE: Egix96 for today. I guess that maybe it will make more sense if Galron, is Town.

[RH9]

To be fair, if Egix96 is Mafia, we can vote Roden next.

[RH9]

Here is Taly as Mafia in Slaughter Hour.

From his perspective as well as in general those 3 aren’t great so far
Peta’s kinda felt reactive
Prism’s desire to be acquitted was a little skeevy and his reaction to being sussed was to claim joke which while technically valid doesn’t negate what actual tangible game thoughts he displayed with his joke
Ydrasse trying to jump in on the pockit fun felt a little overwrought

it feels like ur trying to frame this more from like, the perspective of validating pooky instead of stuff /you/ believe in even though you're able 2 espouse these reasons

ok, do you think this post and the posts after it feel like genuine sorting or is it a scum "gotcha"

Upon some thought, I don't like

Gamma

or

Ydrasse

in that interaction.

Gamma

supports

Pooky's

scumreads, and while that's the basis of

"

Pooky

reads are too good to be true"

, but why does he go after

Pooky

and not the solve that he agrees with, first? Meaning, why doubtcast 3 players 285 only to say the 4th is supposedly the person who prompted this?

Peta

being like

"oh, that makes sense"

is also weird, lmao, especially since his vote is still on

Cakez

which I presume is serious. 283

But then again, why does

Ydrasse

sus a partner with almost no prompt?

Actually, why doesn't

Ydrasse

point a finger at

Pooky

for a solve that would be so opposed to her viewpoint of the game? So I can see the

"gotcha"

argument, but like the pressure she places on

Gamma

.

If I had tried to sway them from self-wagoning, I wonder how different 192 would've looked

I believe you're referring to my reaction to you. "Not trying to sway me" meant not trying to sway me you were town, not that you were trying to sway me to take any specific action. If you're referring to my presented motivation regarding wanting either unilateral action or out of the game entirely, I previously forced exactly that scenario on page 1 out of tilt, and later voted to concede the same game as town. I have alluded to similar as town.

My reacting with sheer disgust at bad reasoning and play is not an attractive quality of mine but is nothing new.

Oh. That makes more sense. OK, trust is being built here.

hi taly! can you explain your thoughts on pooky a bit better? i don't understand what you're saying in that paragraph

I'm trying to decide how genuine

Pooky's

trust in me is, especially that he has since made a solve and I'm merely dipping my toes into reading this game.

I want to lean in and townread but there's a lot that can be interpreted from his posts and potential motives.

There doesn't seem to be much in favor of people wanting to vote town for the electric chair, which perplexes the fuck out of me that

Prism

has as many votes as they do.

or you could give a spicy gut take about someone you haven't played with

Prism's

tilt didn't feel genuine at first glance. Not meaning to invalidate any of their sincere feelings, but they've come across as

"I'm gunning for x, but I won't explain y and z to you."

But this is likely playstyles clashing. It's giving me

kittybell

!scum powerwolf/openwolf flashbacks.

If I had tried to sway them from self-wagoning, I wonder how different 192 would've looked. Despite my critiques, I currently think they're likelier town, so the wagon doubly vexes me.

I want

Ulyana

to come in and give non-setup takes before I give an opinion.

Peta's

not caught my eye much, tbh.

i think you're towny but the last wall felt a little like your walls in student council, so it made me doubt my read a bit.

That's fair. I'm arguably at my weakest in large themes, but this is a dumb excuse.

The best way for you to solve me here is to continually pick my brain as you are now - that'll wake me up, or at least someone else.

This back and forth is painful to read through.

Gamma

, the majority of your replies on this page read as dismissive.

Man that is an

obsessive

level of trying to prove your mindset.

How am I “teaching you how to play scum” lmfao
This sort of narrative deflection does not look well on you.

So your issue with me boils down to how I’m interacting with certain slots
That’s just how I am, so this feels like at best you’ve taken my play style as a sure sign I’m scum. Sheesh.

And I don’t think I can really get everyone to vote you out over me but I beg everyone to not overlook how much machismo Prism is trying to exude in this interaction with me. She is the epitome of r/iamverybadass imo.

It seems like you're talking to other players about

Prism

but you're in a 1v1 with

Prism

directly.

so yea im just talking about Taly/Prism

Do you think my play today is a genuine scum attempt to gain mechanical power?

There are a million other motivations but I want to be direct here.

Do you think mine was?

I think you're scum that has bitten off more than you can chew, that you're flying by the seat of your pants and are spewing garbage in the hopes that you find something, and I am more than eager to punish you for it.

Don't punish the playerlist either. Your posts are informative but dense. I want a concise POV on your progression from

"give me the chair"

to

"eliminate

Gamma

"

.

p-edit

I'll take a step back and let others play the game, and potentially let Gamma breathe for a moment if he's town and prevent making this labyrinthine and inaccessible if he is scum.

To say I am unconvinced is an understatement though, I strongly want to flip him.

Thank you

Hey tally is in this game.

sorry taly

Hi! I presume you're an alt of a main who I've played with before? How many games?

yeah, that's everybody I've played with before

we played together in student council; you were part of a hydra with alisae i was tracy flick

I was the first player who brought attention to the fact it may not be a straightforward elim.

i mean, i asked someone if they thought it was just an elimination beforehand,

I want Ulyana to come in and give non-setup takes before I give an opinion.

anything specific you want my take on?

Gamma's

a slot getting a lot of attention, is it warranted?

Infinity

All of Pooky’s SRs feel valid
Typically if Pooky is town I end up thinking one or more of his SRs are bad

Peta/Prism/Ydrasse all seem like okay slots to sus rn

From his perspective as well as in general those 3 aren’t great so far
Peta’s kinda felt reactive
Prism’s desire to be acquitted was a little skeevy and his reaction to being sussed was to claim joke which while technically valid doesn’t negate what actual tangible game thoughts he displayed with his joke
Ydrasse trying to jump in on the pockit fun felt a little overwrought

It's too early in the game to be voting someone because 'I don't think any of their paid actor reads are bad and I usually do' when Gamma has other valid suspicions.

It may just be inoptimal play over paid actor play though, since the reasons for his other suspicions are reasonable.

Only post that stuck out so far from them. I don't think

Saber/Gamma

is S-S.

Gamma

is approaching

"at threat of getting the chair"

aggro and I don't think a scumbuddy willingly incriminates themselves to defend a less than optimistic cause. At least, that's my presumption of a typical player I have no experience with.

The interpretation that

Gamma

is actually town means that

Saber

might be deepwolfing. But that's too stretchy to assume at this stage, and in poor faith.

I think

Saber

weighing the possibilities behind the posts that rile people up about

Gamma

is in good-faith, and likeliest town.

TLDR

T/T or T/S.

Saber

likely town.

i still lean towards gamma being scum here. i think his pooky vote was nonsense, his tilting seemed a little scummy to me, i think several times he has thrown out votes in a weak attempt to distract from himself, and he's just acting strange overall, which makes him a good place for my vote right now as I have 0 other suspects. the fact that he's obviously losing the argument i don't care so much about -- i know that some players are just not as good at 1v1s and being one of those myself i can sympathize. but, i'm not sure i see a sense that he believes in the points he's making, which i do care about.

Gamma

has pinged me with his posts in the past pages, but I don't want to press a sore. I think his frustration and

"wtf"

-aura is NAI and genuine, even if the reason is not.

Ask me a question!

[RH9]

To be fair, Taly's current posting feels different to that of when he's Mafia.

[RH9]

The conversation right now is mostly about the wagons that are currently happening, so probably necessary to at least read the current day. Beyond that, this game has honestly been pretty slow.

pedit: Well I'm voting Egix and have been SRing him since day 1. I think his lim will help build associations on Roden and/or Galron. Maaaybe RH9, though at the moment I think that's a flimsier connection. I've talked about this in previous posts this day.

Hmm. I don't know, I still like Egix for the lim. Their play has been scummier than Roden and Galron imo. Plus, them flipping scum will give us a lot more info than one of the other two flipping scum, at least in terms of lending validity to my theory. Maybe there are other associations that a Roden or Galron flip would shed light on that I'm not thinking of.

Well, if Egix96 is Mafia, then are you suggesting that Roden and Galron aren't Town. Honestly, Galron feels more Towny now.

[Galron]

Umm.. Taly wasn't mafia in Slaughter Hour.

[RH9]

Umm.. Taly wasn't mafia in Slaughter Hour.

My bad.

[RH9]

Here is Taly as Town in Slaughter Hour.

From his perspective as well as in general those 3 aren’t great so far
Peta’s kinda felt reactive
Prism’s desire to be acquitted was a little skeevy and his reaction to being sussed was to claim joke which while technically valid doesn’t negate what actual tangible game thoughts he displayed with his joke
Ydrasse trying to jump in on the pockit fun felt a little overwrought

it feels like ur trying to frame this more from like, the perspective of validating pooky instead of stuff /you/ believe in even though you're able 2 espouse these reasons

ok, do you think this post and the posts after it feel like genuine sorting or is it a scum "gotcha"

Upon some thought, I don't like

Gamma

or

Ydrasse

in that interaction.

Gamma

supports

Pooky's

scumreads, and while that's the basis of

"

Pooky

reads are too good to be true"

, but why does he go after

Pooky

and not the solve that he agrees with, first? Meaning, why doubtcast 3 players 285 only to say the 4th is supposedly the person who prompted this?

Peta

being like

"oh, that makes sense"

is also weird, lmao, especially since his vote is still on

Cakez

which I presume is serious. 283

But then again, why does

Ydrasse

sus a partner with almost no prompt?

Actually, why doesn't

Ydrasse

point a finger at

Pooky

for a solve that would be so opposed to her viewpoint of the game? So I can see the

"gotcha"

argument, but like the pressure she places on

Gamma

.

If I had tried to sway them from self-wagoning, I wonder how different 192 would've looked

I believe you're referring to my reaction to you. "Not trying to sway me" meant not trying to sway me you were town, not that you were trying to sway me to take any specific action. If you're referring to my presented motivation regarding wanting either unilateral action or out of the game entirely, I previously forced exactly that scenario on page 1 out of tilt, and later voted to concede the same game as town. I have alluded to similar as town.

My reacting with sheer disgust at bad reasoning and play is not an attractive quality of mine but is nothing new.

Oh. That makes more sense. OK, trust is being built here.

hi taly! can you explain your thoughts on pooky a bit better? i don't understand what you're saying in that paragraph

I'm trying to decide how genuine

Pooky's

trust in me is, especially that he has since made a solve and I'm merely dipping my toes into reading this game.

I want to lean in and townread but there's a lot that can be interpreted from his posts and potential motives.

There doesn't seem to be much in favor of people wanting to vote town for the electric chair, which perplexes the fuck out of me that

Prism

has as many votes as they do.

or you could give a spicy gut take about someone you haven't played with

Prism's

tilt didn't feel genuine at first glance. Not meaning to invalidate any of their sincere feelings, but they've come across as

"I'm gunning for x, but I won't explain y and z to you."

But this is likely playstyles clashing. It's giving me

kittybell

!scum powerwolf/openwolf flashbacks.

If I had tried to sway them from self-wagoning, I wonder how different 192 would've looked. Despite my critiques, I currently think they're likelier town, so the wagon doubly vexes me.

I want

Ulyana

to come in and give non-setup takes before I give an opinion.

Peta's

not caught my eye much, tbh.

i think you're towny but the last wall felt a little like your walls in student council, so it made me doubt my read a bit.

That's fair. I'm arguably at my weakest in large themes, but this is a dumb excuse.

The best way for you to solve me here is to continually pick my brain as you are now - that'll wake me up, or at least someone else.

This back and forth is painful to read through.

Gamma

, the majority of your replies on this page read as dismissive.

Man that is an

obsessive

level of trying to prove your mindset.

How am I “teaching you how to play scum” lmfao
This sort of narrative deflection does not look well on you.

So your issue with me boils down to how I’m interacting with certain slots
That’s just how I am, so this feels like at best you’ve taken my play style as a sure sign I’m scum. Sheesh.

And I don’t think I can really get everyone to vote you out over me but I beg everyone to not overlook how much machismo Prism is trying to exude in this interaction with me. She is the epitome of r/iamverybadass imo.

It seems like you're talking to other players about

Prism

but you're in a 1v1 with

Prism

directly.

so yea im just talking about Taly/Prism

Do you think my play today is a genuine scum attempt to gain mechanical power?

There are a million other motivations but I want to be direct here.

Do you think mine was?

I think you're scum that has bitten off more than you can chew, that you're flying by the seat of your pants and are spewing garbage in the hopes that you find something, and I am more than eager to punish you for it.

Don't punish the playerlist either. Your posts are informative but dense. I want a concise POV on your progression from

"give me the chair"

to

"eliminate

Gamma

"

.

p-edit

I'll take a step back and let others play the game, and potentially let Gamma breathe for a moment if he's town and prevent making this labyrinthine and inaccessible if he is scum.

To say I am unconvinced is an understatement though, I strongly want to flip him.

Thank you

Hey tally is in this game.

sorry taly

Hi! I presume you're an alt of a main who I've played with before? How many games?

yeah, that's everybody I've played with before

we played together in student council; you were part of a hydra with alisae i was tracy flick

I was the first player who brought attention to the fact it may not be a straightforward elim.

i mean, i asked someone if they thought it was just an elimination beforehand,

I want Ulyana to come in and give non-setup takes before I give an opinion.

anything specific you want my take on?

Gamma's

a slot getting a lot of attention, is it warranted?

Infinity

All of Pooky’s SRs feel valid
Typically if Pooky is town I end up thinking one or more of his SRs are bad

Peta/Prism/Ydrasse all seem like okay slots to sus rn

From his perspective as well as in general those 3 aren’t great so far
Peta’s kinda felt reactive
Prism’s desire to be acquitted was a little skeevy and his reaction to being sussed was to claim joke which while technically valid doesn’t negate what actual tangible game thoughts he displayed with his joke
Ydrasse trying to jump in on the pockit fun felt a little overwrought

It's too early in the game to be voting someone because 'I don't think any of their paid actor reads are bad and I usually do' when Gamma has other valid suspicions.

It may just be inoptimal play over paid actor play though, since the reasons for his other suspicions are reasonable.

Only post that stuck out so far from them. I don't think

Saber/Gamma

is S-S.

Gamma

is approaching

"at threat of getting the chair"

aggro and I don't think a scumbuddy willingly incriminates themselves to defend a less than optimistic cause. At least, that's my presumption of a typical player I have no experience with.

The interpretation that

Gamma

is actually town means that

Saber

might be deepwolfing. But that's too stretchy to assume at this stage, and in poor faith.

I think

Saber

weighing the possibilities behind the posts that rile people up about

Gamma

is in good-faith, and likeliest town.

TLDR

T/T or T/S.

Saber

likely town.

i still lean towards gamma being scum here. i think his pooky vote was nonsense, his tilting seemed a little scummy to me, i think several times he has thrown out votes in a weak attempt to distract from himself, and he's just acting strange overall, which makes him a good place for my vote right now as I have 0 other suspects. the fact that he's obviously losing the argument i don't care so much about -- i know that some players are just not as good at 1v1s and being one of those myself i can sympathize. but, i'm not sure i see a sense that he believes in the points he's making, which i do care about.

Gamma

has pinged me with his posts in the past pages, but I don't want to press a sore. I think his frustration and

"wtf"

-aura is NAI and genuine, even if the reason is not.

Ask me a question!

EBWOP

Sorry, Taly. I first mix up Roden with Prism and Wisdom and now I confused you with Titus.

[Egix96]

Hmm. I don't know, I still like Egix for the lim. Their play has been scummier than Roden and Galron imo. Plus, them flipping scum will give us a lot more info than one of the other two flipping scum, at least in terms of lending validity to my theory. Maybe there are other associations that a Roden or Galron flip would shed light on that I'm not thinking of.

You do realise that if I were scum, it would have been +ev for me to lolhammer you? Sure, that would have been outing, but it ensures you would've died before me.

numberq/Egix

, how do you feel about the others' wagon and potential lim?

I doubt number flips scum here. Roden's logic for voting him was flawed as has already been mentioned, so it astounds me that three people just silently followed it. (No, saying "sure" doesn't count.)

The play here is to follow my vote because otherwise I don't think there's any chance we hit scum.

[RH9]

This is Taly as Mafia (for real, I didn't mistake Taly for Titus again) in Micro 1031.

We could take a holistic approach to this, especially D1.

We increase our odds of being viewed as T/T universally who vibe if we try to actually solve for the games we are not scum in.

Basically, we try to minimize our cognitive bias of knowing each other's alignment in 1 game, by focusing on the other 2 games.

This is harder and likely to harm us the longer we take this approach, but the mechanics of D1 protect us as it's less clear why someone votes the way they do, since one vote is for all games.

The only restriction is that we can't even mention or hint that we're in a PT, since 2 of my 3 lovers are claimed, and 3 of yours are.

What are your first impressions of your lovers?

You seem to pay attention to detail!

All right, I'll make 6 statements of my own just to make this a little more fun.

1. Cheeky

is scum in at least one game.

2. Not_Mafia

and

Amy

are not S/S in any game.

3.

I am not voting any of my lovers this phase.

4.

Math is a distraction.

5.

Surprised you questioned giving info about lovers out but still give it out anyway,

Cheeky

.

6.

Wait, I think you are a hydra? Haha, that's not a statement, but this is.

Oh, and by the way...

The best mods have a Jingle.

Toucans can be parrots

There are a surprising amount of answers to the question "are toucans parrots?"

Absolutely.

But I can definitely be a live test run for that theory.

Make 3 statements about the game and see how many I sheep.

Make 6 and I will sheep at least one.

I,

Taly

th

e MO

THERF

UCKIN

G TOU

CAN

, am here to conquer the hearts of many who both adore and oppose me!

My lovers are as follows:

Queen

,

Amy Dunne

, and

miscellaneous

. None of them will be harmed on my watch.

The reason why one name is blurred is because they haven't confessed personally that I am their lover in a game. I will respect their silence as a "no" until I confirm in PT what they want. The process may be long and arduous, since we've only communicated through anime GIFs in it and I don't foresee an altering trajectory right now.

Now, for a poem:

Roses are red

,

Violets are blue

,

I shall spill my foes blood
And drink it too