Mini 2250: Role-A-Pair Mafia (Game Over)

[Star Shape]

This is the kind of stuff that doesn't make sense to me from green.

1. You are pushing me for what seems to be a single line in a single post that can be interpreted as scum AtE. It's very much pulling at straws

2. If me and heart are s/s, why would I ever hop off when they still have a good chance of being eliminated today? It would be objectively better to stay on to try and gain towncred. Instead they try to discredit my concerns about their slot because "oh they are just jumping off their bus of my other scumread" It's very obviously not being aware of the gamestate because they aren't interested in actually sorting.

I had to ask twice for the reasoning for their scumread on me TWICE before they actually provided it, and what they provided was a single extremely small case they seem to think has huge ramifications.
Does anyone not actively playing the game build cases like that? Would anyone actually playing the game build cases like that? It feels so obviously artificial at this point.

I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt, but their recent play has been absolutely abysmal if they are town. At this point I would gladiate them if I could.



As for why they aren't scum with heart, I get the impression their case on heart is as artificial as the one on me, and their isn't a reason to artifically push a teammate.

I like this.

[Star Shape]

I have trouble believing it's artificial from Green!scum because he pushed at you ~12m after replace in.

IMO that's far too short a time for someone to rep in, see they are scum, then scan the thread for things to attack with.

The belief that you are mafia because of that post should probably have been formed prior to replacing in, making it a belief Green had prior to receiving his role pm....

I guess it's possible he's a very daring scumbag who has no hesitation about getting into it aggressively right off the bat but I don't often see that.


I am wondering do you have any reason to townread Heart? I don't think there was anything in his iso that seemed townie and Circle does make a good case that he does seem to be just coasting with making some very noncommital comments.

I also really like this.

Hmmm

[Star Shape]

2. If me and heart are s/s, why would I ever hop off when they still have a good chance of being eliminated today? It would be objectively better to stay on to try and gain towncred. Instead they try to discredit my concerns about their slot because "oh they are just jumping off their bus of my other scumread" It's very obviously not being aware of the gamestate because they aren't interested in actually sorting.

thinking more about this and I think its kind of disingenous.

Because I don't really see why town!red sheeps circle's vote on heart and then switches off before heart can even respond to the pressure on him...

also if you read the page this vote flip is on, its quite clear what the motive would be for the vote switch...

Orange votes for Green,

Penta says he might vote for green

Arrow expresses doubt about green

purple says "oh heart isnt a consensus tr?"

red is seeing momentum/opinion change on heart wagon and seems to be taking oppurtunity to try to change direction.. feels v convenient based on thread movement - not actual read change.

I disagree, tho I do think ur town. I see your WIFOM and raise you more WIFOM.

What does red get out of setting themselves up by claiming exactly what they’re doing as scum? This is not a pure this is a bad scum game argument but this was a direct response to Green. It’s less that heart has yet to make a claim, and more so Red didn’t like how Green responded. Red doesn’t feel calculated and more so ready to move on

[Star Shape]

That's who wanted it anyway for whatever reason. If Star is town and everyone wants to lim me, should just delay whatever our power is.

I’m a new star bb

[Star Shape]

Forgot about this game.

I assume everyone's paired since we're voting. Why am I the leading wagon, and I guess I need to get the PT pm from the mod.

Ugh, why would you forget about this game with 33 posts in it? It just sounds like a blatant lie.

Why would you even say that.

It's an alt game, and so I don't alt-slip I have it on a browswer I hardly ever use.

Huh.

It's an alt game, but it's fairly active in the subforum... even if you're not on your alt surely you see the names of people posting?

I open my bookmarks and play from there. This isn't in my bookmarks on my main duh.

*Blinks.*

Okay. I... guess that's fair. I didn't know people do that.

If it means anything I do this too

Chrome for my main games and im playing this on fire fox

[Star Shape]

So I guess asking Star who they are leaning to delay should figure into this calculus of who to lim

I’m not voting for anyone unless there’s a majority will for me to do so

[Color Purple]

Forgot about this game.

I assume everyone's paired since we're voting. Why am I the leading wagon, and I guess I need to get the PT pm from the mod.

Ugh, why would you forget about this game with 33 posts in it? It just sounds like a blatant lie.

Why would you even say that.

It's an alt game, and so I don't alt-slip I have it on a browswer I hardly ever use.

Huh.

It's an alt game, but it's fairly active in the subforum... even if you're not on your alt surely you see the names of people posting?

I open my bookmarks and play from there. This isn't in my bookmarks on my main duh.

*Blinks.*

Okay. I... guess that's fair. I didn't know people do that.

If it means anything I do this too

Chrome for my main games and im playing this on fire fox

Hey. Me too. What a coincidence.

[Star Shape]

Star sounds a lot more townie that their predecessor, but I'm wary of pocket.

An interesting take. I'll be frank that my issues with Star lie pretty squarely in how lacking the new player is in charisma, so if you can provide a fair and objective town case for him I will probably take it to heart (no pun intended).

Why do you keep taking pot shots at me like move on please

[Color Purple]

Liking Star's solving. I trust Star to use the Delay to Town's benefit.

[Star Shape]

So I see some slight inconsistencies here. Green has Yellow, Diamond, Star as “could go either way” but later states that they “believe all unpaired folks are town and then wrongly shades red by incorrectly implying his replace out was actually voluntary when it clearly wasn’t.

So I’m torn on this because I dislike both but for different reasons, not really impressed with Star either. Diamond and Yellow are nulls am not currently worried about anyone else.

I’m thinking that it’s probably unusual for scum to right out of the gate try to put such a huge target on their back when it’s safer to not make waves.

I think a problem that only just clicked for me on seeing your post is that Green asserts that essentially, two out of three of the people in his "could go either way pile" are town to him, but never really cares to reconcile what that means for the remainder? Having two people as scum does not a solve make.

Yes, that is the one thing that continues to bother me the most about green, the constant contradictions. I think Heart’s recent posting is good and shows a nuanced view of the game and can see no agenda behind their posting. They feel really genuine to me with their recent posts.

So I don’t have to do a defense then, right?

[Star Shape]

Hey. Me too. What a coincidence.

Yooooooo

[Star Shape]

Orange dipped a little in my reads.
But I should probably focus on the lurkers instead.
Then again, the lurkers replaced out, so maybe I should not.

Why did orange dip?

[Star Shape]

Anywho, sorry for the wall but I’m more caught up.

Arrow looks more town and Green is more scum so

VOTE: Green

Again, I’m genuinely impartial on who should be delayed if at all.

[Pentagon Shape]

So I see some slight inconsistencies here. Green has Yellow, Diamond, Star as “could go either way” but later states that they “believe all unpaired folks are town and then wrongly shades red by incorrectly implying his replace out was actually voluntary when it clearly wasn’t.

So I’m torn on this because I dislike both but for different reasons, not really impressed with Star either. Diamond and Yellow are nulls am not currently worried about anyone else.

I’m thinking that it’s probably unusual for scum to right out of the gate try to put such a huge target on their back when it’s safer to not make waves.

I think a problem that only just clicked for me on seeing your post is that Green asserts that essentially, two out of three of the people in his "could go either way pile" are town to him, but never really cares to reconcile what that means for the remainder? Having two people as scum does not a solve make.

Yes, that is the one thing that continues to bother me the most about green, the constant contradictions. I think Heart’s recent posting is good and shows a nuanced view of the game and can see no agenda behind their posting. They feel really genuine to me with their recent posts.

So I don’t have to do a defense then, right?

No but I didn’t read anything into their posting to begin with. Only thing I wondered about was the tvs thing but I think Green was really reaching with that.

[Pentagon Shape]

I swear to ~Deity~ if one me person asks about the fucking trajectory "issues" when my single focus since replacing in is to murder the shit out of Heart and Red.

Red-1's posting that was IMO manipulative being an alt-slip doesn't mean it was intended as one, so you take it as if it had been posted as red directly, and that was a tug at emotion, is the last line:

The reason I thought Diamond TMI'd was because as far as I know, we don't know what our powers or modifiers are. So when he claimed that Mafia would have a Roleblock, I assumed he was talking about one of their powers and not the delay action (which isn't a Roleblock).

Shortly after, Pentagon states he didn't like Diamond, which is why I considered Pentagon a good spot to pair with.

I haven't really been trying to scum hunt, so much as figure out who would be my ideal partner.

To me this reads as trying to make you (yes you, the person behind the screen) feel sorry for not liking their approach to the game.

Like this take really doesn’t even make sense.

[Pentagon Shape]

I mean hell the mod gave you two freebies by making role PM color match account name and here you are still screwing up!

Reading is clearly too hard for some of you.

Everyone else
Literal ocean trench
Red
Smaller gap
Heart

I'm at least a little shocked nobody else sees the glaring perspective slip from heart....

So again, why is Green pushing Heart?

[penguin_alien]

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 players for an elimination vote.

Vote Count 1.03:

Heart Shape (4): Color Green, Color Blue, Diamond Shape, Arrow Shape
Color Green (3): Color Orange, Color Red, Star Shape

Not voting (6): Color Yellow, Color Purple, Heart Shape, Pentagon Shape, Triangle Shape, Circle Shape

Diamond Shape is V/LA through 11/28

Day One ends in (expired on 2021-11-30 16:29:39)

[Arrow Shape]

Orange dipped a little in my reads.
But I should probably focus on the lurkers instead.
Then again, the lurkers replaced out, so maybe I should not.

Why did orange dip?

Gut. Based off of a post that was sort of robotic.
I would like more Heart votes. I'm not sure I can ever forgive them for posting all of those posts about mechanics after being pressured by Green.

[Arrow Shape]

Blue and Purple have reached escape velocity for me.
Town binned. Well played if scum. May revisit later, but if they keep posting like this, it won't be for awhile.

[Arrow Shape]

I'm satisfied with 3 probable town reads day 1.
As long as we do a high information lim, I don't really have an issue with killing anybody else.
I don't really like the pushes on green though. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth because of how literal minded player's approaches have been to them.
They entered the game talking about pacing and the game state and they're doing that, shit pushes or not. It's not like this isn't RVS, a bunch of serious rebuttals doesn't really make me feel better.

[Arrow Shape]

I'll care more what nonsense people spout when contradictions become a scum tell. I should probably read the game in more depth though. I'm overdue for another, but limited time. So I guess these posts are it for now.

Happy thanksgiving

[Color Orange]

Green saying he thinks Heart + Red are both mafia

and then Heart/Red both saying that each other are mafia but not really voting for each other.

Is a very strange look.

Put yourself in Red/Heart's shoes.

Usually when someone accuses you of being mafia with OTHER PERSON.

And that OTHER PERSON is also very scummy to you...

You'd think you'd be pretty eager to push that OTHER PERSON.

Instead Heart/Red just throw shade at each other but no votes and seem to be angling for voting out someone else.

Makes me think Green is correct about his SRs.

Green also SRed Yellow. Though, I would consider that having two correct SRs never gives you towncred. So, if anybody ever SRs Green, I would like them to remember that what Green is doing is quite brave and obvtown. I don't really SR Red atm but you're making me think about it in relation to the interactions between Red and Heart.

Actually, imagine if Green just solved the game. That would be worrying though.

Out of Green's solve, Yellow is the only one I might consider voting currently. But a scum flip from Yellow would lend credence to Green's reads I think.

[Color Green]

How many times do I have to re-iterate that I entered the game hating heart and red, and STILL hate heart and red, will it take to make people stop stating they know my mentality better than I do?

Like Talokfuckingchrist, Pentagon is here asking questions LITERALLY answered in my ISO. Why is it shocking that I can have two scumreads, and a wagon is already joined and viable on one of them so I vote it AND for bonus it's more than my scumread on red was.

(Although Blue nailed it, we're in "chainsaw cross-attack Green" territory from two scum here)

[Color Orange]

The way you expressed your desire to murder Heart initially doesn't make sense to me. Calling for someone to "never make endgame" seems more like you find them not towny but also not a pressing elimination.

Did you ever respond to this, Green?

[Color Green]

The way you expressed your desire to murder Heart initially doesn't make sense to me. Calling for someone to "never make endgame" seems more like you find them not towny but also not a pressing elimination.

Did you ever respond to this, Green?

Answering this in specific detail would be practically main-claiming, but please chalk it up to you misreading my phrasing. "Never make endgame" to me means "murder it and if people won't let me murder it, at least have them agree to not let it to endgame"